Soliders Warn of Coming Gun Confiscation and War Against Patriots

CaticusMaximus

Emerys

I'd love to see them come to Texas and strip us our weapons. We have 1.5 million registered hunters. BRING IT!!!!

What exactly is the significance of the number of registered hunters in a state vs a militarized police force with modern armor, as in APCs and such?

Seriously... assuming even 10% (which I think is very high) of that figure did more than just gripe, how many are trained for combat situations in a scenario of being incredibly outgunned and outmanned? And how many of them have formed cohesive groups of fighters who can interact with each other while battling to the death perhaps the most modern and sophisticated police force on the planet?

I guess the most concise way to ask all of that is:

How many of those 1.5m are Rambo manifest in the flesh?

Unfortunately, Im guessing 0.

Gun confiscation indeed would be a bloodbath... but there wouldnt be much cop blood spilled.

Also, what are your anti-air capabilities like? You know, for drones with missiles and all (perhaps a gunship or two for dramatic effect) for any who might hole up somewhere moderately defensible....

And you wouldnt "love" it. This isnt Battlefield or CoD.

If you want to die on principle, I respect and support that 100%.

But dont think when you make that stand, youll be coming out alive; you wont. And be prepared to accept not even getting the chance to fire a single shot before being killed yourself, as that will be a distinct possibility. Better to accept that now than to be really, really disappointed and shocked in your inevitable final moments of this life.

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While I do not advocate for violence at this point or in the near future I can't help but think somebody at one point in time made your same exact speech to George Washington. Resolve is a funny thing to measure when people are protecting families and foundational ideas.

All it would take to see the organization that is currently lacking that you rightly pointed out in your post is one incident where innocents, possibly women and children were gunned down and I think you start to see national organization very quickly. First neighborhoods, then whole communities, then counties.

As menacing as the militarized police force seems to individuals or even compounds of a 100 or so, one county could hold off the entire state police force easily once organized.

reply to post by Logarock

According to the Federalist Papers the primary deterrent to a Federal Government gone mad, the rise of a tyrant or group of tyrants, would be the states and their armed citizens formed into militias of some type of organized force.

My question was regarding swearing an oath to the constitution not to the Federalist Papers. The Federalist Papers are a series of 85 articles and essays written by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay promoting the ratification of the United States Constitution. The country is not founded on the Federalist Papers and nobody has sworn an oath to them.

I'm just interested if people who swear an oath to the constitution will honer their oath if the Legislative and Executive do not give them authority to defend the people in the proposed scenario of domestic violence. If there is domestic violence and they are not authorized to defend the people and they do then it would appear that they are violating their oath. It's a given that they will defend against invasion but it's not quite as clear with regards to domestic violence.

It's probably a stupid question, but I was just interested in what an oath taker had to say about this.

I have to ask this question with all due respect, as it occurs to me that the "freedom to bear arms" comes with certain responsible mind sets.......
Could the increase of fire power, in civilian hands, be prompting
the increased level of firepower the police have attained?

The LA shootout with to doped up bank robbers which proved so disasterous for the officers who answered the call.......has to be an example, (though extreme) to illustrate what the outcome of
a serious situation could, and sometimes does happen........

Just a thought....but i am sure that the proliferation of heavy firepower is an ever increasing phenomena.....much like the arms race which countries engage in.......
George Carlin would label this whole exercise as mere "dick waving".....
I am not opposed the an armed populace, but the lethality
of the available people portable weaponry. has increased many fold from the days of the six gun....
It therefore, seems to me that the natural course of policing this
situation leads to a far more heavily armed, and far more aggressive police force........how can this be avoided?
Radical new technolgies such as drones above, and cameras below,see through walls cameras, and the like,even armed robots,
are changing the face of enforcement, as are the "tanks" which DHS
is currently supplying your local LEOs with.....
Dangerous precedents are being enacted that will be impossible to alter or eradicate in the not too distant future.......

I propose no fast and furious answers........but merely observe that the more heavily armed people become, the more draconian things will become.....of its own inertia.......??

