Why are the pyramids built with the sized stones that they are?

helius
reply to post by helius

 

The Shamir: (The ancient lazer)

“The shamir was made at twilight on the sixth day of creation
together with other extraordinary things.It is about as
large as a barley corn, and it possesses the remarkable property
of cutting the hardest of diamonds. For this reason it was used
for the stones in the breastplate worn by the high priest. First
the names of the twelve tribes were traced with ink on the stones
to be set into the breastplate, then the shamir was passed over
the lines, and thus they were graven. The wonderful circumstance
was that the friction wore no particles from the stones. The
shamir was also used for hewing into shape the stones from which
the Temple was built, because the law prohibited iron tools to be
used for the work in the Temple.The shamir may not be put
in an iron vessel for safe-keeping, nor in any metal vessel, it
would burst such a receptacle asunder. It is kept wrapped up in a
woollen cloth, and this in turn is placed in a lead basket filled
with barley bran.”

Yes, but was it a laser?... Or a device that fires a jet of high pressure concentrated acid like Hydrofloric Acid? The fact that it could n ot be put inot a metal object tends to suggest the latter.

reply to post by FreeMason


Your name is Free Mason and you don't know anything about the pyramids? They were built so large so they would last forever. They are the tombs of their elite. They are symbolic tombs that were believed to harness the universes power and make the elite immortal so they could walk the earth for eternity, among other things.

pauljs75
I think the stones are the size they are as a theft prevention measure of sorts. Regular sized building materials may get snatched and re-used elsewhere. It wouldn't be much different than walking off with a cinder block. Stones of the size used in the pyramids need special quarrying tools to break down, and nobody wants to take the time to do that to a public landmark where everyone is watching.

As for moving? Build a (wooden?) form around the stone so it's like a big cylinder. Rolling resistance vs. circumference means that something at that size weighing 10,000lbs only needs a bit over 500lbs force to get it rolling. (Provided the roller doesn't deform much and is balanced.) Once it is rolling, if it's on flat ground, the amount of force to keep it rolling is a lot less. Thus the amount of manpower needed to move one stone isn't as ridiculous as people would think. The only thing is, I'm surprised no engineers have tested this, even though they should be well aware of how rolling resistance formulas work.

As for moving uphill? The most logical way to do it would be to put a cogging mechanism on the roller that surrounds a stone and have it mate to an underlying track. (Just like a rack and pinion gear.) This would prevent slippage as it rolls, so you could use more mechanical advantage to move it. Then just lever and block the thing as you move it on its way up.

But no, such means which apply mechanical advantage seem too simple. And the most typical brute-force modern methods (carting and craning) can't do it. So aliens.

How they were built is not a mystery at all The pyramid blocks were hewn from quarries using stone and copper tools. There are examples of each stage of block extraction at existing ancient quarries. Granite was quarried using pounding stones of dolerite, some of which have been found laying about the quarries. The blocks were transported to the pyramid site from remote quarries using barges, and from local quarries using wooden sleds. The Egyptians did not use the wheel during the Pyramid Age, an invention that would have been of limited used on softer ground under heavy loads. The sleds were dragged manually, sometimes with the help of beasts of burden, over smoothed roads. Some of the existing pathways were equipped with transverse wooden beams to lend support to the sled.An example of the sleds can be found in Cairo s museum. The mystery has never been how the blocks were moved the mystery was how did they stack them so high.

reply to post by dragonridr


It is correct that manpower and sledges was used (or attempted used) to move stones in ancient Egypt. This is also what Herodot reports in his work of History, which is information Herodot got from the Egyptian priests around 500 bc . There even exist wall reliefs depicting how stones were moved (or attempted moved) this way.

My theory is that ancient Egyptians didn’t have a clew who actually built the great pyramid and what purpose it had. It was there even before mankind started to settle in Egypt. I think very ancient generation Egyptians were quite aware of that aliens once built them and that they used advanced technology to do so, but later generation Egyptian eventually lost this knowledge, so they probably wondered themselves how these large stones could be moved and put in place. Hence, they pretty much came up with the same ideas that we ourselves imagine this could have been done, and tried it out.

