Why ObamaCare is a fantastic success

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posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 09:46 AM
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www.foxnews.com...




1. ObamaCare was intended to bring about the Marxist dream -- redistribution of wealth.
Rich people, small business owners, and the middle class are being robbed, so that the money can be redistributed to poor people (who vote for Democrats).

Think about it. If you’re rich or middle class, you now have to pay for your own health care costs (at much higher rates) AND 40 million other people’s costs too (through massive tax increases).

So you’re stuck paying for both bills. You are left broke. Brilliant.

2. ObamaCare was intended to wipe out the middle class and make them dependent on government.
Think about it. Even Obama’s IRS predicts that health insurance for a typical American family by 2016 will be $20,000 per year. But how would middle class Americans pay that bill and have anything left for food or housing or living? People that make $40K, or $50K, or $60K can’t possibly hope to spend $20K on health insurance without becoming homeless.

Bingo. That’s how you make middle class people dependent on government. That’s how you make everyone addicted to government checks. Brilliant.


Scary stuff. I think the author does a great job of spelling everything out.




posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 09:59 AM
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It also should be noted that even though an individual or family pays for health insurance, if a serious medical problem arises or even a trip to the ER, they still will be expected to pay a significant portion out of pocket.

In my humble opinion, the insurance industry has taken over the United States.



posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 10:03 AM
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It also should be noted that even though an individual or family pays for health insurance, if a serious medical problem arises or even a trip to the ER, they still will be expected to pay a significant portion out of pocket.

In my humble opinion, the insurance industry has taken over the United States.


Focus in this article seems to be around the middle class not being able to afford the ACA... How will the poor be able to afford it? How does the govt expect those making less than $20k a year to be able to pay for their monthly premiums plus their high deductibles?



posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 10:07 AM
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As soon as I found, last year, that Obamacare was written by the health insurance industry, I knew it was going to be a disaster. Seeing the effect of it on the working class is absolutely chilling. What an amazingly deceitful Trojan Horse this is......who would have thought that health care insurance for all would be the instrument of destruction?

I still feel it is unconstitutional to force people to buy a product from private industry just because you're alive. America, can you sink any lower? Unfortunately, the answer is yes.



posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 10:11 AM
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That, right there, is the part that burns my buns to a crisp.

I've spent my whole working life paying for Medicare/Medicaid/Social Sec. Everyone who works in the United States has. On your payroll stub, it's listed as FICA. That has been your "premium", as it were, to help those in the system ..or yourself, when you reached the age to qualify short of anything coming sooner.

Now, we are STILL PAYING the FICA, at the same rate. In addition to that, this demands membership with, as you note, terms that make it worthless to most people before their financial destruction.

I don't know about anyone else...but hundreds a month (for a cheap estimate I've seen quoted thus far) to get a plan that won't pay a dime of benefit until out of pocket crosses many thousands (perhaps $10,000+?!?!) is financial death to a middle class home with major illness.

What the heck changed? Prior to Obamacare, a major illness was bankruptcy, almost automatically. Now? A major illness is bankruptcy and 100% automatic ....since the monthly running cost leaves nothing for an "almost" anymore.

I'm missing where we came out better somehow?
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posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 10:19 AM
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Well now maybe the middle class will finally get off their Iphones long enough to actually do something. This is what happens when American citizens are too preoccupied with their own lives and let someone else take care of the details without getting involved.

This also proves what I have been saying since day one, there is no such thing as free healthcare. Someone eventually has to pay for this pyramid scheme. If me and my husband didn't already have healthcare, Obamacare would cost us over $18,000. How many taxpayers does it take to cover over $9,000 per person?

This isn't just simple redistribution, this is a windfall for the poor. And the costs will force those that are paying for the windfall to opt out and and pay the penalty. So the end result is that the middle class will be providing something for the poor that they will no longer be able to afford for themselves. So in a sense, Obamacare will turn the middle class into slaves for the poor.



posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 10:19 AM
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How does Canada, the UK... or any other country with national health care do it? Is theirs as much of a financial disaster as obamacare?

Sure I've heard bad things about Canada's healthcare.. such as not being able to get certain procedures done that might save your life simply because you're too old, or your request process runs in to a crapton of red tape...

Is anything else successful are administering a national healthcare policy?



posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 10:22 AM
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its ( now haha ) called cancer mining
one of the last resources the US has is the money that will be squeezed out of the peeps as they gradually all succumb to the stuff in the vaccines and the food and the water and the air (etc) that was put there to make them sick
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posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 10:24 AM
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How do they do it? Try having their citizens pay a 60% income tax, that's how. Nothing in life is ever free, and it amazes me that anyone can still possibly even think this.



posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 10:27 AM
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There is an attempt to privatize healthcare in Canada, at least in Québec.

The private healthcare we now have costs a lot, but from what I've experienced, they keep telling us the public system is too busy but, they have not enough nurses working full time, so they NEED to force part time nurses to do lots and lots and lots of overtime, leading to higher costs.
Nowadays, if you go tot the hospital, you will be waiting for hours and hours, and you will see them all talking about the latest reality show for 20 minutes, not taking care of anyone in the meanwhile.

