Bullying is Murder

Bring on the nanny state! If you cannot teach your child right from wrong, the collective will. We will be cruel and uncaring to the point that your child will beg to be bullied to feel anything. We will shape your child's mind in our own image. We will show them that words can just as strong as bullets! We will fire that synaptic wiring in their brain to our own selfish ends! We will welcome them into the collective of uncaring mindless slaves who's only function in life is to serve the machine.

The power was already given. You lost.

Watch the news with your child. See how passionate they get at a murder they are covering. Now see how passionate they get if it's about bullying or racism. We told you what to think.

reply to post by LOSTinAMERICA


What's left to do when parents aren't teaching their kids to be decent humans? We can't just have kids shooting up schools because they are lashing out at people who ostracize them for being weak or different.

Yes, if parents can't teach kids not to be arseholes someone will have to. Be it the schools or the corrections institutions. I don't like it either, but I damn sure don't like hearing about a new mass shooting or brutal murder at some random school once every two weeks.

reply to post by JayinAR


How is it working out for society? Generations of it force fed to the masses. Everyone wants to be ruled and no one holds them accountable. How else can it go? Inch by inch, the progression of the collective nears it's final completion. Resistance is futile... You will be assimilated.

reply to post by LOSTinAMERICA


The point is that it hasn't worked at all.
As I said in the OP the media ignores this data. And as others have pointed out, the entertainment industry exploits the bully mentality by airing shows like Mean Girls and the like.

Why would anyone address the issue when they can sale hatred for much more.

The entire point is that if we want the mass murders and violence to stop we need to address the dehumanization of our fellow man.

But yeah, go ahead and rail against "the man". I would rather focus on the problem. We need to raise awareness that bullying, gang stalking, or mobbing, has a detrimental effect on our society.

reply to post by JayinAR


You think the fall in morals had something to do with it? Are you going to play Mrs. Manners to a couple of generations? I don't think I have that kind of power. I'll watch it slowly unfold and not be part of the problem. I'm sure there's a quick fix. I guess instead of a house warming gift to someone who moved into the neighborhood, the money can be spent on security. Works for me!

Hire a bigger bully.

Heippa,

I'm just gonna say it.
Proper parenting is SO VITALLY important that non-violent child rearing MUST become a standard school practice.
One class on it EVERY day till the end of secondary V education.
Get rid of Home Economics.
Forget Typing.
Screw Accounting.
THIS would start to put mankind back on the proper path.
It's far too important to ignore any longer.
Spanking & smacking is what creates bullies and childhood abuse creates monsters.
People must start to take responsibility for their futures for the sake of those who have yet to be born.
Without this sort of cohesive effort on the part of humanity...we are doomed as a species.
You do not gauge a society on it's accomplishments.
You do not gauge a society on ideals.
You do not gauge a society on it's wealth.
IT IS MEASURED IN HOW IT TREATS IT'S CHILDREN.

(Drops mic in disgust and exits stage left...)

-Amitaba-

reply to post by Eryiedes


I know they will go for that because there's money to be made on the ignorant. It might even keep the shootings down. Bravo Bravo! Everything has a monetary worth. I hope air isn't next.

reply to post by LOSTinAMERICA


Yes, we get it. You think bullying people is OK. Noted.

LOSTinAMERICA
I hope air isn't next.

Someone forgot about the IMF carbon tax, didn't they?

-Amitaba-

It takes a village to raise a child. Unfortunately the village is full of idiots who are only thinking about themselves. I'm sure it's a learned trait and might be part of the problem. I know make everything illegal and retrofit the police with military grade equipment! Hell, that always works!

I am joking about a touchy situation but I know there is a problem. It is frustrating knowing I cannot do a damned thing with the resources available to me. I can do one thing. Raise children to think for themselves who respect other people. That's the best I have to offer. Want to jump on the bandwagon?

reply to post by Eryiedes


/cries

JayinAR
reply to post by LOSTinAMERICA

 

Yes, we get it. You think bullying people is OK. Noted.

