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300,000 Lose Health Plans In Florida Due to Obamacare

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posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 04:01 PM
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St Udio
why are the 3 tiers of premiums Gold-Silver-Bronze... because those are the winners...
the VA health, the Medicare then last place is the Medicaid level of timely treatment

the 'death' panels are a real deal but highly sanitized... you know how the Police have a Blue Code of Silence
well the Medical-Insurance-0bamacare have just such a code - a surgical mask of silence about your/our healthcare



Now that you put it that way is more insidious that I realized.




posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 05:14 PM
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thesaneone
reply to post by AlienScience
 


When the government forces you to buy a product then it is government run.


No, it's not. It is government mandated, but the government is not running the health insurance plans.

There is a big difference, only the willful ignorant or the intentionally deceptive are stating otherwise at this point.



posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 05:19 PM
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So in your confuse by obamacrap mind you think that paying more for insurance covering the same that the ones people already have is good for th people because what?


Read the article.

The plans that were discontinued were not up to the ACA standards...meaning they didn't provide adequate coverage.

So I don't know where you get the idea they are "paying more for insurance covering the same".

And keep up with the silly little names for legislation...that makes you look really mature and intelligent.



posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 06:52 PM
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You know, I have stated this before, but I don't think people believe me.

We didn't need Obamacare to begin with, what we needed was a way to do away entirely with health insurance.

If no one had health insurance, no one would be able to go to the doctor because of how expensive it is.

If no one can go to the doctor, healthcare providers lose money. If healthcare providers lose money, they quickly begin lowering their rates so that people can actually pay for care.

The entire concept of insurance is a ridiculous ponzi scheme.

Healthcare is expensive because healthcare providers know that insurance companies will help to foot the bill, no matter the cost. So health prices steadily increase.



posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 06:58 PM
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And since when the government knows what standards are all about, I guess history elude many this days, government standards are full of agendas and targeted interest and then more agendas. Individual private citizens knows what they want when they pay for insurance out of their pockets, Obama lie to American people, now they have to pay more out of their pockets.

Learn my friend, learn, I have insurance all my life, my husband and me, no corrupted government is going to tell me what works for me or not, after having the same insurance for last 20 years, two major surgeries (removal of organs) and two outpatient ones,( fixing injuries), my insurance never have fail me.

Now the government is going to tell me what I need or do not need? I think I am a bit too old for that crap now.
edit on 23-10-2013 by marg6043 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 07:03 PM
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You are right, this was a power grab of the working productive class, when statistic shows that only a 20 percent of the population within the very poor and old were the ones with pre existing conditions or life time care.

Rather than helping that portion of the population it will have been cheaper and more targeted without handling in a silver platter to the insurance companies the working class, that most actually have insurance with their employers.

Banning insurers from no offering plan to pre existing conditions population would have been enough.

But you know how the government works thanks to the millions of lobbying money they get pay to be whores to private interest.

The worst thing is that the 20 percent do no even qualify for obamacrap

The irony.



posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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I just got a 500 dollar bill for my wifes emergency visit for her miscarriage...

Happened the day the ACA went into place.

My deductable apparently had to change, it was buried in the plan documents, the blame I was given when I called in was it was due to the change in the ACA.

My normal 100 dollar deductible for emergency service will now remain at 500...
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Yea thanks for making health care affordable jack assess.



posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 07:54 PM
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500 dollars is standard around here in my neck of the woods for the emergency room visit.

I wonder if you are just paying the deductibles still and that is why is so high.

Darn my deductible is only 25 dollars under my insurance regardless if I get to have surgery after the emergency room visit.

That is all I paid plus food for the last time I had surgery after been in the emergency room, total cost less than 100 dollars, I wonder how much everything will go for me if I chose to go with the Obamacrap exchange, oh I forgot we got no exchange as we only have one hospital in the area. BTW my insurance has no deductibles.



posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 08:08 PM
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marg6043
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500 dollars is standard around here in my neck of the woods for the emergency room visit.

I wonder if you are just paying the deductibles still and that is why is so high.

Darn my deductible is only 25 dollars under my insurance regardless if I get to have surgery after the emergency room visit.

That is all I paid plus food for the last time I had surgery after been in the emergency room, total cost less than 100 dollars, I wonder how much everything will go for me if I chose to go with the Obamacrap exchange, oh I forgot we got no exchange as we only have one hospital in the area. BTW my insurance has no deductibles.


