Hitler and the Conquest of Britain, Ireland and America

"As England, in spite of her hopeless military situation, still shows no willingness to come to terms, I have decided to prepare, and if necessary, to carry out, a landing operation against her. The aim of this operation is to eliminate the English mother country as a base from which the war against Germany can be continued, and, if it should be necessary, to occupy it completely."…………

"a landing in England is possible, providing that air superiority can be attained and certain other necessary conditions fulfilled..... " - Hitler, July 2nd 1940.

Source : www.historylearningsite.co.uk...

What if Hitler had gone ahead with his plans and succeeded? We know the Nazis lost World War II and the reasons why they couldn’t invade Britain and eventually conquer America. But suspend your disbelief for a moment. There were real Nazi plans to take the British Isles and even ideas on how to attack America.. Look at this post as a mixture of real history, speculative fiction, and a bit of light hearted entertainment to end on……

History tells us that the RAF saved Britain in the darkest hours of the Blitz. Some time later the United States, shocked by a Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, joined the Allies and played a large part in the defeat of the Axis Powers. Hitler perished in his bunker in Berlin and so did the fashion for that moustache (well almost).

However had the British Army, Royal Navy and RAF been considerably weaker in the early 1940s , Hitler’s war machine been more advanced and events in Russia been different, then Nazi plans could have succeeded. History would have been very different.

German forces would have crossed the English Channel and invaded the British Isles. Hitler’s plans would bring the United Kingdom and possibly the Empire under his control, Ireland too.

The Germans would then push the Soviets back in the East. America’s role in the war may have been more uncertain. Once Hitler controlled a “unified” Europe, he wouldn’t have stopped and America would have been seen as a major threat.

As said before we know this didn’t happen….there are many reasons. But here’s a guess at the way it may have gone……….

Britain Under the Nazi’s




Historical records show Hitler planned to invade England with six divisions of German troops heading for the Southern coastal towns and airborne troops landing on the Downs above Brighton and north-west of Folkestone to seize vital territory.

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"a landing in England is possible, providing that air superiority can be attained and certain other necessary conditions fulfilled....." Hitler, July 2nd 1940.

Army Group A (6 divisions) invading Kent via the areas near Ramsgate, Folkestone and Bexhill
Army Group A (4 divisions) invading Sussex and Hampshire via the area around Brighton and the Isle of Wight.

Army Group B (3 divisions) invading Dorset via Lyme Bay

Source : www.historylearningsite.co.uk...

As with the invasion of the Channel Islands German troops are on their best behaviour during the early days of an occupation of Britain. This creates a more genial appearance to the general populace. Police officers and other officials are encouraged to continue about their daily work with the Nazis appealing to their sense of duty. Others, with Nazi sympathies, happily collaborate with their new bosses.

Despite defiantly staying until invasion is imminent, the Royal Family are evacuated to Canada.
Churchill and other high ranking officials then join them in exile. Those who are too late are captured, interrogated and imprisoned or simply executed by the Nazis. Their fate is never made known to the ordinary people of Britain.

Hitler re-appoints the Duke of Windsor, once King Edward VIII, as reigning monarch. The Duke was allegedly forced to abdicate for his Nazi leanings, as much as marrying an American divorcee, just before the war. The German high command believes he will be useful as a “puppet” monarch of Britain. Full of his own self importance the Duke accepts and occupies his new role from a base at Balmoral.


The seaside resort of Blackpool was strangely preserved from bombings during the Blitz. It turns out that Hitler had decided it would be a good place to base his paratroopers and use as a place to rest and recuperate. It will also be somewhere high ranking Nazis take a break visiting/ruling Britain.

 
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Please continue as it's an interesting theory....

The Jackboot Comes Down Hard

After the first weeks of occupation the Germans tighten their grip considerably. Many able-bodied men between 17 and 45, (2 million of them), are taken to Europe and used for slave labour. The remaining British populace are now much less capable of resisting their conquerors.

Two primary historical documents a “Black Book” ( Sonderfahndungsliste G.B. * Special Search List G.B), and the Informationsheft G.B., are compiled by SS official Walter Schellenberg prior to Operation Sealion’s success.