So, the fact that Egyptians some time around 2000 bc (+,-) attempted to use sledges to move large stones, does however not prove that they actually used this technique on the construction of the great pyramid. There are no references or links between the sledges and the pyramids. There are some wall reliefs showing large statues moved this way, but nothing that link this method to the construction of the great pyramid. Also, there is no reports of how successful these attempts were, or if they actually went along and was able to fulfill these attempts.

Also regarding the great pyramid and to those who are interested. I would like to mention that there is an interesting remark found in the first book of Enoch, that is worth to consider regarding the great pyramid. This passage goes like this:

“And from there, I went over the summits of those mountains, far away to the east, and I went over the Red Sea, and I was far from it, and I went over the Angel Zotiel.”

I take this text as evidence that Enoch once was taken on a tour by some sort of alien aircraft. The text mentions that they came in over the red sea and thus flew directly over the Giza complex. The mention of the angel Zotiel, can in my opinion therefore only be a reference to the Sphinx. If this is the case. The great pyramid was a pre flood structure. The word angel has in biblical context several meaning. It was most commonly used on the aliens themselves , on monuments that depicted aliens or on certain alien technology.

The name Zotiel is probably taken from the greek word Sothis, which was the (dog star) Sirius , and this text could thus support The Orion correlation theory (or Giza–Orion correlation theory which central claim is that there is a correlation between the location of the three largest pyramids of the Giza pyramid complex and the three middle stars of the constellation Orion.

winofiend

WeRpeons
The pyramids are 14 stories high. Think about that aspect alone.

A friend of mine is a contractor and visited Egypt and the pyramids with his wife. When he returned, the first thing he said to me was, "nobody can tell me those pyramids were built by humans back in 3000 BC. To move those mammoth stones which weighed an average of 2.5 tons and lifting them just 2 stories would be a feat at today's technological standards!" He went on to say that it boggled his mind seeing how tight the joints were and how over 2 million stones were cut and lifted to such heights.

For all the theories that have tried to explain how these pyramids were built, doesn't it say something to the fact that even the brightest engineering minds can't agree on how they were built. That speaks volumes.

We have no such need. In fact, the worst thing we have to put up with is getting that parking space before that tosser from Finance gets it, and you have to walk 20 meters in the rain to get to the office before you can grab your coffee mocha from the coffee machine and have a ciggy with Mick and Alicia before you go in and start doing helpdesk.

I work in software device driver development for hardware systems. There is such a need for problem solving, especially when the hardware doesn't work exactly the way we expect. We can't just say "oh, the hardware doesn't work, there's nothing we can do", as it is a commercial product. Instead we *have* to find "workarounds" in order to complete the project on time. Sometimes if something takes longer than we expected, we bring on more people. Other times we'll look at seeing what can be automated, optimized or even eliminated altogether. Sometimes we find two tasks do the exact same thing but in different ways, so one can be merged into the other.

The Egyptians probably did the same. They started off with small projects, then figured out all the optimizations and organization, then just scaled everything to use larger stones.

reply to post by helius


Look aliens didnt build the pyramids people need to try to get off those ancient aliens sites and look in to real archaeology. It amazes me how people think Egyptians were to stupid or primitive to build the pyramids. They have the same exact brains we do and were just as smart in fact they invented math we still use today. If you ask me the ancient Egyptians were alot smarter then the people that buy in to the ancient alien theory because thats just not logical is it? Entire cities were created in Giza we found them there sole purpose was to take care of the workers there were doctors and blacksmiths cooks etc. There was people living there 10s of thousands we found there tombs and there records. We know the jobs they did heck we even know the name of the teams of haulers for the stones they bragged how much faster they could move stones over others. We found the site the stones were quarried from here is a picture notice the unfinished stones.