There exists an extreme gap in the public trust of both the governments, and the police forces they are creating.

Doesnt anyone else see that the paradime we are subscribing to, is flawed at the root, and can produce nothing but an endless cycle of death and violence?

GoldenBrain71

kingofyo1
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It may just be me, but I don't see anything in this oath that says defend the people. I suppose defending the constitution also means defending the states against invasion which is what article 4, section 4 speaks to.
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So, if congress were to amend the constitution with language that it's okay for the government to kill it's citizens who don't give up their guns then wouldn't you be bound by your oath help them since you swore to defend the constitution rather than the people?

Just curious...

I will not support any amended form of the constitution in which killing U.S.citizens is allowed because they have guns, or are considered patriots. If congress did that, I and an epic ton of other soldiers would not allow it to take place. We stand for many things but we will not stand for that.

I would say that there is no real long term threat because technology needs to be serviced, and needs to be fed new batteries to keep working.....But when the materials and parts needed to maintain technology are not made within the country that uses it, it is somewhat difficult to disrupt manufacturing and supply lines.

Our supply lines can be pinched in an instant and run completely dry in less than a week for everyone, but that goes against the purposes and goals of those in positions of power. Even underground facilities and massive storage need to be replenished after a time, things run out and wear out without fail.

If you want to prepare for some kind of end of the world as we know it scenario, learn to live independently of the things the system has to offer, the things that have made you lazy and fearful of losing your un necessary trinkets you are merely addicted to.

Get over the addiction and the fear of having your easy peasy existence come to an end, and these type of glorified doom porn stories don't cause you to be so defensive and afraid, preparing to defend one's self from one's inevitable demise.

I do not consider anything that cannot be proven to be true in my views, anything that I consider has to be palpable and provable, faith doesn't cut it, faith is too much like hope, hope can be addictive.

How can people stop fussing and fighting about non events and prophesies which fulfill themselves by simply being known by many, taught in church and schools?.

Lastly, you have to consider those people many are so fearful of being attacked by are people just like you and I, they are relatives in some cases and won't attack anyone in their own country anyway, whether or not they are ordered to.

Become less dependent and it isn't so scary a thought to lose something, or even everything, because it's really nothing and it's all meaningless anyway....

Anyway.....Cluck Cluck Cluck

Those who would confiscate weapons on a widespread basis are the one's with their fingers poised on the switch to cut your communications off completely and immediately, along with everything else you depend on like water, gas,and electricity, really though, all that has to be done is to flip off the lights.

Considering this, it would be difficult to organize any kind of effective resistance that wasn't practiced before losing communications, and than any organization which practiced would be known by those who monitor the web and everything else.

This is everyone's fault for being naïve for too long, I don't say give up or stop preparing, I am just saying that if this does come to pass, most will be pretty much on their own at least for a time.

Get small, deal with the cold and be quiet, do it now, get used to it. It's amazing how much more you can see in the dark, how much more you can hear in the silence of the wilderness, how much better everything tastes when you are actually hungry.

Things nearly everyone has forgotten.

vilification of the founding fathers

You mean like Texas taking Thomas Jefferson out of their history books?

The truth is that many Americans are being left behind by globalization and instead of getting an education they'd rather play with guns and make empty threats all day long.

reply to post by ActuallyActuary

All you say is applicable to organized warfare. The scenario I envision is initial complete occupation without much of a resistance - the power will be overwhelming, infinitely better organized and concentrated - the patriots won't have time to organize sufficient countermeasures. The fun will start after that armada rolls out of supposedly cleared area. Examples are countless, the ground will burn under fascist's feet, the pressure will continue to build up, morale of goons degrade, until eventually they succumb.

Perhaps, you are correct. However, I would say that to mount a proper resistance requires the same skills as in organized warfare. First of all I don't think taking our guns away will happen anytime soon and possibly not until the entire world is at peace which will be a very long time. I believe the perception to the rest of the world that we are a bunch of hard ass cowboys with guns serves as a deterrent to other nations that would like to invade us.