The Black Book targets leading anti- Nazis, Communists, Freemasons, and Jews. Names include Noël Coward, E. M. Forster, H. G. Wells, Virginia Woolf, Paul Robeson, Aldous Huxley, Sigmund Freud, and Bertrand Russell.

The capture of individuals on this list is carried out by Einsastzgruppen (SS task forces) led by Dr. Franz Six. They too disappear from Britain and are never heard of again. Major organizations are extinguished ,including Trade Unions, the Communist Party, the Salvation Army, the YMCA, and even the Boy Scouts. The Church of England remains but is placed under tight control and surveillance. The British museum, art galleries and other places of culture are closed and their most valuable of treasures shipped to Germany.

Then the slow targeting, round up and extermination of Jews takes place. First they are identified. Next Jewish citizens are displaced from their localities; neighbours lose contact and become unaware of their fate. The Jews are first taken to special ‘guarded estates’ sealed off from the rest of British society. Finally they are moved out of Britain to Eastern Europe to face a chilling “final solution”.

The British don’t go down without a fight and thousands of men and women go ‘underground’ as part of “auxiliary units” (resistance cells). Prior to the invasion the local police chief would have vetted and personally chosen members of the auxiliaries. Ironically for operatives in these cells one of their first commands is to assassinate him and prevent members details falling into Nazi hands.

The auxiliary units are provided with a secret cache of explosives, hand held weapons and sniper rifles. They murder and maim both the occupying forces and anyone seen to be openly collaborating with the Nazi rulers. Heavy retribution is taken with German troops rounding up and executing friends, families, even whole villages. After 14 days very few resistance cells remain. Most of them have been captured or killed. Often the former followed the latter. The few that survive have run out of supplies and munitions and their members are on the run. Reinforcements fail to arrive from the Empire and Britain’s fate is sealed. With Britain on its knees Ireland is next. 

Operation Green : The Invasion of Ireland

The Republic of Ireland remained neutral as the Nazis blitzkrieg through Europe intensified. Some high ranking Irish politicians even had Nazi sympathies . But for Ireland neutrality would not guarantee it’s safety. A top secret dossier entitled ‘Militargeographische Angaben uber Irland’ detailed key strategic areas for German occupation.

An alternative plan had been considered. This was to invade Ireland before Operation Sea Lion and thus prevent British Army troops stationed in Northern Ireland joining the defence of mainland Britain. It would stop Ireland becoming a refuge for escaping British troops and also provide airfields for the Luftwaffe to suppress northern Britain. However any invasion of Ireland first meant a much trickier navigation round the southern coast of England with the likely intervention of both the RAF and Royal Navy before forces could reach the Irish coastline. So an invasion of Ireland is delayed until Operation Sealion (invasion of Britain) succeeds.

Plans for a puppet government in Ireland, and a round up of dissidents are omitted from Operation Green with any further actions depending on the success of the operation. Irish resistance becomes fiercer than expected boosted by a number of British troops that had fled from the north. However they were too few to make a difference.

Dublin becomes another German administrative HQ along with 5 regional HQs in Britain. The quiet market town of Bridgnorth in Shropshire surprisingly becomes a secret Nazi headquarters for both nations with its central location and nearby airbase. A fact never revealed until decades later.

All remaining liberties are slowly squeezed out of the populace of the British and Emerald isles. It does not take long to realize that spies are everywhere in government, local services, factories, and even education establishments. Speak out and you will disappear overnight, never to be seen again. The fight on the beaches, on the landing grounds, in the fields and on the streets demanded by Churchill was to no avail.

Britain's surrender was complete.


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The Nazis and America

After the Pearl Harbor attack in December 1941, America was deeply concerned by the threat of more attacks from the Axis powers. With the Russians kept at bay in the East, Time Magazine (March 1942) theorized how an Axis invasion of North America would take place.

The year is 1942. After the Luftwaffe launch a devastating attack on the British fleet, Hitler's ships race across the Atlantic and - with the help of 5th columnists - invade America.

Created in the months after Pearl Harbor, the March 2nd issue featured a series of maps showing how experts predicted Hitler might try to annex the U.S.



Map above black arrows alone mean a feint, while black with a grey border indicates a full invasion...

In one map, forces take Iceland and head to America via the St. Lawrence and Hudson Valleys.