You take things out of context. I see the problem. I know what I can do on a individual level too. I just wish the sarcasm hit home with a few and start teaching their children respect and tolerance. Going about it the wrong way really rubs people the wrong way. Why get mad at me when my child didn't shoot up a school or bully anyone? Did yours?

JayinAR
reply to post by dazbog

 

You obviously failed to review the literature offered in the OP. There is a link between mobbing and mass murder.

Go ahead and keep justifying your desire to "pick on the weak" though.
Its people like you that keep us from having nice things. So "bravo sir."

Correct ! I didn't waste my time reading some overtly moronic " link between mobbing and mass murder "
I have no desire to " pick on the weak " that is the definition of a bully. I am quite the opposite. " Its people like you that keep us from having nice things " What ? That is hilarious and makes absolutely no sense. Unfortunately, since the dawn of mankind the depraved have always taken advantage of the weak. My experience, in every case with individuals who attempted to intimidate me from grade school through adulthood when force was met with equal or greater force the problem was SOLVED ! Your mileage may differ.
Good luck with that !

reply to post by Eryiedes

Get rid of Home Economics.
Forget Typing.
Screw Accounting.

ALL of those are life skills that youths need to know. Part of the problem, IMO, is that those things are NOT being taught; but violence, retribution, revenge, materialism, and self-interest ARE.

I agree with you 100% that PARENTING needs to be the paramount focus, and NON-VIOLENT coping skills.

But, many youths are out there now who have NO CONCEPT of budgeting, homemaking, or typing....

and in the world today, I'd say the typing is as crucial as the others. Also, a second language and cultural competency - it opens the horizon to empathy. DIVERSITY is the world....and so is economics....

equally important.

reply to post by wildtimes


Bonjour,

I think it is the conflicting messages they are being sent.

"Bullying is WRONG."

Then they get spanked.

"Theft is WRONG."

Then they get taxed.

"Killing is WRONG."

Then they get drafted to goto war.

"Rape is WRONG."

Then they are exposed to violent porn.

"Remain faithful to those you love."

Then they watch their parents get divorced.

I could go on but I think we all get the point.
They are told one thing then shown another.
No wonder they are all losing their minds.

-Amitaba-

hopenotfeariswhatweneed
reply to post by superman2012

 

agreed there is a definite lack of parenting with kids these days.....

bullying is not exactly a new concept it has been going on for a long long time......im not really sure but I suspect the fact that people have access to much more powerful weapons enabling these mass shootings that we see today and the fact that media jump on these kind of acts.....there is also population explosion that could be a factor and obviously social media plays a role....

further to that remember when the movie trainspotting came out and the character digby glassed the guy in the pub.....never had I heard of such an incident in real life but sure enough after that movie it became a rampant issue ...so much so that after certain hours in pubs they are now serving plastic glasses

and as void hawk mentioned could meds be playing a significant role.....either way something needs to be done to address this type of violence..

Back in the day you could buy a fully automatic thompson (tommy gun) from a mail order catalog. Cheap. No background check, no nothing. Children brought real firearms to school for school-sanctioned gun clubs. Children do not have access to more powerful weapons these days, they have less access to powerful weapons, and less access to firearms in general. That's proof positive these school shootings are 100% an issue relating to behavior not inanimate objects.

I believe there are some strong society wide issues that are causing such extreme behavior in the population. It's not limited to schools or school age children, so to approach the issue of bullying/school shootings/suicides/etc as if it's an isolated issue seems pointless.

But there are also some specific changes in schools which, IMHO, have given rise to the current trend of school shooters, bullying victims killing themselves, etc. Most importantly, the no tolerance policy itself is causing these things to happen.

