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posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 12:17 AM
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Krakatoa

MichaelPMaccabee

beezzer
Whaa, who gives a poop? People should have a god damned right to say what they want without the fear of progressive retaliation!


I will reiterate, since the way I phrased it before was deemed to be thread drift.

The OP has the right to fly the flags in her yard, but the Salesman should not have the right to turn her away because of them?

How does someone legislate which First Amendment right to trample on?


Nobody has said that, especially not the OP (the only opinion that matters here as far as I am concerned). Again, if you read the entire thread, and all her posts it will answer your question for you without the need to ask it for the umpteenth time......please.

I am not trying to suppress your opinion, only point you to where YOU can find the answer yourself.



I'm not speaking with the OP. The post you quoted was a direct reply to beezzer, his post was quoted in my reply.




posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 12:23 AM
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I think the crux of the entire thread is that the OP feels an actual sense of distress about their own and the countries direction and future. In this way, she and her S.O. decided to flip the flag, place the sign, and fly the Gadsden as a message to all that can see that they are sending up a distress signal. A signal, she was surprised to hear was one that someone simply did not want to hear, or know why. They just wanted them to go away. Which to them was fine....a person has the right to their opinion....even if it differs (that is the basis of the Freedom of Speech).

That said, I give up, you kids argue all you want.

I'm out................

ETA: If you want to discuss this (which I feel is topic drift), you are welcome to create a thread or PM each other all night and day over it... Now I'm out..........


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posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 12:45 AM
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You Americans take your flag really seriously.

As an outsider I can tell you that the stars and stripes are quickly becoming, symbolically similar, to the swastika to many people and nations.

Images of protesters (Usually in Arab Nations) burning and trampling the flag come to mind.

The US flag generates negative connotations for me when I see it. Not hateful more a disgust of the never ending stream of garbage and lies dished out by your public figures and defended by too many of the citizenry.

I'm old enough to remember when the whole world envied the US and wanted their chance to live the American Dream. The rest of the world has woken up and it seems you're still fighting to keep the delusion alive with no substance holding it up anymore.

Fly the flag however you want it, but I'd love to see the same passion I've seen in this thread (from both sides) directed towards some kind of solution. Ah perhaps its too late.



posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 04:11 AM
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Ok. So here it is 2am and instead of waking up thinking about how to get through my day, here I am because of you. I'm convinced. You seem to have all the answers. I'm in. Where do we start this change? Unless it is just a line of BS and it is all about going after the president, or gays, or abortion.

I am good at writing letters. How do people like us who have disabled dependents even get out of the house to cause change?



posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 04:19 AM
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posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 04:26 AM
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And yes, you can write letters. Yes, there is lots we can do in our spare time.

No, its not about just going after one person, this is far far beyond one person. No this is not about homosexuality or homosexuals, or abortion...

we have real problems in this country and those are not it....



posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 04:31 AM
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What is "funny" in this ENTIRE thread is that

* ALL, virtually all who are agreeing with the OP

are of the assumption that Car Dude "does not care", "is uninformed", "stupid", "puts his head in the sand" etcetera etcetera

This is *exactly* what is wrong with this country: that someone with another opinion "MUST" be stupid or uninformed since THE OTHER opinion automatically is seen as "wrong", "false", "not correct" or coming from a lack of information.

That someone may be voting and thinking differently as compared to YOU, and while doing so very well have their own opinion AND MAY HAVE A REASON WHY THEY DO NOT SHARE YOUR OPINION....seems to be a concept literally impossible to grasp?

Side-note: And don't tell me you put a Gadsen flag up but there is no relationship with the TP nuts whatsoever. Who should buy this? I am not that up-to-date with the TP since I left your country right in time (lol)...but it is my understanding that the Gadsden flag is their SYMBOL. This is as absurd as me waving a Swastika flag but saying I don't really care about NAZI ideology. I don't buy this one bit.



posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 04:48 AM
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I really believe that. I love my children, but my grandchildren are the results of everything I have done. I adore them. I am not pretending concern. I don't have clarity like you, but I know something is seriously wrong in the United States and it is not going to be good for them. I have never been more than 1000 miles from home so I have to think in smaller terms.

