Mason Compass Symbol Baphomet Symbol When Turned Upside Down?

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posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 11:05 AM
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Indeed you do and I enjoy what you have have to say. It makes for a good discussion.

I was replying to Stashman comments and meant no slight to you my friend.




posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 03:09 PM
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VeritasAequitas
Does it matter if I am a non-mason, when my comments were based on the beliefs and writings of real masons?


Only if you are going to try and explain what the symbols mean by using your, or other people's, opinions.



posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 04:43 PM
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muzzleflash
Ok folks, I will reveal something "EnLIGHTening" for you all.

The symbol of the Square is the Square of LIGHT C^2 (Chi X)

The Compass symbolizes the Circle, which is Rotation of Mass (Rho P)


Therefore Square and Compass =
Squaring the Circle
Chi Rho (RX - XP)
MC^2

The "G" stands for many many words, including Geometry, God, and Generative.
Also it is the "E" in the "MC^2" Equation.

Einstein said it best "Reading the Mind of God".
Math = God's Language
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I like answers and replies like this one. I want to know more.



posted on Dec, 11 2013 @ 04:47 AM
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Thanks, as you are interested I will copy links of some threads I wrote that you should check out for additional info.





Jesus is Lucifer the Hidden Unicorn

Deafened by the NepTUNE of the Holy Spear-It

Chi Rho = MC^2

The Art of Shadow Ash and the Shade of the Sha

I have a ton of stuff I will continue adding to the last one about the Sha.
Will try to add a few more pages of info this week.

Keep in mind as the writing progresses so does my own mentality so expect tons of twists and turns.



This should keep you busy for awhile, if you have any questions or notice any major problems let me know.
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posted on Dec, 11 2013 @ 11:03 AM
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I like your work and your way of thinking. Thanks for your reply the links and for your input on ATS.
Cheers.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:56 PM
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Are legitimate masons considered to be 'other people'?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 03:40 PM
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VeritasAequitas
Are legitimate masons considered to be 'other people'?


Yes, and their opinion is just that, an opinion.



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 04:11 AM
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To twist the question a bit to have nothing really to do with the Masonic interpretation, what are some things that a square or circle symbolizes hmm?



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 09:09 AM
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VeritasAequitas
To twist the question a bit to have nothing really to do with the Masonic interpretation, what are some things that a square or circle symbolizes hmm?


We were implicitly discussing the meaning in Masonry, everything else is irrelevant to the thread.



posted on Dec, 17 2013 @ 06:27 AM
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VeritasAequitas

To twist the question a bit to have nothing really to do with the Masonic interpretation, what are some things that a square or circle symbolizes hmm?


The circle is not a Masonic symbol at all, nor is it used in Masonry.
A point within a circle is, and the compasses are, but not just a circle!



posted on Dec, 17 2013 @ 12:17 PM
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It depends on the group using them. These symbols are not Masonic; symbols are ambiguous and arbitrary. Each person's interpretation will vary depending on their background, their experience, and their knowledge.



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 02:47 AM
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Nice way to dodge the question, so I'll leave it alone.

Saurus & KSig : I am aware that none of these symbols are exclusively "masonic" because to be quite truthful, symbols belong nor are wholly owned by any organization, religion, philosophy, or spirituality. That is why I believe it is asinine to discount the interpretations I have brought up as being untrue or fiction, based solely on explanations within your rituals, or that those are the only interpretations or explanations.
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posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 02:48 AM
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What does a compass make? A circle.. What does a square make? A square.. What do the two overlaid on each other make? A squared circle... Do you know the significance of a squared circle?
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posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 05:46 AM
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VeritasAequitas
That is why I believe it is asinine to discount the interpretations I have brought up as being untrue or fiction, based solely on explanations within your rituals, or that those are the only interpretations or explanations.
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Actually, if you look at the thread title, we are discussing the symbols within the context of Freemasonry. So, not to be rude, but if you want to discuss your take on symbols outside of masonry, perhaps you should start another thread?



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 12:59 PM
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VeritasAequitas

What does a compass make? A circle.. What does a square make? A square..


That doesn't follow...

A pencil is an important Masonic symbol. With it, you can draw an elephant, but an elephant is not a Masonic symbol.

Similarly with the compasses. With them, you can draw a circle, but a circle is not a Masonic symbol.

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posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 01:11 PM
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VeritasAequitas
Nice way to dodge the question, so I'll leave it alone.


Dodge? The topic is about Masonry, your question was not as the symbolism, as has been explained to you by others, does not include a squared circle.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 04:10 PM
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I'm referring to the overall combined symbol of a square and compass overlayed, exactly as Masonry displays it...



But by all means feign ignorance like you have no idea what I am talking about..



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 04:21 PM
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VeritasAequitas
But by all means feign ignorance like you have no idea what I am talking about..


What you are talking about has nothing to do with Masonry, unless you happen to think Network and Saurus are wrong as well.



posted on Dec, 23 2013 @ 09:38 AM
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VeritasAequitas
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I'm referring to the overall combined symbol of a square and compass overlayed, exactly as Masonry displays it...



But by all means feign ignorance like you have no idea what I am talking about..


Actually, even the geometry is wrong...

A true Square and Compasses with right angles (and proportionate angles) must be constructed from the flower of life, not from a squared circle! The geometry requires the square and circle to overlap. A proper Square and Compasess cannot be constructed from your diagram, but can be constructed from the flower of life as follows:

(I've quickly drawn one on CorelDraw using the centrepoints of the flower of life and deleting the circles: )



With that "squaring the cirlcle" stuff, your train of thought is completely wrong. Just because it sounds as though it should be Masonic, it doesn't mean it is.

If you want to better understand the geometry of the Square and Compasses, I would recommend reading "The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life - Volume 1" by Drunvalo Melchizadek.

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posted on Dec, 25 2013 @ 02:05 AM
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Masonic Light

Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Well Duelism does appear to have several different meanings, but it generally means that there are two of something that in some way relate to the other. (i.e Good/Bad, Yin/Yang, Player/Spectator)


INWT, I think you may have touched upon a very important topic concerning Masonry here, and spirituality in general.

In Pike's "Morals and Dogma", in the lecture of the 32nd degree "Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret" (and the degree ritual itself), we are informed that the Royal Secret is Equilibrium, of which the Double Headed Eagle is the symbol in Masonry. This same doctrine is symbolized by the Yin/Yang in Taoism.

Consider that, for an electricity to be produced, a positive current must unite with a negative one. In like manner, for a new life to be produced, two opposites (male and female) must unite.

Thus, in these cases, it isn't really "good and evil" in the normal sense of the word that we're talking about (the philosophical problem of the existence of evil is tackled in the 18�, but the equilibrium of forces is a mystery of the 32�).

Pike contends that the Royal Secret, Equilibrium, concerns the balancing of the spiritual with the material in Man. Therefore, while man is a material being, he is also a spiritual one, and these two parts of his being must be brought into equilibrium in order for him to attain any real enlightenment or happiness. This is the great teaching of the 32�, and is exemplified in a beautiful and dramatic form in the ceremonies of that degree.


Why is it that you guys insisted that Masonry had nothing to do with duality, or any of the spiritual/material balance for man that I insisted it did, and that possibly the square and compass was another example of this? If Pike who had rewritten the rites, roughly around the time M&D was published, knew these things; wouldn't it be a fair assessment that the quote of his about the square and compass may have some merit whether it is publicly endorsed or not?
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