Your Money Is No Good Here: How Our Upside Down Flag Caused Local Business Owner to Turn Us Away!

WWJFKD
reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee

 

You eluded to I'm assuming you are referring to the rebel flag associated with Mississippi as a racist flag and the Gadsen flag associated with the tea party. Sound remarkably like assumptions thereby making my point. What exactly was your point?

I made inferences, actually. Not to nitpick, but it is a pet peeve of mine.

It is unfortunate that you do not understand my point. Judging from your other posts, and your ability to read the English language, I am going to assume your lack of understanding is willful, considering you have argued against my points for a few posts now. The willful ignorance is ironic by today's popular definition of ironic, considering your railing against people not taking in all available information before making decisions.

ETA:

I got ahead of myself and didn't finish.

It is unfortunate that you don't understand my point, but I don't really care that you don't understand my point.

daryllyn
reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee

 

I'm assuming nothing. It was spelled out in the OP.

The guy saw Tea Party # and the upside down flag in their front yard and didn't want to do business with them. To deny that the Gadsdan Flag is a popular flag of the Tea Party would be to deny that the Stars and Bars is a popular flag with racists. Is every person flying the Stars and Bars a racist? I cannot make that claim, but I would say that a good marjority of people with a Gadsdan Flag and an Impeach Obama sign in their front yard are probably aligned with the Tea Party.

The Gadsden flag, is a historical American flag dating back to 1775. Others in the past have also adopted it, but it doesn't mean it only represents them exclusively.

Yeah, and when you see a swastika you don't think of Nazis, right?

reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee


I see you are ripe for the fight and I respect that what I don't understand is some people perhaps not your assumptions of what OP is involved in politically associated with the act of hubby flipping the flag. I personally see the US as a large baby making aircraft carrier feeding the war machine with new troops to do the bidding of - your guess is good as mine. I believe that this "vessel" is in distress and therefore the act of flipping the flag is completely appropriate.

I don't assume anyones affiliation with any group based on a symbol which has many different interpretations to many different persons. I have personally seen black people driving pickups in MS with the rebel flag decorative license plate - what does that suggest?

The Gadsen flag has a proud heritage in this country long before the tea party ever existed.

Unless you see someone displaying one of these symbols and personally go up to them and ask whats up how can we assume we know anything of their motivation.

WWJFKD
I don't assume anyones affiliation with any group based on a symbol which has many different interpretations to many different persons. I have personally seen black people driving pickups in MS with the rebel flag decorative license plate - what does that suggest?

The Gadsen flag has a proud heritage in this country long before the tea party ever existed.

Unless you see someone displaying one of these symbols and personally go up to them and ask whats up how can we assume we know anything of their motivation.

edit on 26-10-2013 by WWJFKD because: damn busted ass keyboard

Are you making the assumption that I would believe that a black person flying the Stars and Bars would mean something different than a white person flying the flag? If not, why ask me what it means? Assumptions are interesting.

As I said, the man didn't make an assumption, he made an inference. It wasn't just the Gadsden Flag that tipped him off to potential Tea Party affiliation. There is an Impeach Obama sign in the front yard, an upside down flag, and the Gadsden Flag.

The Gadsden Flag is the banner of the Tea Party in 2013. Impeach Obama is nearly their official slogan.

The End.

To deny it is to deny the reality of our world. To continue to fly that flag is to risk being associated with them, and as such, to be subjected to the treatment such associations will bring. Some of that treatment will be positive, some negative. All warranted, as the flag is willfully being flown with the full knowledge of the associations flying that flag are going to bring.

reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee


Assumption : something taken for granted; a supposition

Inference: the process of deriving the strict logical consequences of assumed premises.

Thats pretty loose man. But okay I'm willing to agree to disagree

I would have hated to see the tea partiers associated with the militia or vice versus. That would have been quite a mess of an assumption or excuse me - inference.

reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee


Why should anyone really care? Shouldn't we just all be free enough to accept that people don't always think the same?

I mean, really. Look at this thread!

The people most bent out of shape are the ones who don't agree with personal expression!

Or should we just all think the same and behave the same. . . ad nauseum

beezzer
reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee

 

Why should anyone really care? Shouldn't we just all be free enough to accept that people don't always think the same?

I mean, really. Look at this thread!

The people most bent out of shape are the ones who don't agree with personal expression!

Or should we just all think the same and behave the same. . . ad nauseum

I'm all for personal expression, but at the same time, I understand that personal expression is going to lead to social consequence. The man not selling the car to the OP is social consequence. If we do not have social consequence, we do not have the person flipping the flag, which itself was a social consequence to the OP feeling social "distress".

reply to post by beezzer


Isn't that crazy that I am learning so much about the Tea Party in this thread?

Prior to this thread I had no idea the Tea Party was using the Gadsden flag for anything. Last I saw that flag was after 9/11.

Prior to this thread I had no idea the tea party was flying an upside down flag either...

heck... I don't even know what the tea party stands for but thanks to this thread I know what they do with their flags!

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Sorry ATS, my emotions got the best of me...

reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee



Whaa, who gives a poop? People should have a god damned right to say what they want without the fear of progressive retaliation!

reply to post by OpinionatedB


I've been a Tea Party member since L'il Bush was in office and he pissed me off. You might be surprised by the military element involved with the Tea Party.

*wink*

daryllyn
reply to post by dlbott

 

Oh she is wearing nice glasses and clothes so someone is making money to go to eye doctor and buy glasses and nice clothes.

My glasses are SEVEN years old, and the prescription is three years old.

My 'nice' shirt was picked up at a garage sale for a whopping 75 cents.

We have a truck that doesn't fit us all and are borrowing a pop can on wheels from family, to get us by until we can get an appropriate vehicle, and hoping like hell they will take the truck in trade with whatever cash we can scrape together.