These are the freedoms I think my grandchildren will never see:

They were born into a economic struggling family and that is where they will stay, unless luck steps in. Hard work, honest labor, loyalty, won't get you out of poverty in the US again. They will probably never own property.
They will never see the land around them again without "No trespassing" signs every six inches.
They will never get to hunt for turkey on Thanksgiving without miles of travel. Lost food opportunity.
They will never see The Snake River when it was wild without dams and steelhead and salmon runs, beautiful fruit orchards lined its banks. Lost food opportunity.
They will never have a small town doctor who personally knows and cares about them. And took payments in an emergency.



posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 05:05 AM
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MOMof3
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I really believe that. I love my children, but my grandchildren are the results of everything I have done. I adore them. I am not pretending concern. I don't have clarity like you, but I know something is seriously wrong in the United States and it is not going to be good for them. I have never been more than 1000 miles from home so I have to think in smaller terms.

These are the freedoms I think my grandchildren will never see:

They were born into a economic struggling family and that is where they will stay, unless luck steps in. Hard work, honest labor, loyalty, won't get you out of poverty in the US again. They will probably never own property.
They will never see the land around them again without "No trespassing" signs every six inches.
They will never get to hunt for turkey on Thanksgiving without miles of travel. Lost food opportunity.
They will never see The Snake River when it was wild without dams and steelhead and salmon runs, beautiful fruit orchards lined its banks. Lost food opportunity.
They will never have a small town doctor who personally knows and cares about them. And took payments in an emergency.




In one small way and one small way only, my grandchildren will have it a little better in that my daughter had a trust fund, and she used it to purchase her home. But there will be no trust fund for my grandchildren, there is only the house and that is now her husbands.... and he is a janitor.

My concerns are the same ones as yours... will firearms even be legal by the time they could go hunting? And if so what kind of hoops will they have to jump through just to go hunting?

In kansas a couple years ago a man lost his job and had a wife and 3 children so he went hunting for a deer so they could eat... He was arrested for poaching and then had fines and court and all kinds of problems and no they didn't let him keep his deer meat. If not for the community they would have been hungry...

that and so much more is the world our grandchildren will see if we cant change it....

It will be over my cold dead body I allow this to happen anymore.... They will see a free nation... they will live in one....
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posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 07:48 AM
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There is definitely a problem in america, but it aint the progressives. Its the kool-aid drinking mainstream voters who listen to cnn and make fun of beforeitsnews. com. This is the problem with america.

Neoliberalism and neoconservatism is destroying the nation. New liberals and new conservatives. Imperialists, war mongers, satanists. *New World Order* is composed of these new liberals and new conservatives.

Can we go back to traditional politics? I think that is what tea party and occupy had in mind all along, but msm has demonised them. Occupy basically has thrown the towel into the ring. I am ok with tea party eventhough I dont agree with some of their tenants like free trade and a strong military.



posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 08:15 AM
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Other half: "What? The distress flag? Do you even know what it represents?"

Car Dude: "No, I don't, and I really don't care. I can't condone that."




THAT sums it up.

THAT is the problem with a VERY large segment of the American population: they don't even want to learn or understand anything. It seems they want to remain ignorant. Granted, this is due in large part to people's fear of stepping outside their comfort zones, but this willful ignorance is impeding our progress and keeping us from moving past many of the obstacles with which we should otherwise reckon.

Let's just stay dumb, it's easier and more comfortable that way (and we'll fit in with our peer groups).

We see this everywhere, every day, from politics, to world leaders, to our own daily dealings with people.

It's sad really, that willful ignorance is now the normal state.



posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 10:38 AM
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captaintyinknots
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The question is, protest for what? What would the demands of change be? It would have to be a lasting plan.
And that, right there, is the root of all of my questions in this thread. What is the end game? What are people hoping to accomplish?


"A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step".

-- Some really Smart Guy

In order to effect any change, awareness of the issues must first be raised t the level that it promotes discussion. even angry discussion is STILL discussion, and if awareness that people are that dissatisfied with the staus quo is raised, it's a good start.