When they notice YOU notice, they close the door that allow you to see them being lazy.

And I think the "private" system has the right to use public tools, making public healthcare pass in second.



posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 10:30 AM
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Ah, I see.



posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 10:31 AM
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Canada is the way it is because it doe snot have the extreme politics of the USA. Both parties are pretty centered and even the conservatives "care" about everyone, while liberals are not always "liberal" on issues.

To put it simply Canada is more social.

Of course you will have the 10% of people having trouble with healthcare, that is only because their condition are not "normal" aka, transplant etc. I think it make sense to give a organ to 20yr old person over an 60 yr old person.

Oh yeah, Canada has private healthcare as well, if you want it VIP, you just pay for it.

A healthy young person in Canada is actually at a loss, because we don't use the healthcare much, while people much older get more benefit from it.

We all pay the tax, not many complains. Different country, different mindset.
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posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 10:33 AM
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The agenda does not seem to be healthcare anymore sooooooo with the high costs passed on to the working class people I'm not sure how long they can support the people on government assistance.

It would seem a lot more working class people will end up on government assist, who pays the bills then, what will happen to the tax base and when the money runs out what happens to the people on gov assist ??

Does "cut off your nose to site your face" come to mind ?
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posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 10:35 AM
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I have not seen many "fooling around" in Toronto, probably because its a major city, i have seen the "laid" back attitude in small town up north.



posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 10:42 AM
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Cloward-Piven.

Hate repeating myself, but it's Cloward-Piven.



posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 10:49 AM
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In Québec, we are the province who pays the more taxes of all the country. We pay to the province and we pay to the federal.

There are "programs" where Ottawa splits the money to all the provinces.

That said, in Québec, about he 3% of the richest people we have pay for 30% of social programs. They are still very billionaires or multimillionaires.

Their imposition rate is between 35 to 40 % of their income. But many make money by selling products and services to governments, so... In other words; we make them rich, they help a bit.

The "low" class will have 0% imposition on their income. Middle class will be imposed between 15 to 17 % of their income. But most ask that up to 23% gets taken so we don't pay more at the end of the year.

With consumer taxes, you could say the imposition of their income gets to or around 50%.

And apparently, we are the province where there is a full time corruption system in place.

Also, we now pay a little fee each year as "insurance" for healthcare meds, if I'm not mistaken.



posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 10:53 AM
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We live near a big hospital south of Montreal. Since a few years ago, they decided they would not treat children anymore.

We have to tell them to treat the child first, then we will go elsewhere. They are a lousy bunch.

The Montreal Children Hospital, where there is a high level of ethnicity in the staff as well as in the customers is one of the most efficient we have seen to date around here.



posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 11:04 AM
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luciddream

A healthy young person in Canada is actually at a loss, because we don't use the healthcare much, while people much older get more benefit from it.


It would be an unfair scenario if not for the reality that each young person one day gets old



posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 11:24 AM
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Otrauma's handlers haven't failed at anything.

The alleged "failure" of the website owned by Obama fund raisers and political cronies on which he spent nearly half a billion dollars was intended to NOT succeed - from day one. 'They' always knew that the ACA would never even get off the ground - let alone actually work. The aim has always been to use the ACA in order to usher in a Marxist oriented "Single Payer System," which is what all of the top officials guiding this entire matter - from Pelosi to Reid and on down. Many republicans are in favor as well.

Single payer is a Marxist system wherein the government has total and complete control of all aspects of American life and lives, and is to be implemented 'socially' (socialistically actually), and will be enforced (through force) by means of the Fascist system already in place, but is the 'political' counterpart of the social aspect brought to bear through the Marxist approach - both complementing one another very well.

The ACA is actually the fulfillment - the apotheosis, if you will of both systems merging and cooperating with each other - the proverbial "well oiled machine." Hitler had the same idea as regards the bringing together of both seemingly disparate ideologies, into a single system, but was obviously unable to see it through.

Otrauma is the modern version of Adolph Hitler and OtraumaCare is the vehicle - the weapon actually - to be used to carry through with his own version of the Third Reich, which is reasonable (to him and his handlers) because of the abject failure of the original plan for the Third Reich - remember National Socialism as implemented by means of a Fascist state - re: Nazism. You think this is mere hyperbole? Go ahead and think whatever you want.

BTW - knowledge is several notches above mere opinion.
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posted on Oct, 22 2013 @ 12:19 PM
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There is a simply truth to this. Prior to this month, the poor were taken care of by the many systems in place. The rich were taken care of by the many systems in place.

Now, the poor may not be taken care of, the middle swath is probably not going to be taken care of, but the rich are fine.

I find it interesting that Food, Water, Shelter are not tax deductible, but you HAVE to pay for insurance even if you can't eat. Really consider that for a moment, if you are in poor health because you cannot feed yourself there is a strong chance you may have to go to the doctor.





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