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Backing Bush has won you nothing, Chirac tells Britain

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posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 10:54 PM
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Well Mr. Blair, tell Chirac to stick it where the sun does not shine. What a joke Chirac is.......I hope the UK can see through this weasel of a man.




Backing Bush has won you nothing, Chirac tells Britain
By Charles Bremner in Paris and Philip Webster, Political Editor

JACQUES CHIRAC dealt a blow to Tony Blair’s attempt to heal the wounds between the US and Europe last night by saying that the Prime Minister had won nothing for supporting the war against Iraq.

As Mr Blair used a keynote speech to present Britain as a “bridge across the Atlantic”, President Chirac doubted whether anyone could play the “honest broker”. Speaking before he visits London on Thursday, he said that it was not in the nature of this Administration to return favours.

Mr Blair suffered another setback when Colin Powell, the US Secretary of State and the administration figure most trusted by Europe, resigned. There were doubts over whether his successor, possibly Condoleezza Rice, the National Security Adviser, would be as accommodating.


Chirac is not an ally of the UK


One other thing.....




[edit on 15-11-2004 by edsinger]




posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 10:58 PM
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Down with the UN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 11:01 PM
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LostSailor, you seem to be 'lost' in the 'context' of this thread.

Also, ed, what exactly does the U.K gain by backing the U.S. in a war that has been deemed unjustified by many over the years?

Deep



posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 11:05 PM
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No im not lost zerodeep. But thanks for your concern



posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 11:07 PM
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This is a thread about the U.K., not the U.N.....

Deep



posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 11:08 PM
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Well, what have we got?

Not really seeing much in hard value. All we got is a lousy friendship that would be revived after the next president if it faltered anyway.



posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 11:11 PM
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Well Mr. Blair knows who his allies are as do we.....

The French are concerned about well......the French.

How come no uproar about all the civilian casuties in Ivory Coast from the French Soldiers? Think about that one would you?



posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 11:12 PM
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Mostly here in the UK we are wondering just exactly what Tony Blair is going to get in return for his diehard support of George Bush, who is after all a republican and totally at poles to a Labour government. This is the first war Britain has gone into without attack or threat of attack. And the very first war a Labour government has gone into. (Yes I am including the war in Afghanistan but most thought this would be the end and OBL captured)>
I personally hope he will get Bush to sign the Kyoto Treaty. Others think the cat that will be let out of the bag will be ea dual Palestinian/Israeli state. This is what Blair and all socialists want, but I figure Bush will push for this anyway as a way of leaving a watermark on his administration.



posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by edsinger
Well Mr. Blair knows who his allies are as do we.....

The French are concerned about well......the French.


Still, nothing of great value.

America & Britain will always be friends because its in their mutual interests, France will look out for France because thats generally what normal countries do.



posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 11:21 PM
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The only good thing about France from a British point of view is that it takes less than thirty minutes to get there and the booze is cheap to bring back to drink in England.



posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 11:34 PM
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Zero asks,


what exactly does the U.K gain by backing the U.S. in a war that has been deemed unjustified by many over the years?
Even if "many" have deemed the war unjust, what has been the results of this condemnation? About zip. Where is any serious opposition to the USA/coalition in this? Big deal. Its time to get used to the idea that we need to look forward to a solution and not back to try and asses blame.

What does the UK gain?
1)international clout. The fact that they have the kind of clout to back the USA and flex their muscle shows that they are still viable as a world leader.
Hello EU, we're still the UK!

2)Access to spoils of war. The USA stated from the start that if you contributed to this effort, you would have access to future dealings here.

3)The abillity to say proudly that they took a stand against not only terrorism, but also stemming the tide of weapons proliferation, and the removal of a tyranical despot giving over 25 million the chance at democratic freedoms. They took a stand and backed it up with actions.
Now underground criminal empires and rouge nations understand that the world community will do something to ensure the overall stabillity.

4)Thanks and respect from many Americans for being true friends and standing with us in a hard time. London is my top european destination to visit should i ever have the $$$ to see it. (The only reason to take the chunnel to France is to say i took a cool trail ride.)

[edit on 15-11-2004 by CazMedia]



posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 11:39 PM
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edsinger, you're fired.

That's all. You're just fired.

In all the time you've been here, you've contributed very little to the discussion table, other than petty name-calling and insults.

I'd love to see some hard info, and an intelligent formalized opinion from you one day. It may provoke stimulating thought.

