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posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 09:33 AM
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Looking for unequvocated expression of Allahs love.
for all of mankind from the Quran .
Please add them here I cant find them




posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 09:56 AM
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Argh, I wish I was at my home PC right now, I'd give you the link to a great site.

It has full transcriptions of a few versions of the bible, book of mormon, the Q'ran, the Torah, and even the Talmud. It's a well of info...I'll dig, and let you know in a bit.



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 09:57 AM
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posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 10:20 AM
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Looking for unequvocated expression of Allahs love.
for all of mankind from the Quran .

Please add them here I cant find them



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 10:33 AM
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I uhhh...hope you're not holding your breath there, KAOS.



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 10:43 AM
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can i ask why?

what difference would it make?



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 11:11 AM
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If Islam is such a peaceful religion, surely there must be passages contained in his book of revelations (the Qur'an) professing his love for all humanity.



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by Ibn Iblis
If Islam is such a peaceful religion, surely there must be passages contained in his book of revelations (the Qur'an) professing his love for all humanity.


Do you even know which way to read the Quran?



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 11:16 AM
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Hey KAOSKTRL,

www.just.../



Seriously now, I'll get back to you on this one, in a few hours when I finish work.



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by Ibn Iblis
If Islam is such a peaceful religion, surely there must be passages contained in his book of revelations (the Qur'an) professing his love for all humanity.


who said it was peaceful?



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 11:37 AM
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If Islam is such a peaceful religion, surely there must be passages contained in his book of revelations (the Qur'an) professing his love for all humanity.


Providing said humanity worships Allah....sure...otherwise, it professes the wholesale slaughter of infidels.

Of course, the Old Testament is pretty much in the same vein.

Luckily, just as there are Christians who don't believe in slaughtering those who don't believe, there are also plenty of Muslims who also don't believe in it (Sunni)



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by sal88
who said it was peaceful?


The president, for one. Lots of people. Too many people.

Also, Gazrok, it is my understanding that the difference between Sunni and Shi'ite Islam is the importance given to the descendants of Muhammad's companions (the four "rightly-guided" caliphs) as opposed to the direct descendents of Muhammad himself. The Sunnis believed Muhammad's companions were his rightful successors; the Shi'as his direct descendents.
    In Islam, political disagreements have usually manifested themselves as religious disagreements; the earliest example of this is that 30 years after Muhammed's death, the Islamic community plunged into a civil war that gave rise to three sects. One proximal cause of this first civil war was that the Muslims of Iraq and Egypt resented the power of the third Caliph and his governors; another cause was business rivalries between factions of the mercantile aristocracy. After the Caliph was murdered, war broke out in full force between different groups, each fighting for power. The war ended with a new dynasty of Caliphs who ruled from Damascus.

    Two groups of believers broke off from the main fold of Muslims at this time, and the core group of Muslims were later to be known as Sunnis. They hold themselves as the followers of the sunna (practice) of the prophet Muhammad as related by his companions (the sahaba). Sunnis also maintain that the Islamic community (ummah) as a whole will always be guided. They were willing to recognize the authority of the Caliphs, who maintained rule by law and persuasion, and by force if necessary. The Sunnis became the largest division of Islam.

    The two smaller groups also were created from this schism were the Shi'ites and the Kharijites (Khawarij), also known as the seceders. The Shi'ites believed that the only legitimate leadership rested in the lineage of Muhammed's cousin and son-in-law, 'Ali. The Shi'ites believed that the rest of the Muslim community committed a grave error by electing Abu Bakr and his two successors as leaders.
en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 16-11-2004 by Ibn Iblis]



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 01:02 PM
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Ok, so first an explanation.
The way God is described in Qur'an is more like the God in Old Testament, kind and loving if you follow the rules, but damn nasty if you're not. One could say it is conditional love.
Jesus is seen in Islam, as in Christianity, as tree-hugging hippie, to put it that way, a kind loving person, forgiving, non-violent, etc, etc.
Christians have equaled him with God, adding the Holy Spirit into it as a part of trinity, so God is then perceived through Jesus, although it is the same Yahweh of the Old Testament who destroyed cities, nations, who transgress and at some point flooded the whole world.

So, in short, Allah=Yahweh.

Here are a few quotes:

[19:96] Surely, those who believe and lead a righteous life, the Most Gracious will shower them with love.

[3:76] Indeed, those who fulfill their obligations and lead a righteous life, GOD loves the righteous.

[3:134] who give to charity during the good times, as well as the bad times. They are suppressors of anger, and pardoners of the people. GOD loves the charitable.

[3:148] Consequently, GOD granted them the rewards of this world, and the better rewards of the Hereafter. GOD loves the good doers.

[5:93] Those who believe and lead a righteous life bear no guilt by eating any food, so long as they observe the commandments, believe and lead a righteous life, then maintain their piety and faith, and continue to observe piety and righteousness. GOD loves the righteous.

[60:8] GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable

And so on.
I think you get the point.
If you are a serial killer, then Allah doesn't love you. Or Yahweh, whatever you want to call him, since you violated the "thy shall not kill" commandment.



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Ibn Iblis

Originally posted by sal88
who said it was peaceful?


The president, for one. Lots of people. Too many people.


well then there must be at the very least a small amount of truth in that idea then.
But don't go thinking that Islam teaches all this cr*p about agape love, its slightly more practical than that. After all, the initial conception of Christianity is that it teaches "love thy neighbor" etc (New testament anyway), but Jesus actually said "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." matthew 10:34



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 02:31 PM
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Christianity does NOT teach 'love thy neighbor'. Matthew:
    5:43Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy: 5:44but I say unto you, love your enemies, and pray for them that persecute you; 5:45that ye may be sons of your Father who is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sendeth rain on the just and the unjust. 5:46For if ye love them that love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 5:47And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the Gentiles the same? 5:48Ye therefore shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 03:02 PM
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Looking for unequvocated expression of Allahs love.
for all of mankind from the Quran .
Please add them here I cant find them



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by sal88

Originally posted by Ibn Iblis

Originally posted by sal88
who said it was peaceful?