In another, the West Coast is hit first, with Japanese forces taking Pearl Harbor, before launching attacks on Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles.

Source : theblaze.com



The Amerika Bomber

Germany, it seemed, had other plans. As early as 1938, the head of Luftwaffe, Hermann Goering , recognized the need for advanced aerial power in the near future. In a speech to aircraft manufacturers he said,

"I completely lack the bombers capable of round-trip flights to New York with a 5-ton bomb load. I would be extremely happy to possess such a bomber which would at last stuff the mouth of arrogance across the sea."

German aircraft manufacturer Messerschmitt began planning a long-range bomber. The airplane was designated the Me 264 and designed with four engines to give the craft a range of 12,428 miles carrying a bomb load of 11,000 pounds. Hitler was very enthused about the project. Junkers were also developing a long range bomber of their own.


With the conquest of the British Isles complete, and the Russians pinned back to the East, more resources could now be utilised for a long range bomber project.

With no place to gather their forces in Europe, the USA decides upon a policy of protecting themselves from the Japanese rather than liberating Europe. Hitler declares he has no interest in invading America and Japan concentrates more in the Pacific theatre.

America breathes a sigh of relief for a short time and even becomes complacent as a sort of phoney war develops. Hitler though orders further development in Nazi missile technology. His rocket scientists are working on a number of projects and the “A10 New York rocket” becomes a horrifying reality.

Bombing and missile attacks from Axis forces begin along the US coastline, destroying infrastructure and sapping the people’s morale. The constant attacks are beginning to wear down America.

Rapid advancement in the Nazi rocket and aircraft programs see weapons launched across the Atlantic to devastating effect on the people of North America as war rumbles on into 1945. This encourages US President Truman to play his final hand with an attempted nuclear strike on Germany. But his intelligence service has let him down and Truman is not aware that the Nazis have perfected their own nuclear weapon.

Truman’s plan fails. With inadequate missile technology, US long range bombers carrying the nuclear payloads are intercepted over the Atlantic. Hitler orders a nuclear strike on New York as retribution and warns America that he will destroy Washington and the industrial heartlands next unless unconditional surrender is agreed. America stands down preferring surrender to annihilation.

The occupation of America sees it carved up by Axis forces with the Japanese occupying the West Coast, the Germans controlling the East with a large neutral area in between. For the ruling Nazis, life is made a lot easier with many businessmen and politicians only too willing to collaborate. Many had been doing so already anyway. There are small uprisings against Nazi rule. But for most, life goes on. The threat of nuclear destruction is the main reason why no major organised rebellion ever surfaces.

As the years pass Western society is transformed completely and democracy as we knew it no longer exists. A Cold War between the Germans and Japanese now begins in the post war years.

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The Rostock UFO Incident

In July of 1947, after violent summer storms, something crashes into the woods a few miles outside the German town of Rostock. Wilhelm von Brazel a local gardener discovers some strange wreckage whilst out walking . The town radio station even declares that a flying disc had been captured. The local newspaper prints a story with quotes from the military and then all goes quiet.


In the following days the story is retracted and blamed on a crashed weather balloon. Nothing is ever said of the incident again until after the Fuerher’s death when an interview with one of the Luftwaffe investigators who went out to the site, Marshall Jesse Major , reveals that a spacecraft from another planet landed. Nazi scientists back engineered it and this led to major advances in technology. Later rumours spread about Hitler meeting small aliens at Ramstein air base in the 1950s and signing a deal with them for technology in exchange for permission to capture and experiment on terrestrial life - including humans. But the Luftwaffe deny anything extraordinary happened to this day.

Space

In the 1957 the Japanese launch their first satellite”衛星1 (sat 1)” nicknamed “Orientalische Mülleimer“ by the German high command . This is because secretly the Luftwaffe have been testing their own rockets, craft and weapons in near space. This leads to the forming of the NRA -
(Nationalsozialistischen Raumfahrt Admin or Nazi Space Administration)

Johann Gleb becomes the first Nazi in space in 1960 and by June of 1967 the Nazis are on the moon and claiming it for themselves.