Just to reiterate: You're only keeping the cycle going.



posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by CazMedia
Zero asks,
London is my top european destination to visit should i ever have the $$$ to see it. (The only reason to take the chunnel to France is to say i took a cool trail ride.)
Believe me London is not the be all and end all of England. In fact the people are generally cold and unwelcoming. Try the North for more civilized and friendly people if you have the chance. France is a great country to visit though. Paris is sublime. I have been on many occasion because it is so cheap to go there, so expensive to eat and drink there. But Parisians are arrogant and ignorant IMO. Beautiful city , strange people.
[edit on 15-11-2004 by CazMedia]



posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 11:46 PM
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Chirac shold just shut the hell up. He only offers critisisms and absolutely no solutions. I think the French have far too much self importance.



posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by Yarnos
Chirac shold just shut the hell up. He only offers critisisms and absolutely no solutions. I think the French have far too much self importance.

Yeah but more importantly they have toomuch nice wine, they should give some to me.



posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 11:54 PM
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Well what exactly did they get in return? Friendship of Bush? En what exactly does that bring? That you can play with in other vendetta´s?
Chirac is right. Now you bash the French for doing what they do, which is, the same as you! They think about themselves, about profit, which is what Bush and the USA also do... maybe normal since most countries do that?
Blair is a sorry asslicker , I really wonder sometimes what is in for him. It sometimes looks like he only acts out of own intrest. He doesn´t listen to his own party. Makes one wonder...



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by The Teller

Originally posted by Yarnos
Chirac shold just shut the hell up. He only offers critisisms and absolutely no solutions. I think the French have far too much self importance.

Yeah but more importantly they have toomuch nice wine, they should give some to me.


Well we could send the Marines into France to ' liberate ' the wineries of their products. Also we should confiscate their suplpy of Brie, they can keep the frogs legs and escargo



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 12:19 AM
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Even if "many" have deemed the war unjust, what has been the results of this condemnation? About zip. Where is any serious opposition to the USA/coalition in this? Big deal. Its time to get used to the idea that we need to look forward to a solution and not back to try and asses blame.


Yes, let's just allow the U.S. to partake in more 'unjust' wars becuase we have deemed all oposition to the war futile. There WAS serious oposition to the war, the biggest being morality and ligitimacy felt by many of the worlds intellects, not these faux pas idiots on CNN.




1)international clout. The fact that they have the kind of clout to back the USA and flex their muscle shows that they are still viable as a world leader.
Hello EU, we're still the UK!



No, you mean that the U.S. had the 'political clout' to influence the U.K. with the umbrage that Saddam had WMD'S and 'links' to Al Queda, of course, of which, has been proven to be false and we are yet to find any. This just showed that the U.K. was ignorant and blatantly believed the lies told to them by the Bush administration without referencing thier own Intelligence and allowing the U.N. to further do thier investigations of the WMD'S programe -- now defunct.

This was not a gain by any means, it just shows that Tony Blair made a haste decision which he will regret with the now ever more perpetuated violence.




2)Access to spoils of war. The USA stated from the start that if you contributed to this effort, you would have access to future dealings here.



Elaborate further please; what exactly 'are' spoils of war?




3)The abillity to say proudly that they took a stand against not only terrorism, but also stemming the tide of weapons proliferation, and the removal of a tyranical despot giving over 25 million the chance at democratic freedoms. They took a stand and backed it up with actions.
Now underground criminal empires and rouge nations understand that the world community will do something to ensure the overall stabillity.


You mean to say that we 'bought' the puesdo-dogma of the U.S. and are now suffering international umbrage towards are country in not only this war, but will for many more to come. You also forgot to tell us how the British can gloat the fact that they decided to leave Osama Bin Laden -- the man responsible for 9/11 -- to run free while we distracted the world with this 'war on terror' in Iraq.

What democracy have you given the Iraqies? The country is in a state of Anarchy as we speak; Hospitals are shut down; the sewer systems are utterly deleterious to the health of the Iraqies; the death tolls will surely rise on both sides; the infrastucture has been torn to bits; the socio-cultural infrastructure will be raped by Islamic fundamentalists who fight for control; These are people indoctrinated in the laws of the Qu'ran and do not even understand democracy: if you wanted to give them self-determination, you would have allowed 'THEM' to have that privilige, not set up a 'PUPPET' goverment and then spew propaganda 24/7...


Deep



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by edsinger
Well Mr. Blair, tell Chirac to stick it where the sun does not shine. What a joke Chirac is.......I hope the UK can see through this weasel of a man.
[edit on 15-11-2004 by edsinger]


The only weasel of a man is Blair himself he has no brain he does what Bush tells him to do i agree with what Chirac says Chirac is a man with his own mind.



posted on Nov, 16 2004 @ 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroDeep
LostSailor, you seem to be 'lost' in the 'context' of this thread.

Also, ed, what exactly does the U.K gain by backing the U.S. in a war that has been deemed unjustified by many over the years?

Deep


Yet, it has also been justified by many also over the years....


and as i recall even democratic politicians, including Clinton, were saying that a war was justifiable before the latest reports that no stockpiles of wmd were found....




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