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areyouserious2010
reply to post by GrantedBail
Witnesses. Not Police Officers. Witnesses said the police ordered him to drop the gun before they shot.
GrantedBail
Anonymous is demanding that the Santa Rosa Police Department release the names of the shooters. They have discovered the names and identities of the officers that shot this boy for carrying a toy assault rifle. They have given the department 48 hours to release the information or they will.
The last article I read on the case the police were holding up an airsoft gun next to a legit AK showing how much they looked alike,
onequestion
Does anyone know if the kid was facing them?
Does anyone know if the kid was acting in a threatening manner?
Those are the two top questions that need to be answered.
The deputy that shot the kid is a firearms expert, trains officers on the use of weapons, and has posted in threads where the topic has been what to do if you shoot an unarmed person, and the advice given was to claim you were in fear of your life and of others....
The sheriff's deputy who shot dead a 13-year-old boy carrying a toy gun last week has been identified as a hunter, war veteran and firearms enthusiast who once urged other officers to turn on the 'mean gene' if they found themselves in 'the kill zone.'
Officials confirmed on Monday Erick Gelhaus, 48, was the Sonoma County sheriff's deputy who mistook Andy Lopez's fake AK-47 for a real rifle before he fatally shot the teen last Tuesday just outside Santa Rosa.
The deputy, who has received death threats after the incident that sparked outrage in the California community, has broad experience with guns and regularly contributed to law enforcement magazines and online forums, warning his comrades that they may be required to use lethal force to stay safe.
According to his online profiles, Gelhaus served as an infantry squad leader in Iraq and is an avid hunter in North America as well as Africa.
...But in a 2008 article for monthly policing and gun rights magazine, S.W.A.T., he gave other officers advice on what to do if the possibility arises.
'Today is the day you may need to kill someone in order to go home,' he wrote. 'If you cannot turn on the 'mean gene' for yourself, who will? If you find yourself in an ambush, in the kill zone, you need to turn on that mean gene.'
He went on: 'Taking some kind of action - any kind of action - is critical. If you shut down (physically, psychologically, or both) and stay in the kill zone, bad things will happen to you. You must take some kind of action.'
Source
Last year I fought an AW case in Sonoma County and won. They tried to get a felony conviction for an off list lower with a bullet button (ten round mag inserted, had to show the officers how to remove it) and other charges for having high cap mags in the vehicle.
I know for a fact that the D.A. and the Sonoma S.O. are familiar with bullet buttons and AW identification because I taught them. It cost me about 7 thousand dollars out of pocket but I won and they dropped all charges. They also returned all of my property.
That S.O. has a guy named Eric Gelhouse (sp?) that was listed as their "Firearms Expert". He looked at my rifle and called it an unregistered AW. That was what started my nightmare. I provided my lawyer and the D.A. with a copy of the DOJ AW ID guide. I had pages relating to my rifle and magazines tabbed, and sentences highlighted. I also provided them with a copy of the Sacramento P.D. training bulletin about AW's and bullet buttons.
Then, right there in front of the judge, in a moment I will never forget as long as I live, the DA stood there and said "Yeah so he had one of those button things on the gun but that doesn't matter he had high cap mags in the vehicle and they would have been easy to load".
That's when they offered me a deal of 1 year probation, no jail time, and they keep the rifle and my Kimber 1911. I said no deal let's please just hurry up and go to trial, then they dropped the charges completely and returned my property.
The point is that I know this particular county SO and DA know about off list lowers, high cap mags and bullet buttons.
I would be happy to do whatever I can to help with this case by testifying and or providing the CGF with any information from my case that might be helpful.
Marc
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Writing under his real name on the forum The Firing Line, Gelhaus wrote under a thread entitled "He's got a gun! ... A bb gun..." that: It's going to come down to YOUR ability to articulate to law enforcement and very likely the Court that you were in fear of death or serious bodily injury. I think we keep coming back to this, articulation -- your ability to explain why -- will be quite significant.
Read more at: www.heavy.com...
Last year I fought an AW case in Sonoma County and won. They tried to get a felony conviction for an off list lower with a bullet button (ten round mag inserted, had to show the officers how to remove it) and other charges for having high cap mags in the vehicle.
I know for a fact that the D.A. and the Sonoma S.O. are familiar with bullet buttons and AW identification because I taught them. It cost me about 7 thousand dollars out of pocket but I won and they dropped all charges. They also returned all of my property.
That S.O. has a guy named Eric Gelhouse (sp?) that was listed as their "Firearms Expert". He looked at my rifle and called it an unregistered AW. That was what started my nightmare. I provided my lawyer and the D.A. with a copy of the DOJ AW ID guide. I had pages relating to my rifle and magazines tabbed, and sentences highlighted. I also provided them with a copy of the Sacramento P.D. training bulletin about AW's and bullet buttons.
Then, right there in front of the judge, in a moment I will never forget as long as I live, the DA stood there and said "Yeah so he had one of those button things on the gun but that doesn't matter he had high cap mags in the vehicle and they would have been easy to load".
That's when they offered me a deal of 1 year probation, no jail time, and they keep the rifle and my Kimber 1911. I said no deal let's please just hurry up and go to trial, then they dropped the charges completely and returned my property.
The point is that I know this particular county SO and DA know about off list lowers, high cap mags and bullet buttons.
I would be happy to do whatever I can to help with this case by testifying and or providing the CGF with any information from my case that might be helpful.
Marc
Source
ThePeaceMakerHowever put yourself in the cops shoes, you've just shot a 13 year old boy you are not exactly going to be over the moon with it. You've got to live the rest of your life remembering that day you shot a boy with a toy gun.
boymonkey74
reply to post by GrantedBail
I would like to know If the toy gun had one...and If so why didn't the cops see it?
Anyhow even If the cops names are given what are anonymous going to do?
I just hope If found that the cops acted disproportionately they get what is coming to them.
XionZap
boymonkey74
reply to post by GrantedBail
I would like to know If the toy gun had one...and If so why didn't the cops see it?
Anyhow even If the cops names are given what are anonymous going to do?
I just hope If found that the cops acted disproportionately they get what is coming to them.
Father stated that the kids gun got dropped and it had broken off.
GrantedBail
reply to post by boncho
You are correct. I misspoke. I could have sworn I read that the gun did a couple of days ago. The gun did not have an orange tip:
Andy was carrying the gun in his left hand at his side as he was walking, Henry said. At a news conference Wednesday afternoon, Henry displayed the gun Andy was carrying alongside a real AK-47 assault rifle.
Andy’s gun had a thinner barrel that was 6 to 8 inches shorter than the real rifle and was colored differently but was missing the orange plastic tip that typical differentiates a fake gun from a real one.
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They told the kid to drop it and at least two witness claim Deputy Erick Gelhaus, 48 fired without giving the kid time to drop it.
The cops did not identify themselves as cops!
The gun was dropped and the front of the cheap plastic toy broke the father claimed. The front sight is missing from the gun, without it you could not really aim the gun!