Only through that discussion, and the awareness of that high degree of discontent, can potentially mutually acceptable solution be found.

If mutually acceptable solutions are not found, then thoroughly unacceptable ones WILL come.

I know which direction I would prefer to see it go.



posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 10:49 AM
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captaintyinknots

Exactly. Thus, awareness is not the issue. Apathy is.



I think awareness IS the problem - more specifically, the degree of awareness. Many are aware that thing are not right, but few are aware of just how serious it will get if not addressed.

Even people who are happy with the situation know that others are not happy with it - but thy seem not to know HOW unhappy those others are.

An inverted flag may shock them, it may anger them, it may offend them, but in that very offense they should begin to understand that those others don't rightly give a damn if they are offended, and may just be preparing to offend them far more thoroughly.



posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 11:14 AM
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Kevinquisitor

No matter which way I look at it though, I always come to a violent conclusion. Even if everyone walked off their jobs to protest change, that would surely cause government to react, and I imagine it would declare martial law and/or send out police to "restore peace".


Feedback loop. if that were to happen, it would raise even MORE awareness, and motivate more people to enter the fray lest they be the next target.

Forcing the government to show it's heavy hand drastically is a time-honored guerrilla tactic.



posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 12:10 PM
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dlbott

To the one blow hard i skipped right over your long tripe about oh poor me. If you have really been to the countries you say and seen those things then you should be thankful that you live where you do that despite all the so elaborated faults it is still the best country in the world. If you don't think so, get the hell out. Go where you think it is better.


I suppose that "blowhard" must have been me. Meh. I've been called worse. thanks for taking it easy on me.

A few observations on the "get the hell out" mentality may be in order.

If you think I'm lying, I invite you to come visit and see how the other half lives. I don't think you'll stay long - I doubt you could stand it.

Next, this is MY country. You don't get to evict me. The time may come that you get to ship me out of it feet first, when I won't have any say in the matter since I won't be able to talk, but not until then.

This is home. it's where I was born, and it's where I'll die. It's where my ancestors are buried going back in some cases several thousand years, and in all cases not less than 350 years. As the saying goes, if I had a farm in Georgia and a home in Hell I'd sell my farm and go home - and in this case set about making repairs on it.

Now, you can join in, or you can stay the hell out of the way, but what you can't do is tell me how to do it, when to do it, or where to do it from.

That's the facts, Jack.

Have a nice day!



posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 01:09 PM
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MichaelPMaccabee

beezzer
Whaa, who gives a poop? People should have a god damned right to say what they want without the fear of progressive retaliation!


I will reiterate, since the way I phrased it before was deemed to be thread drift.

The OP has the right to fly the flags in her yard, but the Salesman should not have the right to turn her away because of them?

How does someone legislate which First Amendment right to trample on?


I guess you have never heard of discrimination laws concerning political beliefs? The car dealer was discriminating against them just as much in the eyes of the law as if he refused to sell the vehicle to someone of a different color. I think they should sue the jerk for discrimination myself.



posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 02:59 PM
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OpinionatedB
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Our lives are 'good'... but our country is becoming a third world nation fast. Our dollar is worth so little Europeans do their Christmas shopping here just like we used to hop the border to do our shopping in Mexico... because it was soooo very much cheaper.

Instead of freedom we are spied upon and our phone calls listened to and our elected officials have all become socialist or communist... it is quite apparent that we no longer have a representative government now.

I stated before, I cannot be appeased by the bread and circus. Its not the bread and circus I want. I want what my forefathers tried to give me.

See, I can practice, or not practice, any religion I want. I can be educated, and work if I so choose. I can own a firearm and go hunting for food if I like or need. I can own land and grow my own food, which I did for many years and I loved every minute. I have the freedom to be safe in my person and in my home. No one can take my property from me. No one can tell me what to believe, or what to think.