Col. Nielsen Armestark 1967 – One small step for a man, one giant goosestep for the Reich

Eventually the horrors of the war fade to a peace of sorts. Clean, well maintained streets are patrolled by the SS across Europe and Eastern areas of America. Public order is maintained with any signs of civil disorder rapidly and brutally dealt with. There is little integration between people of different races and in America no civil rights movement is ever allowed to materialise.

Death of Hitler


In 1975 at the ripe old age of 86 Hitler final passes away and much more liberal times await. With the old Fuehrer gone and easing of tensions with the Japanese more liberal times are seen as a new era unfolds. People of Western Europe , the Antipodes and North America are now encouraged to travel as tourism becomes a growth industry throughout the former conquered lands of Europe and America.


The Albert Hall in London daringly puts on a show called “Hitler’s Ball” in mock tribute. Berlin, surprisingly, makes no complaint.



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Popular Culture

Rock ‘n Roll becomes popular in Southern parts of free America after World II, but fails to get noticed elsewhere. Soul , R&B reggae or rap music never really develop although Jazz music remains popular.


Meanwhile Europe is treated to a Teutonic diatribe for 25 years.

In the 1970s with Hitler finally gone, Kraftwerk become the biggest band in the world . The world’s first “Droid Band” as they are eventually dubbed by Adolf Cowell in later years on his TV talent show “Nazi Idol”.

The single “Vienna” by Ultravox becomes number one, ahead of Joe Dolce, 5 years after the Fuerher’s death in 1980 in Britain. But when asked about the song in the homeland many Germans proclaim : “This means nothing to me” .






Until Hitler’s death, children’s programmes included such wonderful titles as the Klu Klux Klangers and "SS" Me Street. Some things never change and by the 1980s “Teenage Mutant Nazi Turtles” has become a massive hit on both sides of the Atlantic. The Australian band “Eine Excess” dress as Nazi Officers in their video for the rebellious “Kneed You Tonight”. A comment on SS brutality of the past.

By the mid-1980s comedies about the “old” days become popular. “Secret Police Academy” and its sequels are massive hits.

“Knackered Gun” features a bumbling but loveable SS officer Lieutenant Franz Drebin and spawns 2 sequels.

“Back to the Fuhrer ” a US made comedy about Martin Von Flie and Doc Emmet Von Braun travelling back to the 1950s becomes one of the highest grossing movies of all time.











The original 60s sci-fi series “Die Star Trek” about the galactic adventures of the Warship SS Enterprisen leads to many spin offs including the 1990s series “Deep Space – Nein”.


By the end of the 1980s Japan and Germany removed all restrictions on travel and trade with each other. It seems a period of peaceful co-existence had begun. However the suppressed people of Russia had been fighting a long guerrilla war ,hidden from us all by a tightly controlled news media . In 2001 the terrorists of “база” flew a captured blimp containing explosives into the Berlin TV Tower.

Once the tower was repaired and people could actually watch the incident on TV, many ordinary citizens of the “Not-so-free World” began to believe that this was actually all special effects and not the work of Soviet terrorist but an inside job by their own administration. The end of innocence had been reached for the generations who had not lived through the war.

Today the trains run on time, our industries are efficient, there is full employment, free healthcare is available to all and many benefits are provided for those who work hard and stay quiet. The beer is excellent with Johan Schmitt’s Bitter from England, Karlsberg from Denmark, Forsters Australian lager, and even Beck’s beer named after the famous female singer Victoria Beckham. Pork products are of the highest quality. President Hasselhoff of America is well loved in Germany and Europe.

And yet there is this feeling across Europe and America that times might have been so much better had the Allies triumphed back in the 1940s. Despite over 100 channels on TV there is a growing distrust in the state controlled media companies and how they manipulate everything from news, movies and sports. No one knows what happened to their politicians, writers, public figures, neighbours and work colleagues who suddenly vanished overnight back in the darkest days of Nazi conquest. Why are certain sites blocked or deleted on the Welt breite web?

Had the Allies won then agents of the government would not be tapping into our phone calls and text messages . There would be no space satellites spying down on us, we wouldn’t need to carry compulsory identity devices so we can be permanently tracked by the authorities.

If only the RAF had not lost the Battle of Britain then perhaps the Allies would have been able to vanquish Nazi control and “bring democracy to the whole world?”………….

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Bravo OP,

Great read. Good story, What if eh?