Kid A is getting bullied. Kid A knows that telling the teacher will surely result in even worse abuse by the bullies, and is unlikely to have any positive effect whatsoever. Kid A tries to stand up for himself, fights back against his bullies. HE gets in trouble with the school for "fighting" or whatever they care to label what he was doing. He was a victim, standing up for himself, and the school slapped him down again.

Now he feels hopeless. His classmates bully him. His teachers, the school in general, the adults this kid should trust and feel safe with, betray him and punish him for standing up for himself. His parents are mad with him for getting in trouble at school.

In this kid's mind, he is alone in the whole world. His classmates, his teachers, school, parents, they are ALL against him. He suffers daily at the hands of sadistic fellow students, and there is no end is sight, for years and years and years. He can't tell his teachers, or else face more wrath from his classmates. He can't stand up for himself in front of the classmates, without facing more wrath from the teachers, school, and parents. He is stuck, lost, without purpose or hope.

It's incredibly easy to see how he would be so hopeless that suicide is the only way out, or so angry homicide seems justified. Once this state is reached, it only takes a spark to set off the fire. An off-hand comment from someone at school, a low grade on a test, a negative comment on facebook. One little thing will send this person over the edge, and they end up either just killing themselves, or killing others and then themselves.

Why the school administration refuses to accept that THEY are the ones placing these kids in this situation, I do not know. You are not ever going to get rid of bulling. It's just not ever going to happen, and acting and behaving as if it is a real possibility, you are only doing more damage to the children by treating them as if they live in an ideal world, vs them living in the real world.

Same concept as refusing to teach safe sex in favor of the "just say no" attitude. Yeah, that makes sense if you think it's possible those under 18 will EVER stop having sex, but they won't, and you are only doing more damage by refusing to give them tools to deal with things they ARE going to experience. It's like stealing a skydiver's parachute because you don't agree with people parachuting. You are only doing more damage, live in the real world, and approach problems in a realistic manner, and you solve far more problems.

Let kids fight. Let a bullied kid punch their bully in the face. Let kids stand up for themselves. Let them make a place for themselves in this world, let them form an identity they can be proud of, a strong person, not a victimized weakling who has been neutered of any possible recourse save suicide.

The zero tolerance policy nonsense is whats CAUSING this problem, it's NOT the solution. Zero tolerance does NOT stop bullies, it only stops the victimized from fighting back, and turns the victim into a perpetrator when he fights back.

Bottling things up never, ever works. It only causes things to fester and become far more heinous once it does manifest itself. Let kids be kids, get in fights, stand up to their bullies. You grow up by facing bad situations and overcoming them, you grow stronger. You don't grow up or grow strong buy expecting someone else to deal with your problems.

I beat on kids every day at school. That's what boys do. Boys will be boys. They wrestle fight, and if they sense weakness then they really go after the weakling. It's just what boys do. ohhhh I forgot see now a days they're not suppose to learn how to be men. Only sissys

reply to post by spartacus699


So, if I understand this correctly...you would solve this problem using the identical mindset that created it, employing some sort of Darwin-esque solution to human interaction which has done nothing but fail throughout the entirity of man's history?
Complexe social problems can't, have never and will never be solved by violence.
Your solution is not a solution at all.
It is just another symptom of the same sickness.

-Amitaba-

JayinAR
reply to post by LOSTinAMERICA

 

Yes, we get it. You think bullying people is OK. Noted.

I actually wasted my time reading your link. Three problems. # 1 see my sig line.
#2 " In the following email correspondence with a licensed attorney from New York, Dr. Westhues clearly states his ' OPINION ' that community mobbing (also known as gang stalking) is responsible, in his ' OPINION ', for about ONE-THIRD, or HALF, of all mass shootings!

#3 ONE-THIRD OR HALF [ and the other two thirds ? ] < JUNK SCIENCE + IN HIS OPINION ? I, as well as you, have and OPINION. Both are of equal value ZERO. I however am not basing or claiming his OPINION is of any value what-so-ever.