But we are loosing our rights daily. Now, if we believe in the constitution, we are deemed terrorists or possible threats to the state. We no longer are safe in our persons from unjustifiable search and seizure. Higher Education is more expensive by the day and our country is far behind other countries in standard high school education. We could own property, but it is also more expensive by the day thanks to serious inflation rates, and if you own that property the government is so far overreaching now they want you to have a permit and pay them money to do so much as build a deck on it. I can go hunting if I pay some more money to the government for tags, and pass a background check, and go through a million other hoops.

I can continue, but this is enough to state my piece.... I will not be appeased by the damn bread and circus while they give me a communist country... I want what my forefathers died for, and it wasn't this I tell you!

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Well sounds to me you just described the whole point, you are free, you have liberty, can worship how you like, own way you want, say and do what you want. Hmmmm sounds pretty much like you have everything the constitution guarantees you should have.

It does not guarantee you will be successful or prosperous or that laws will be fair, there is always someone on the other side against every law. Privacy, well it is way late to start complaining now. This started after 9/11 and almost no one complained then. Oh it's small price to pay for our safety is the most common theme heard from people. Now the beast is out of control and we wonder why.

We act like this new. Your grocery stores do it, Google, MS, everywhere you go on Internet does it. Everything you do is tracked for marketing and advertising purposes every single day. So I guess you are going to protest them, stop using your phone, computer, no you don't care that they do it, it's OK, your just mad cus the government does it to keep me safe after I basically said it was OK after I supported the Patriot Act. Oh you didn't you say, well what did you do, oh Yea you turned your flag upside down then too. No, why not.

Again it is not perfect folks, yes we need to change allot but still ain't that bad by your very own words. You want to change things I support you, I will sign, let's March, let's protest, let's start an independent party, I will join, start the petition, I will help. I called and wrote my congress people, did you.

I say again it is not perfect but it's still the best place in the world.

The Bot



posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 03:07 PM
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nenothtu


Feedback loop. if that were to happen, it would raise even MORE awareness, and motivate more people to enter the fray lest they be the next target.

Forcing the government to show it's heavy hand drastically is a time-honored guerrilla tactic.



Right on, never thought about that before.

However,

"... and motivate more people to enter the fray lest they be the next target."
That I believe is what is stopping people from standing up now. I think (for me) they feel they're singling themselves out, and too many people would view them as an "extremist" "terrorist" whatever trigger word the media associates people they want to paint in a bad color.

It would take a lot of people willing to look past this life, and into their children's, and so forth to be able to stand up and physically take back what is ours.



posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 03:17 PM
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Side-note: And don't tell me you put a Gadsen flag up but there is no relationship with the TP nuts whatsoever. Who should buy this? I am not that up-to-date with the TP since I left your country right in time (lol)...but it is my understanding that the Gadsden flag is their SYMBOL. This is as absurd as me waving a Swastika flag but saying I don't really care about NAZI ideology. I don't buy this one bit.


Not that I haven't already said it repeatedly in this thread...

I am NOT TEA Party.

The Gadsden existed LONG before the TEA Party came onto the scene.

For me, it represents the original America, our forefathers, our freedom, our constitutional rights.

Just because the TEA Party adopted it, doesn't negate the original meaning or origin and doesn't make it impossible for someone flying it to not be TEA Party.
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posted on Oct, 27 2013 @ 03:25 PM
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daryllyn
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Side-note: And don't tell me you put a Gadsen flag up but there is no relationship with the TP nuts whatsoever. Who should buy this? I am not that up-to-date with the TP since I left your country right in time (lol)...but it is my understanding that the Gadsden flag is their SYMBOL. This is as absurd as me waving a Swastika flag but saying I don't really care about NAZI ideology. I don't buy this one bit.


Not that I haven't already said it repeatedly in this thread...

I am NOT TEA Party.

The Gadsden existed LONG before the TEA Party came onto the scene.

For me, it represents the original America, our forefathers, our freedom, our constitutional rights.

Just because the TEA Party adopted it, doesn't negate the original meaning or origin and doesn't make it impossible for someone flying it to not be TEA Party.
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I agree 100%....especially since I ave had one as a bumper sticker on each of my vehicles for long about 25 years now. I believe that predates the conception of the "Tea Party" does it not?

As our patriot forefathers would have said, HUZZAH!






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