Thank you

If this is fiction and I can use my imagination...

I think if Hiltler was able to sweep Britain early before the US
joined the war, Hitler would have tried to ally with the US.

Realistically I dont think Hitler had any plans beyond commerse
for America and Germany did not want them in the war.

If the US and Germany were allied and Britain had fallen then
Russia would not have stood long. The cold war may not have happened.
Germany would have had plenty of new territory so fighting over
a stupid wall would have been as foolish as it actually was.

The war turned out just the way Central Banks wanted, but it is
fun to imagine

What an absolutely fantastic thread for this forum. Cheers, round of applause, champagne, WELL DONE!

reply to post by mirageman


Well played! A splendid read - a darky comedic novel or screenplay could be made of this, i know a heap of folk who'd love it and i reckon you should consider finding an editor and investing some spare time into this

ETA: the tv/pop culture bit was just perfect, i cried at "deep space - nein"

Great story, enjoyed that, extra brownie points for the Armstrong and Miller sketch you threw in, cracks me up every time.


In reality though, I think it is safe to say that Germany could never have conquered Britain...not without killing every man, woman and child capable of fighting, what our ancestors did makes me proud to be British.

EDIT: Another thank you for posting that Hitlers Britain video, going to watch that now, put an hour and a half in

reply to post by MALBOSIA


Totally fiction mate. It's based on some real documents and plans but the Royal Navy would have played a massive part in stopping any crossing of the English Channel by the Germans.

So speculate all you like and feel free to add anything for laughs. This was meant to be a light hearted post with a slightly serious message to it at the end.

reply to post by mirageman


Holy # that was a good laugh. S+F for you OP!

I liked the part about "SS" Me Street, “Teenage Mutant Nazi Turtles and “Secret Police Academy” the best.

reply to post by mirageman


Really enjoyed that, well done.

It's really interesting to see what different people do with alternative history scenarios. The Man in the High Castle (Philip K Dick) and Fatherland (Robert Harris) being just two examples I have read recently.

Good ending too.

reply to post by woogleuk


The first half that vid "Hitler's Britain" is very interesting. The second half not so much.

But the whole start of this post goes back a few months. When I was a young lad in the early 1980s I was a paperboy in a local newsagents. The local evening papers had been delayed for some reason and a few of us were waiting round in the shop. One of the regular customers came in and as the weather was particularly bad decided to stay and wait for her paper in the newsagents rather than make the trip back at a later time.

I can't say how old she was but I would guess around 80 at the time. Anyway she had a captive audience of 3 or 4 of us youngsters and the owner of the shop. She began telling us this tale of how she had met Adolf Hitler when she was a young girl and living in Liverpool before the first World War. Well not believing a word she was saying but having respect for our elders we stayed silent as she continued. Apparently he did not have his trademark moustache but a fuller one at the time..... I can't really recall the rest of the conversation.

So anyway I met one of the old gang of paperboys at a funeral in the summer. For some reason we got talking about the above mentioned moment and he said he'd seen it on the local news a couple of years prior and maybe that old lady really wasn't as mad as we all thought back in the midst of time.

Luckily we have Youtube these days and I found this.








Anyway that eventually led to me writing this post up with my tongue firmly placed in my cheek of course!

reply to post by LiveForever8


The Man in the High Castle was also a bit of inspiration for this post



I remember watching Fatherland a while back and the start of it was probably unconsciously on my mind as well.

Here's the start of it......



The whole movie seems available as well at the moment on Youtube!

One of the best posts I have read in a long time. S&F and we'll deserved. Brilliant piece of writing.

reply to post by mirageman


Very well-done, MM. This reminds me of the TV shows "Sliders" and "Star Trek: Enterprise", both of which had episodes depicting Nazi's had taken over the U.S.

This is a prime example of the quality work that should go into threads, and the epitome of what ATS is about. Bravo, MM.

Thank you MM I have totally enjoyed reading your thread whilst eating my Sunday breakfast, I will get to the videos later on.

the last part put a smile on my face, we are so lucky life turned out the way it did.

Had the Allies won then agents of the government would not be tapping into our phone calls and text messages . There would be no space satellites spying down on us, we wouldn’t need to carry compulsory identity devices so we can be permanently tracked by the authorities.