The truth is we are a country of "LARPERS." Sure we have a bunch of guns but mostly we are a nation of fast food eating, beer guzzling, video game playing soft bodies who live in fantasy land. Most people in this country have no idea what real hardship is. The countries mentioned in this thread who have put up an effective resistance to occupation are made up of poor people who are already battle hardened and know how to live off the land. People in this country would be shocked to say the least if something like an invasion or our own government sweeping through to take their guns actually happened.

Again, I really don't see this happening, but if it did we aren't as prepared as some who live in fantasy land would have us believe. Here are some rough stats to consider. Depending on which pole you read... 49 percent of our population are in favor of gun control. 48 percent of our population are disabled. 14 percent are over age 65. 24 percent are under age 18. Half of the 300 million are women who are capable fighters but I'd say most, though beautiful and strong in the own ways are softies and lack the will and or training to put up much resistance. (please don't bash me ladies, I'm just trying to be realistic here for the sake of argument) Only 37 percent of the country owns guns and many of them are in favor of gun control, are too old, young, weak, out of shape or don't have the correct training and arms to put up a decent fight. I could go on and on with the stats but instead I'll just hazard a guess that there aren't more than a couple of million people in this country who could actually pose a real and lasting threat to a well trained and equipped army. Once the supposed SHTF those numbers will dwindle rapidly.

With all that said, it would probably be prudent to store a few guns and emergency supplies in large PVC tubes and burry them. You know, for a rainy day.

reply to post by kingofyo1

I will not support any amended form of the constitution in which killing U.S.citizens is allowed because they have guns, or are considered patriots. If congress did that, I and an epic ton of other soldiers would not allow it to take place. We stand for many things but we will not stand for that.

I can respect that. Not only is your service appreciated but also your desire to continue to fight for the people.

Here's the thing. As I read the constitution there wouldn't need to be an amendment to the constitution in order to keep you from protecting the citizens. Article 4, section 4 reads... The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.

The important part is... "Shall protect each of them" "on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence."

To me this means that military and others who swear an oath to the constitution would need authorization from the legislature or the executive in order to defend against domestic violence. Police already have this authorization because that's what they do every day, but does the military? If you are in the military or have taken this oath then would you be violating your oath if you weren't authorized to protect the people from domestic violence and did so anyway? The oath also obliges you to follow executive order so if the president orders all guns to be taken and those who resist to be put down and you don't do it then are you in violation of the oath?

Of course, the laws in our country give us the right to protect ourselves and others who may be under threat of harm so does this trump the oath for those in the military? The oath doesn't say you will protect the laws, but rather the constitution so it would appear the constitution and legislative/executive order come first.

I'm not trying to be an ass, and believe me, I completely respect people who serve in the military and police in general even though there seem to be quite a few bad apples lately. I'm just trying to understand the language and how dedicated people are to the oath they swear to the constitution rather than to the people.

reply to post by tadaman


All of these tuff guys you mention and thier equipment have already been drawn and quarterd...u really believe what you are saying? These people you mention will either be brought in on the side of the government or will be asassinated before hand...lets get real here.

reply to post by GoldenBrain71


Well, from what I've read and know to be true, you're correct in these statements you've made. I would entirely be breaking the oath I've taken by refusing orders from the legislative or executive, because I deem the orders unconstitutional. This is really the basis for my beliefs and what I am willing and unwilling to do for my country. Any order to take guns violates the second amendment, so I deem that unconstitutional. I follow the constitution before any orders of officers appointed over me. The real question is where does everyone else draw the line?

Would normal citizens stand up for themselves, or will my coworkers and I have to? Would citizens allow themselves to be governed and be the sheep? I believe that choice has already been made. As you've stated, these laws give us the RIGHT to protect ourselves, just as we have the right to free speech but how much protection will citizens follow through on? In certain states, Texas for instance, with 1.5 million citizens armed to the teeth, they will do everything in their power for protection. In other states, California for instance, the power for protection has been all but stripped from the citizens.

