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JiggyPotamus
I am a bit skeptical of some of your claims regarding the non-viability of Operation Sealion. The Battle of Britain, which of course was not a battle but more like a camaign, played out like this from the Nazi point of view. Hitler had ordered the Luftwaffe to basically destroy the RAF, and this was occurring at a rapid pace.
. Someone actually stated that the British naval forces could have prevented a German sea invasion, but they fail to realize that U-boats would have been concentrated in the invasion corridor, and would have wreaked havoc on these naval forces.
spartacus699
how do you know they didn't actually win?
spartacus699
how do you know they didn't actually win?
WarminIndy
But then why are we feeling sorry that a few German soldiers had their testicles crushed when they had participated in much worse? In the light of history, I don't feel sorry for them. That might sound cruel, but what was more cruel, obtaining evidence in this manner or what they did in the first place to women and children, not to mention the elderly?
WarminIndy
But the question of whether or not all of Germany was guilty, those Germans who protested were executed or sent to camps. Those who didn't protest were afraid to or believed the propaganda. But all of Germany knew what was happening to the Jews, the Gypsies, the Poles and the various other people. They knew, it's as simple as that. One could say they were never in the Nazi Party, but if they took part in any of the violence in any capacity toward the Jews, then they should have felt guilty. That's how I look at it.
mirageman
crazyewok
By the way in this alternative future does justen bieber end up in a gas chamber?
How dare you. He recently joined Gary Neville, in a joint statement earlier this week, proclaiming their full support for "Movember" even if it would be some decades away before they could both expect to actually take part in the event.
8675309jenny
I enjoyed the OP very much and yet the actual history of WW2 is amazingly interesting also.
The way things are playing out in Europe and Israel today, you have to wonder what really WOULD have happened had there been a response to Hitlers calls for the League of Nations to stop the persecution (and in cases, murder) of Germans in Poland in during the 1930's
Quite likely there never would have been a Wannsee convention of 1942, and hence no "final solution".
Just as America's actions and support of Israel creates new hatred for the US on a daily basis, Chamberlain and Churchill's refusal to work out a reasonable solution for all parties I think simply fueled the growing tensions.
Churchill could have avoided war and that's a fact.
edit on 3-11-2013 by 8675309jenny because: spelling
Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by GeeBee
The He-100/113 story is certainly interesting - but as is pointed out in the linked article, Heinkel was well regarded and the political aspects of the plane not being produced as you suggest may come from him and be sour grapes.
the Me-109 was not actually selected against the He-100 - it competed against the He-112- to which it was obviously superior - the He-100 came along later, at a time when the 109 was actually still a world beater, and there was no strong need to immediately replace it at all.
German engine production was quite low - at the height of the BoB the Germans were only producing about 220-230 109's and 110's per month (vs 450 Spitfires & Hurricanes), and taking engines away from them was not a realistic option.
The 100/113 sits in a category of aircraft that were technologically superior, but not produced due to expediency/politics/economics/short-sightedness/any combination of these - others include the TSR-2, Avro Arrow, XB-70 Valkyrie, Miles M-52, SR-53, etc. - I'm sure ppl can think of others.
How did the He-100 directly cause the surrender of France??edit on 31-10-2013 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)
AngryCymraeg
8675309jenny
I enjoyed the OP very much and yet the actual history of WW2 is amazingly interesting also.
The way things are playing out in Europe and Israel today, you have to wonder what really WOULD have happened had there been a response to Hitlers calls for the League of Nations to stop the persecution (and in cases, murder) of Germans in Poland in during the 1930's
Quite likely there never would have been a Wannsee convention of 1942, and hence no "final solution".
Just as America's actions and support of Israel creates new hatred for the US on a daily basis, Chamberlain and Churchill's refusal to work out a reasonable solution for all parties I think simply fueled the growing tensions.
Churchill could have avoided war and that's a fact.
edit on 3-11-2013 by 8675309jenny because: spelling
???? Churchill wasn't Prime Minister at the start of World War II. Come to that he wasn't even in Government.
8675309jenny
AngryCymraeg
8675309jenny
I enjoyed the OP very much and yet the actual history of WW2 is amazingly interesting also.
The way things are playing out in Europe and Israel today, you have to wonder what really WOULD have happened had there been a response to Hitlers calls for the League of Nations to stop the persecution (and in cases, murder) of Germans in Poland in during the 1930's
Quite likely there never would have been a Wannsee convention of 1942, and hence no "final solution".
Just as America's actions and support of Israel creates new hatred for the US on a daily basis, Chamberlain and Churchill's refusal to work out a reasonable solution for all parties I think simply fueled the growing tensions.
Churchill could have avoided war and that's a fact.
edit on 3-11-2013 by 8675309jenny because: spelling
???? Churchill wasn't Prime Minister at the start of World War II. Come to that he wasn't even in Government.
Sry, deleted Churchill, to write Chamberlain but typed churchill again lol d'oh
GeeBee
I don't have any of my books on the aircraft to hand- still packed in a box after our house move- but as I recall a high ranking French minister was being given a tour of the Heinkel factory. He was placed in a Feisler Storch and given a slow fly-by of the factory. This was a set-up, and an HE-100 did a very close pass at top speed. This shocked the minister, who then obviously asked about this incredible machine. He was told that it was in full production at two factories with a third coming on stream very soon. The minister then returned home and stated to the government that France would fall in a matter of weeks against the might of the Luftwaffe.
I may have got a few details incorrect, but that is the general gist of it. Taken from memory from the book
Heinkel He 100 Record Breaker: Military Aircraft in Detail by Erwin Hood