Im sitting here looking at my card that says 100, I didn't change crap, I didn't use Obama care, Ive always had great ins, The 100 deductible was really the only one we actually had, for emergency visits.

I just recently got over having to pay for prescriptions, again excuse was cost of ACA implementation, just seems to me the INS companies got a free card to jack everyones rates.

You know to pay for the cost of it all...



posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 09:51 PM
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marg6043
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And since when the government knows what standards are all about, I guess history elude many this days, government standards are full of agendas and targeted interest and then more agendas. Individual private citizens knows what they want when they pay for insurance out of their pockets, Obama lie to American people, now they have to pay more out of their pockets.

Learn my friend, learn, I have insurance all my life, my husband and me, no corrupted government is going to tell me what works for me or not, after having the same insurance for last 20 years, two major surgeries (removal of organs) and two outpatient ones,( fixing injuries), my insurance never have fail me.

Now the government is going to tell me what I need or do not need? I think I am a bit too old for that crap now.
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Speaking of history...maybe you have forgot that your posting history is visible to everyone.

The government apparently has been telling you what you do need as far as insurance goes...and apparently you used to be very happy with your government insurance.

Let me share a quote of yours from a few years ago

www.abovetopsecret.com...

BTW My husband is a retired Marine and we have government insurance for the last 10 years, is no free but has so far been good to us specially when I had two major surgeries those two 10 years and once diagnosed my surgeries were within weeks not months or waiting list or years, I see my doctor any time I want too and the most I have pay for my medications is 9 dollars .

So I have experience on how the government runs health care for people like the Military retirees.

Yes the government can be very efficient when it wants too



So how are you going to complain about the evil government being involved in insurance when you were happily promoting your own government insurance a few years ago?
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posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 11:15 PM
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The gov determines all fees. The gov sets all doctor salaries.



posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 11:17 PM
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You forget that the reason we got the insurance we got, "Government subsidized" is because my husband is a retired marine that actually do not have to pay for health insurance when he can got to the veterans hospital.

And for the government, yes they can be efficient when it comes to those that serve the country, Because they have to but when it comes to private interest pay offs they screw the population any way they can.

Lean my friend, learn how deceiving the government is, my husband and I will be affected by Obamacrap when our deductibles triple and so the premiums this has been waiting in congress since March of this year.

So even we are to get slam by Obamacrap, so the government is not so caring about their retired military after all.

I really, really feel sorry for you and the blind way you try to protect what is nothing but corruption and deceiving trash.

Hopefully Obamacrap will fail.



posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 11:20 PM
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BTW I fee honored to be scrutinized with such commitment by you and also I never promoted any government at all.

That is your own interpretation. he, he.

This is the whole content of that post.


The only way to shake the foundation's of private insurance is with a Public option that any American can qualify for it.

And the promise that no America will be deny health care for any reasons.

But the problem here is that so far mandatory private health care insurance is nothing but another way to allow private insurance to keep their shady practices and gouge the consumer more while the government uses tax payer funds to subsidize those than can not afford it.

Meanwhile the rest of the nation tax payer will have to then pay for no only Medicare and Medicaid but also for those that can not qualified and then for their own mandatory private insurance coverage.

Without public option is not such thing as health care reform.

BTW My husband is a retired Marine and we have government insurance for the last 10 years, is no free but has so far been good to us specially when I had two major surgeries those two 10 years and once diagnosed my surgeries were within weeks not months or waiting list or years, I see my doctor any time I want too and the most I have pay for my medications is 9 dollars .

So I have experience on how the government runs health care for people like the Military retirees.

Yes the government can be very efficient when it wants too


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posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 11:25 PM
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worldwatcher
Can I ask why are people not OUTRAGED at the INSURANCE COMPANIES who are making millions in profits and still cutting people??? Everyone is blaming OBAMACARE but no one, not one government official or citizen group is addressing the real issue which is the INSURANCE COMPANIES????? why is that???

It seems like we all have a problem with the Band-Aid (obamacare) while we ignore the actual sore (insurance companies)


As I recall, Obamacare was created between the Insurance companies and the Dem politicians. Of course, the Insurance companies made sure they would profit -- they're businesses, they're all about profit.

And you thought this was about our health care. LOL

PS I see I left out Big Pharma. Read about Liz Fowler here:

“The White House defended its ethics record on Wednesday after reports surfaced that one of its top health care policy officials was leaving the administration to take a job at a pharmaceutical giant.”

