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Tonight, a brain surgeon called into Mark Levin’s radio show and said that he had just recently visited Washington DC to review Obama’s new health care plan for advanced neurosurgical care for patients over 70 years old, issued by HHS. The plan, that included “ethics panels”, stated that if your were over 70 years old and on government supported healthcare and you visited an emergency room, you get “comfort care”:
Here’s an expert from the call:
Caller: Basically what the document stated was that if you were over 70 and you’d come into an emergency room and you’re on government supported health care, that you’d get “comfort care”.
Mark Levin: Wait a minute…what’s the source for this?
Caller: This is Obama’s new health care plan for advanced neurosurgical care.
Mark Levin: And who issued this? HHS?
Caller: Yes. And basically they don’t call them patients, they call them units. And instead of – they call it “ethics panels” or “ethics committees”, would get together and meet and decide where the money would go for hospitals, and basically for patients over 70 years of age, that advanced neurosurgical care was not generally indicated.
Mark Levin: So it’s generally going to be denied?
Caller: Yes, absolutely. …If someone comes in at 70 years of age with a bleed in their brain, I can promise you I’m not going to get a bunch of administrators together on an ethics panel at 2 in the morning to decide that I’m OK to do surgery.
reply to post by liveandlearn
Thanks for the info. That sure explains why the doctor just told my husband he was TOO OLD to have the testing done that he needed.
reply to post by WarminIndy
You are a very confused person. Please allow me to disabuse you of some of your more ridiculous beliefs.
Fox News is the MSM. Fox News has a larger share of the cable news market than all other cable news channels COMBINED.
Glenn Beck is also part of the MSM. He's got one of the top 10 radio shows in the country. Political talk radio is almost exclusively the domain of conservatives. As a matter of fact, the top 2 radio shows in the country are hosted by Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.
When you make ludicrous statements about what Glenn Beck was saying while the MSM was bashing Fox News, you're very hard to take seriously. Did you even bother to read any of the other posts or did you just see "death panels" and feel compelled to go on a nonsensical rant? Maybe you're suffering from the effects of conservative MSM brainwashing in the form of key words and phrases repeated thousands of times. You've drawn asinine comparisons to Hitler and claimed that liberals view Obama as a "messiah" as well--basically all you've demonstrated is that facts don't inform your beliefs.
If you could please point out anything in the ACA that establishes a death panel, I would personally love to see it and then maybe I could be enraged too. Try substantiating your argument with evidence, not pleas to ignorance.
June 5 2010, Newsweek editor Evan Thomas appeared on MSNBC’s Hardball with Chris Matthews, and explained Obama’s exalted status and role in the world. Thomas said Obama has a very different job than President Reagan, who, Thomas said disdainfully, “was all about America”. Thomas said Obama is “we’re above all that now.” Then, he waxes positively Danish: “I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God.”
...This rhetoric has been so successful that some young students on the fringe are calling for outright extermination of older people to make way for them and to free up funds for their education. No joke....
USE OF GAS CHAMBERS
“We should find ourselves committed to killing a great many people whom we now leave living, and to leave living a great many people whom we at present kill. We should have to get rid of all ideas about capital punishment …
A part of eugenic politics would finally land us in an extensive use of the lethal chamber. A great many people would have to be put out of existence simply because it wastes other people’s time to look after them.”
Source: George Bernard Shaw, Lecture to the Eugenics
Education Society, Reported in The Daily Express, March 4,
KILLING THOSE “UNFIT TO LIVE”
“The moment we face it frankly we are driven to the conclusion that the community has a right to put a price on the right to live in it … If people are fit to live, let them live under decent human conditions. If they are not fit to live, kill them in a decent human way. Is it any wonder that some of us are driven to prescribe the lethal chamber as the solution for the hard cases which are at present made the excuse for dragging all the other cases down to their level, and the only solution that will create a sense of full social responsibility in modern populations?”
Source: George Bernard Shaw, Prefaces (London: Constable
and Co., 1934), p. 296.
These are not isolated statements made at some point in his
life. These statements and many others were made over
decades consistently and repetitively. Here’s another:
“Under Socialism, you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live, you would have to live well.”
George Bernard Shaw: The Intelligent Woman’s Guide to
Socialism and Capitalism, 1928, pg. 470) .
In the video below, in a clip from a highly recommended
documentary called ‘The Soviet Story’ you see and hear Shaw
clearly state his murderous ideology....
SOURCE: The Real George Bernard Shaw – Fabian Socialist
... the origin of Britain’s welfare state begin with the Minority Report of the Royal Commission on the Poor Laws, drafted by Sidney and Beatrice Webb during the first decade of the 20th century. Beneath their seemingly compassionate rhetoric, the founders of the Fabian Society were snobbish, elitist and harboured a savage contempt for the poorest of the poor. Both husband and wife were enthusiastic supporters of the eugenics movement, which held that most of the behavioural traits that led to poverty were inherited. In short, that the poor were genetically inferior to the educated middle class....