The language to be understood by us has been tainted and will continue to be. Nevertheless, I will stick with my ideals and values that I hold to be true and constitutionally sound regardless of any new crap that comes up intended to strip our rights out from under us.

Pistols for pixels.....Yeah yeah...but bear with me here....The City of Ottawa managed to take 570 firearms from people by offering them amnesty when turning in a firearm and giving them a digital camera.....


See how cunning it's being done....Offer the people what they want in trade for their guns....Hummm.....Where have I heard this before ??? Ohhh yeah...." I trade you this mirror for one leigth of my gun in furs..."

reply to post by GoldenBrain71


I think you are underestimating a power of being really pissed-off. A sufficiently large mob of slobs can overpower any soldier, no matter how well trained and equipped. The numbers are on our side, so the conflict being discussed here should be named "When Slobs Attack".
On the other side of things, it doesn't take too long to turn a beer-guzzling softie into a mad wolf: just a few weeks of limited food and rigorous excersise. Clue - an army boot-camp. In SHTF situation battle-hardening happens scary quickly. My grand-grands were in guerrilla in Europe during WWII, I heard amazing stories of committed pacifists and gray-skinned city dwellers turning into Rambo-types in a matter of days, given a sufficient reason to fight.

Anyone else get the feeling the government has all but decided to ignore the constitution, but only when it comes to its own interests.

The rest of the American suckers are still playing fair, by the rules, as the fathers intended.


You have to admit, its a pretty impressive feat of brainwashing, making its own human employees to go along with everything.

'I'm a citizen and you are a citizen - while we have the same rules and laws at home - i have a badge/suit at work and can ignore any rules as long as my employer is happy the job set out gets done'

CaticusMaximus

Emerys

I'd love to see them come to Texas and strip us our weapons. We have 1.5 million registered hunters. BRING IT!!!!

Seriously... assuming even 10% (which I think is very high) of that figure did more than just gripe, how many are trained for combat situations in a scenario of being incredibly outgunned and outmanned? And how many of them have formed cohesive groups of fighters who can interact with each other while battling to the death perhaps the most modern and sophisticated police force on the planet?

How well are the Afghan resistance fighters trained and armed? They seem to be holding their own against the world's strongest military.

There are more people in the US who are willing to fight against tyranny than fight for tyranny, I can promise you that. Many police officers and military members will refuse to fight with the tyranny and live up to the term Patriot. If it were to happen it will be a blood bath but there are plenty of Patriots here in the USA who are well trained, well armed, and have plenty of intel to take down a tyrannical government if necessary.

In this current climate, gun confiscation is nearly impossible. Unfortunately, that means the climate for patriots and gun owners will have to get much worse, and we know how the government and globalists change the climate, just look at 9/11.

Emerys
reply to post by roadgravel

 

Yes sir. I just got back from Academy, and people everyday still go in and fill up their carts with ammo. We as Texans are well aware of what is happening, and we are preparing. I have thousands of rounds myself. My family and friends have AR-15's, we will not go silently into the night. That I can promise you. Assuming any of this really happens.

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. I'd think about moving to Texas, but I'd have to wear one of those stupid looking hats, though my leather chaps and bullwhip might fit in? Waddaya think? Cowboy ready to ride?

if they do try to take us on our own turf it's gonna be like Les Mezieres in 1944. they start the confiscations, the ones who fended off the attack are headed to the barracks if they know how.

reply to post by therealguyfawkes

You had me going there until I saw Alex Jones. LOL

Obviously there is a new litmus test for today's general officers. I just have to take a step back from AJ's fearmongering because I know he's a sensationalist. Let's be honest...he is the modern day chicken little.

Obama definitely wants to get rid of the older, wiser officers and replace them with real YES-men who carry out orders even against their better judgement. I don't however think there is some sign that all of this is coming to a head in the near future. This is more of a longterm takeover strategy like SCOTUS nominations IMO.

reply to post by therealguyfawkes


I actually bought a crossbow just to be like "surprise f*cker!"

Then as they sit thinking of the irony of a bolt in them when they tried to confiscate my guns i'll point my finger and laugh.