You see, someone thought it was a good idea to text while driving a 22ft long refrigerated box truck. He slammed into my husband at 60MPH, who was in his work truck, sitting still on the highway waiting to make a left hand turn. He broke every vertebrae in his thoracic spine along with a few others, suffered bilateral atelectasis, and brain trauma. He was the top outside foreman and will never be able to go back.Three months after the accident? I was diagnosed with a devastating, painful, degenerative disease that has no cure. So the nice Chrysler we had with a moon roof and heated seats? Had to go back to the dealer.

And THAT is why we needed the car in the first place.

I could go on, because it gets worse, but I'll spare you.

So let's not go around making assumptions, hmm?

Again the point is to be honest, I am so incredibly thankful that you are here and hopefully are both ok now. I am so excited you have overcome... It was not meant as assumption but an example. We all did those things, we went shopping, our kids went to school and soccer or whatever. We have land we have homes, we all went to our children's events we went to Walmart, you see honestly, if we are honest we have much to be thankful for and that our life is blessed.

My glasses are ten years old and scratched but I can still see.. I too suffer incredible pain that will never go away among other things and trying to deal with impending death of father. Cancer eating him away and inoperable heart. You see things are hard or harder for us, we are raising 13 year old granddaughter who got her braces on today, we were two fifty short on the monthly payment but the let us slide. I have four broken teeth in my mouth and need them out which will pretty much leave me with none to eat with. I suffer from damaged nerves that effects my muscles and doing anything is incredibly difficult to do anything. And last the discs that are ruptured and deteriorated beyond repair. Ah not least but good one memory loss which drives the family bonkers, that and the hearing loss. But hey I am not complaining just pointing out we're not so different after all. We are blessed we live in a country where you are still alive and had great doctors to save you.

No we have so much to be thankful for so much of our lives is a blessing. Our lives are good and that is the point. Isn't it....

The Bot

reply to post by beezzer


All I ever knew to be honest was when they first started up I heard they didn't really have a platform or any gripes or reasoning...

Then I heard they were taken over by the GOP and that sealed their coffin in my opinion...I never asked what they were about after that...

reply to post by dlbott


Our lives are 'good'... but our country is becoming a third world nation fast. Our dollar is worth so little Europeans do their Christmas shopping here just like we used to hop the border to do our shopping in Mexico... because it was soooo very much cheaper.

Instead of freedom we are spied upon and our phone calls listened to and our elected officials have all become socialist or communist... it is quite apparent that we no longer have a representative government now.

I stated before, I cannot be appeased by the bread and circus. Its not the bread and circus I want. I want what my forefathers tried to give me.

See, I can practice, or not practice, any religion I want. I can be educated, and work if I so choose. I can own a firearm and go hunting for food if I like or need. I can own land and grow my own food, which I did for many years and I loved every minute. I have the freedom to be safe in my person and in my home. No one can take my property from me. No one can tell me what to believe, or what to think.

But we are loosing our rights daily. Now, if we believe in the constitution, we are deemed terrorists or possible threats to the state. We no longer are safe in our persons from unjustifiable search and seizure. Higher Education is more expensive by the day and our country is far behind other countries in standard high school education. We could own property, but it is also more expensive by the day thanks to serious inflation rates, and if you own that property the government is so far overreaching now they want you to have a permit and pay them money to do so much as build a deck on it. I can go hunting if I pay some more money to the government for tags, and pass a background check, and go through a million other hoops.

I can continue, but this is enough to state my piece.... I will not be appeased by the damn bread and circus while they give me a communist country... I want what my forefathers died for, and it wasn't this I tell you!

reply to post by dlbott


Sorry to say, but your standards of living are WAAAAAY below mine. I do not want to wait until I am living in a box, afraid of dying of typhus, or being beaten or shot my a corrupt government before I begin to say something.

Consider this the ships outlook spotting an iceberg ahead, and calling in to the bridge to act. Imagine, if you will, unfortunately, the entire bridge crew is too busy arguing over who should make the coffee, to be bothered with the message. And the captain, is too busy shmoosing with the robber barons in the dining room to even know of the danger ahead.

That is the type of distress many Americans (and growing) are seeing and beginning to realize we are rapidly heading for disaster, and want to shout it to whoever will listen.

I personally would rather not sit in my cabin, all warm and fuzzy, until the water reached my nose to realize something is amiss. That, my friend is what you are saying.....Well, at least the water hasn't reached my nose yet.

If one line could possibly sum up the problems with our country it has
got to be this: Car Dude: "No, I don't, and I really don't care. I can't condone that."

I honestly hope this does not represent the average person in the US, if it does
then that really explains the whole voting thing..... ugh.

reply to post by beezzer


Im sure it was a good one! hahaha

beezzer
Whaa, who gives a poop? People should have a god damned right to say what they want without the fear of progressive retaliation!

I will reiterate, since the way I phrased it before was deemed to be thread drift.

The OP has the right to fly the flags in her yard, but the Salesman should not have the right to turn her away because of them?

How does someone legislate which First Amendment right to trample on?

MichaelPMaccabee

beezzer
Whaa, who gives a poop? People should have a god damned right to say what they want without the fear of progressive retaliation!

I will reiterate, since the way I phrased it before was deemed to be thread drift.

The OP has the right to fly the flags in her yard, but the Salesman should not have the right to turn her away because of them?

How does someone legislate which First Amendment right to trample on?

Nobody has said that, especially not the OP (the only opinion that matters here as far as I am concerned). Again, if you read the entire thread, and all her posts it will answer your question for you without the need to ask it for the umpteenth time......please.

I am not trying to suppress your opinion, only point you to where YOU can find the answer yourself.