...Beatrice Webb regarded eugenics as ‘the most important question’ of all, while her husband revealed the statist and dirigiste character of the movement with his declaration that ‘no eugenicist can be a laissez faire individualist… he must interfere, interfere, interfere!’....
...Leonard Darwin set about lobbying the government to act. He wanted to set up flying squads of scientists, armed with powers of arrest over the poor, to tour the country weeding out the ‘unfit’. T...were to be segregated in special colonies or sterilised. One politician who supported such draconian measures in parliament was the Labour MP Will Crooks, who described the targets of the eugenics campaign as ‘like human vermin’...
Another Fabian eugenicist, the writer H.G. Wells, vented his frustration and indignation in a direct address to the working class. ‘We cannot go on giving you health, freedom, enlargement, limitless wealth, if all our gifts to you are to be swamped by an indiscriminate torrent of progeny,’ he complained, ‘…and we cannot make the social life and the world-peace we are determined to make, with the ill-bred, ill-trained swarms of inferior citizens that you inflict upon us.’ ....
In 1913, the eugenicists succeeded in getting the Mental Incapacity Act through parliament. As a result, some 40,000 men and women were incarcerated without trial, having been deemed to fall into various specious categories such as ‘feeble-minded’ or ‘morally defective’. This latter description was used to imprison petty criminals, unmarried mothers or those displaying homosex-ual inclinations — all, allegedly, clear signs that they possessed the sort of defective genes believed to be conducive to pauperism....
... the act was frequently used as an instrument of oppression against the chronically poor. That suited the eugenicists just fine. They were by no means reticent in declaring their true agenda — the containment and segregation of what they termed the ‘social residuum’....
If the government is in charge of paying for your health care, including extorting money from you to pay it, then they have a vested interest in having control over not only your finances but also every action, behavior and habit you have or have ever had. As well the cost to benefit ratio of your very life will be determined much the same way as any other government-funded grant or project. If you are not deemed to be worth the cost then diseases will be allowed to run their course without treatment.
And there is a bell curve that exists designed by Ezekial Emmanual as part of the LIVES system which basically gives priority to young, healthy people over the very young and the very old.
A Bitter Fight Over Forced Sterilization
Riddick is one of an estimated 7,600 North Carolinians sterilized under the state’s eugenics program. On the books from 1929-74, its goal was to keep those deemed to have undesirable traits from having kids. The vast majority marked for sterilization were minorities, poor, undereducated, institutionalized, sick, or disabled. Eighty-five percent were female, some as young as 10 years old.
All too easily, America has fallen into the posture of believing racism is solely the property of Republicans and Conservatives. The truth is much different. Few know, or acknowledge, the Republican Party’s efforts to bring about Civil Rights legislation. The first article below has the timeline of Civil Rights Legislation. Click the link, and if you are interested only in the modern-day Civil Rights Act of 1964, skipped down the list to that year.
August 11, 2011 at 7:17 pm
In answer to PL, The Republicans NEVER abandoned the Blacks. I think you assume the opposition to labor unions was racist. Who BROUGHT labor unions to the US? The communists did.
Once you have labor unions in control of a private business, the rest of the country suffers because prices go up to cover the fat salaries and retirement packages. The union organizers used the black worker. Obviously, you haven’t looked into real historical documentation.
They used them in their protesting and picketing and then incited violence leaving the scene only to leave the black members to take the beating and get arrested. There were several notable blacks who left the Communist Party (behind union organization in the US) because they KNEW they were being used. They KNEW the union bosses had contempt for them.
Why do you think Johnson passed the Welfare and Food Stamp Acts! Why do you think he said, as he signed one of the civil rights bills, “We lost the Black Vote” Why did he say that? Because the Republicans pushed for the Civil Rights Bills.
Did you know that it was Eisenhower while in command of the military during WWII, desegregated the Military? Did you know that it was Eisenhower who introduced the FIRST Civil Rights Bill in 1957? Did you know that the voting records of Congress are a matter of public record and that Johnson AND Kennedy voted NO? Did you know that it was Democrats who stripped that Bill of its protections which is why they had to write two more bills in the 60s?
And YES, MLK WAS a Republican until the Democrats promised him a line of BS. The KKK was the violent arm of the Democrap Party. I spent the first 30 voting years of my life as a Democrap; now I’m angry because I’ve been lied to by those slimy cretins. What the Republicans care about is that EVERYONE has an equal opportunity. The Democraps want equal outcome. Take a look around, the “monied elite” are ALL uber liberal progressives. They control the media, Wall St & all trial lawyers are liberal elites. The liberals put the moniker of “racist” on the Republicans without proof.