“Liz Fowler left her post as deputy director of the Office of Consumer Information and Oversight at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services for a senior position in Johnson & Johnson's government affairs and policy group....”

www.huffingtonpost.com...



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posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 11:47 PM
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You seem to be confused.

Praising government involvement first, then bashing it.

In your older post, you were advocating for a public option...that IS government run insurance...and that is what you were advocating.

Don't get me wrong, I wish we had that too...but Obama and the Democrats had to make some compromises with the Republicans to even get this onto the floor to vote on it.



posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 11:52 PM
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marg6043
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That statement is going to come back and bit Obama and his crap insurance on his butt because already is been look at by various group as a impeachment reason for lying to the public.

This is developing as we speak and the group that were lie to keeps growing and becoming very angry as a matter of effect.

As the people keep finding that they will have to foot more for insurance under Obama crap than with their existing premiums things are going to be heading once again to the Supreme court for the government deceiving practices....

What I will like to know is when Obama is going to address the working class about the deceiving way he lie to them.



Your faith in the Supreme Court is touching. SCOTUS cannot be counted on to protect the American people.

There's a nasty rumor that Chief Justice Roberts was blackmailed into finding a way to make the Obamacare penalty constitutional (when it clearly isn't). (Think of all the calls & emails that NSA has collected over the years. Could they have found something useful to coerce Roberts? I think it's very possible.)

I suspect Roberts was told to find some way to make the penalty legal or else. Chicago-style.

Which is why Bill O'Reilly was so shocked when Chief Roberts declared the unconstitutional penalty for not buying insurance would be legal if it was a TAX.



posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 11:52 PM
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but Obama and the Democrats had to make some compromises with the Republicans to even get this onto the floor to vote on it.



Yet no Republicans voted for the bill. Zero House, Zero Senate.

Those 'compromises' were between Democrats themselves, and business lobbyists.



posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 11:53 PM
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That is why I voted for Obama the first time, yes I wanted the poor to be under insurance and everybody to be treated the same equally.

I felt for Obama lies of hope and change that is why I 2008 I gave my vote to him, that is why I was all for the government to get private insurance out of business and give the people what they needed. I have never hide the fact that I voted for him.

What a joke all that became, hey thank for bringing that old post back, it does bring memories of how naïve I was

We can only learn from experiences.



posted on Oct, 23 2013 @ 11:57 PM
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Is another reason, see even with all the conspiracy theories about why Roberts did what he did, he actually made a mess of the Obama mandate, still the Obama crap will go back to the supreme court as only the mandated part of it was up for debate, only until is in effect it could be challenged again.

And I still have faith.



posted on Oct, 24 2013 @ 12:03 AM
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marg6043
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That is why I voted for Obama the first time, yes I wanted the poor to be under insurance and everybody to be treated the same equally.

I felt for Obama lies of hope and change that is why I 2008 I gave my vote to him, that is why I was all for the government to get private insurance out of business and give the people what they needed. I have never hide the fact that I voted for him.

What a joke all that became, hey thank for bringing that old post back, it does bring memories of how naïve I was

We can only learn from experiences.


I wouldn't say you were naïve per se. But you do need to understand the difference between what a President wants to do and what a President can do.

Obama knew after the 2008 campaign that the country was not ready for single payer, he knew that the cries of socialism and fear mongering from the Right were too strong. So he went for what he thought he could get through...which was single payer lite...aka, the public option. He knew that if he could get the public option in the legislation that it wouldn't be long before people saw that it was much better to be on the public option than on private insurance.

Unfortunately, our society wasn't even ready for that. We still got cries of socialism and more fear mongering from the Right. This spooked many Democratic congressmen who were worried about supporting something with the taint of "socialism" on it...and they balked. This forced Obama to drop the public option to at least get some reform through...and he got it done.

It's not perfect, but it is a huge step in the right direction. No more pre-existing conditions, no more lifetime caps, no more annual caps, no more special pregnancy insurance, no more children being left to die because they had asthma and their parents didn't disclose it, no more denial of coverage...ever.

This is a temporary solution until our population smartens up a little and notices how the countries with single payer systems are so much better off than we are.

So you can spend you time crying over spilt milk, or you can realize that this is still a huge step forward...even if it isn't the final solution you hoped for. It wasn't the solution I hoped for either...but progress is progress, and being mad about not getting everything you wanted doesn't help move forward...it just helps those that want to move backwards.



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