The president, for one. Lots of people. Too many people.


well then there must be at the very least a small amount of truth in that idea then.
But don't go thinking that Islam teaches all this cr*p about agape love, its slightly more practical than that. After all, the initial conception of Christianity is that it teaches "love thy neighbor" etc (New testament anyway), but Jesus actually said "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." matthew 10:34

Thank you for more out of context posting .
That would be the the sword of truth.



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 05:32 PM
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Your assertion that Allah =Yahweh is idiotic.‎
Yahweh is trustworthy and always reliable.‎
Allah promises to deceive who he chooses. ‎



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 05:43 PM
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God's love for Man (20 times)

Here we find a few categories of individuals who are recipients of God's love because of their deeds. This love is conditional - as perhaps it ought to be.

In the Abrahamic religions there is more hate and violence reflected as being part of the human condition than there is love. And then the hate and violence can be justified any which way you want to twist the "holy" words.

Back to topic...

God loves those who do good, the muhasneen or those who do good deeds [hasanats]. In some contexts, it implies giving of one's money or goods for Allah's cause.

2:195 And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for Allah loveth [hubb] those who do good. [al-muhasneen]

3:134 Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men; -- for Allah loves [hubb] those who do good; -- [al-muhasaneen]

3:148 And Allah gave them a reward in this world, and the excellent reward of the Hereafter. For Allah loveth [hubb] those who do good. [al-muhasaneen]

5:14 But because of their breach of their Covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard: They change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the Message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them -- barring a few -- ever bent on [new] deceits: But forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): For Allah loveth [hubb] those who are kind. [al-muhasaneen]

5:96 On those who believe and do deeds of righteousness there is no blame for what they ate (in the past), when they guard themselves from evil, and believe, and do deeds of righteousness, -- (or) again, guard themselves from evil and believe, -- (or) again, guard themselves from evil and do good. For Allah loveth [hubb] those who do good. [al-muhasaneen]

God loves the pure and clean:

2:222 They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves [hubb] those who keep themselves pure and clean. [al-mutdhreen]
9:108 Never stand thou forth therein. There is a mosque whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety; it is more worthy of thy standing forth [for prayer] therein. In it are men who love to be purified; and Allah loveth [hubb] those who make themselves pure. [al-mutadhreen]

God loves those who are righteous:

3:76 Nay. -- Those that keep their plighted faith and act aright, -- verily Allah loves [hubb] those who act aright. [al-mutaqeen]
9:4 (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfill your engagements with them to the end of their term: For Allah loveth [hubb] the righteous. [al-mutaqeen]

9:7 How can there be a league, before Allah and His Apostle, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the Sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: For Allah doth love [hubb] the righteous. [al-mutaqeen]

19:96 On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, will (Allah) Most Gracious bestow love. [arrahman wdan] [Interpretive insert, the thought is that God will bestow benevolence]

God loves those who are just and judge rightly:

5:45 (They are fond of) listening to falsehood, of devouring anything forbidden. If they do come to thee, either judge between them, or decline to interfere. If thou decline, they cannot hurt thee in the least. If thou judge, judge in equity between them. For Allah loveth [hubb] those who judge in equity. [al-muqasiteen]

49:9 If two parties among the Believers fall into a quarrel, make ye peace between them: But if one of them transgresses beyond bounds against the other, then fight ye (all) against the one that transgresses until it complies with the command of Allah; but if it complies, then make peace between them with justice, and be fair: For Allah loves [hubb] those who are fair (and just). [al-muqasiteen]

60:8 Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for [your] Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: For Allah loveth [hubb] those who are just [al-muqasiteen]

God loves those who trust Him:

3:159 It is part of the Mercy of Allah that thou dost deal gently with them. Wert thou severe or harsh hearted, they would have broken away from about thee: So pass over (their faults), and ask for (Allah's) forgiveness for them; and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then, when thou hast taken a decision, put thy trust in Allah. For Allah loves [hubb] those who put their trust (in Him). [al-mutawakileen]

God loves the persevering or patient:

3:146 How many of the Prophets fought (in Allah's way), and with them [fought] large bands of godly men? But they never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's way, nor did they weaken [in will] nor give in. And Allah loves [hubb] those who are firm and steadfast. [as-sabreen]

God loves those who love Him and follow the Prophet:

3:31 Say: "If ye do love [hubb] Allah, follow me: Allah will love [ihbbikum] you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

God Himself will produce a people He will love:

5:57 O ye who believe! If any from among you turn back from his Faith, soon will Allah produce a people whom He will love [hubb] as they will love [hubb] Him, -- Lowly with the Believers, Mighty against the Rejecters, Fighting in the Way of Allah, and never afraid of the reproaches of such as find fault. That is the Grace of Allah, which He will bestow on whom He pleaseth. And Allah encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things.

God loves those who fight in His cause:

61:4 Truly Allah loves [hubb] those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.



So, if you want to be a statue or automaton, go to it.... same applies to Christian soldiers too.

(I think it's odd that the Qu'ran has the same content about avoidance of menstruating women as does the Bible, as portrayed so vividly by the great Pastor Brian Tamariki of Density Church, starring elsewhere at ATS).



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 05:49 PM
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Yeah I know all that.
I was looking for unequvocated messages of love not ones with strings attached like this one.
61.4. Verily, Allh loves those who fight in His Cause in rows (ranks) as if they were a solid structure .
www.road-to-heaven.com...



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