If Republicans don’t want affirmative action it’s because it doesn’t create young people who want to work harder and become successful on their own merits. It creates an entitlement generation, folks who think they are owed something. No one owes ME anything. I can stand on my own feet, I EARN the accolades I receive. Affirmative Action doesn’t create excellence. Our Constitution and other documents were written for a reason and if we don’t adhere to them as our founders intended, we end up with big government, one that resembles socialism, the very antithesis of what was intended.
They were very intelligent men who understood that the role of government should exist ONLY to protect the rights of citizens, their individual liberties which they laid out in the Bill of Rights. The role of the federal government was meant to ONLY develop a military to protect our borders and prevent invasion or attack. A strong military is intimidating to a would be attacker. ALL other control was meant to be with the People at each states level. When you have an over-reaching government, it resembles a dictator, a monarchy.
Our founders had it right the first time creating a level playing field but the Democrats won control of Congress and continued slavery until war was inevitable. They’ve deceived, lied, robbed, killed, tortured and to this day, they lie, deceive and rob. They stir up hate where none exists to throw suspicion off of themselves. They stink with the filthy odor of deceit. Your president who claimed to be the “great uniter” has been anything BUT that. To this day, after many requests from Dr Wayne Perryman, the Democrat Party has refused to apologize for their racism. They lie to the Press and tell them the Rev is asking for money but his documented missive merely requests an apology.
THIS is YOUR Democrat Party,sir. The Democrat Party you claim is omnipotent as you place blame on the Republican Party. Shame on you.
It’s obvious your sources are all liberal ones from some elitist university professor, on the dole; one who continues to spread the lies about our countrys history. You say, not so? Then tell me, why is the history of the Reconstruction Period to THIS DAY eliminated from our textbooks? Why do we not learn who Revels was, or Rainey, Long, DeLarge or Elliot? You know the answer is because the Democraps don’t want school kids to learn the racist history of their Party and that the Republicans ARE the champions of the colored race. The shame is on YOUR Party, sir, NOT mine. By the way, ALL of my black family members have switched political parties to the Republican Party.
reply to post by crimvelvet
In summary, the purpose of this board is to keep Medicare within budget and it's proposal can be nullified by Congress. Private insurers have actuaries of their own who perform a similar function while also considering the company's profit margin and without any oversight by Congress or an explicit mandate of preserving the quality of care for patients. I don't recall seeing any conservatives outraged by "death panels" STILL employed by private insurers who are at least limited in their ability to deny coverage by protections contained within the ACA.
edit on 25-10-2013 by theantediluvian because: (no reason given)
Obama in the 2007 New Hampshire primary said "You will have an epiphany, that light will shine through the window and tell you to vote for Obama".
Hmm, Obama says you will have an epiphany, the light will tell you to vote for Obama? Was he speaking metaphorically? Was Chris Matthews speaking metaphorically about the tingle going up his leg?
I could spend hours poring over every speech, every image and every video from the liberal side who has presented this, but it will take too much time. Exactly who was drawing the paintings of him as messiah? Oh right, liberals were. Exactly who has been making the comparisons of him and Jesus? Oh right, the liberals were.
It wasn't the conservatives who were presenting this, conservatives were saying "He's not god", but as much as the conservatives have said it, the liberals with their tee-shirts, posters, yard signs, bumper stickers and every other accoutrement have embraced an image that most didn't even question what it means.
It came from the liberal side, so stop accusing conservatives of giving bites. The liberals swallowed it hook, line and sinker and then can't figure out how they were caught. He's the liberal messiah, so let the liberal messiah save them.
Was Chris Matthews speaking metaphorically about the tingle going up his leg?
liberals with their tee-shirts, posters, yard signs, bumper stickers
“What he should do is whatever he wants to do,” Paul replied. “That’s what freedom is all about, taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to prepare to take care of everybody…”
“Are you saying society should just let him die?” Blitzer asked.
The audience responded with shouts of “Yes!”
“We’ve given up on this concept that we might take care of ourselves, assume responsibility for ourselves, our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it,” Paul explained. “This is the reason the cost is so high… We have lack of competition. There’s no competition in medicine. Everybody’s protected by licensing ”
In 1972 the United States Congress passed legislation authorizing the End Stage Renal Disease Program (ESRD) under Medicare. Section 299I of Public Law 92-603, passed on October 30, 1972, extended Medicare coverage to Americans if they had stage five chronic kidney disease (CKD) and were otherwise qualified under Medicare's work history requirements. The program's launch was July 1, 1973. Previously only those over 65 could qualify for Medicare benefits. This entitlement is nearly universal, covering over 90% of all U.S. citizens with severe CKD.