Then you have these people who say cant possibly have built it with that much precision well yes they could. Base is simple you start by leveling the area we see this all around the great pyramid there is holes to insert wooden pegs. Why well that stretched ropes between them this allows far a high level of acuracy we still do this today. As far as getting the pyramid to point north incredibly easy same way the Greeks or Romans did chart a star from sunset to sunrise.I know this shocks people but being on a round planet we can use that to our advantage and tell exactly where north is. And they had the tools to do exactly that here look at what they used to make sure there angles were right its called gravity.



The only mystery is how thet transported the stones after the base was built but even that now theres is a great theory and alot of evidence to prove it. And it wasn't an Egyptology it was an engineer who said hmmm how would i build this with there level of technology.Very much like there engineers would have had to do same brain remember. Sorry it just pisses me off when people try to take away the accomplishments of humans and attribute it to something else.Be proud of our species theres nothing else like us on the planet we can dream we can build as a species theres nothing we cant accomplish given time and resources!

helius

There is also an ancient biblical text that confirms that these aliens built those ancient structures . It’s called the testament of Solomon and it tells in details how the giant watchers, and a multitude of giant demigods built the first temple of Solomon.

In fact, this story originated at least a thousand years after Solomion died so it is of absolutely no use in explaining anything at all.

helius
However. Before you read this text, it is important to understand the meaning of the word “demon”. In ancient biblical context, the word demon had two different meaning. It was used on deceases and it was used on the giant watchers and their offspring as well as demigods. Even though, the testament of Solomon seems a little odd , it is important to concentrate on the essence and filter out the exaggerations.

How convenient for you to tell us that the watchers, who actually held the demons back (that was part of their function) were, in fact, themselves the demons.

It is always amazing to me the lengths people will go to to support their baseless ideas.

Harte

Evanzsayz
reply to post by FreeMason

 

Your name is Free Mason and you don't know anything about the pyramids? They were built so large so they would last forever. They are the tombs of their elite. They are symbolic tombs that were believed to harness the universes power and make the elite immortal so they could walk the earth for eternity, among other things.

Question-1 : What kind of universal power is it? Or let us say Type of Energy?
Was it Kinetic Energy?
Were there any moving parts in the pyramid to attain this type of Energy????

Was it Potential Energy?
Were there any mechanism that generated energy from potentials- heights or depths????

Was it Thermal Energy?
Were there any combustion mechanisms in the Pyramids or heat transfer mechanisms or even a turbine or associated generator????

Was it Chemical Energy?
Were there any huge chemical vats and reaction chambers that could generate any sorts of energy- be it heat or electricity from chemical reactions????

Was it Electrical Energy or Electrochemical Energy??
were there any devices that could generate Electricity, as discussed above, from mechanical or chemical or potential or kinetic sources????

Was it some sorts of Electromagnetic Energy????
As in Solar ??? Were there any Photovoltaic constructs found or remains found anywhere in the pyramids????

Was it Sound Energy?
Though we have not yet reached to a viable state /stage to commercially produce energy from sound, were there any mechanisms found in the pyramids that could do so??

Was it Nuclear Energy??
Were there any structures, mechanisms, piping etc found as with Nuclear power generating facilities??


Question 2 : What exactly does this "among other things" mean??? care to explain in detail, with references?

coredrill

Evanzsayz
reply to post by FreeMason

 

Your name is Free Mason and you don't know anything about the pyramids? They were built so large so they would last forever. They are the tombs of their elite. They are symbolic tombs that were believed to harness the universes power and make the elite immortal so they could walk the earth for eternity, among other things.

Question-1 : What kind of universal power is it? Or let us say Type of Energy?
Was it Kinetic Energy?
Were there any moving parts in the pyramid to attain this type of Energy????

Was it Potential Energy?
Were there any mechanism that generated energy from potentials- heights or depths????

Was it Thermal Energy?
Were there any combustion mechanisms in the Pyramids or heat transfer mechanisms or even a turbine or associated generator????

Was it Chemical Energy?
Were there any huge chemical vats and reaction chambers that could generate any sorts of energy- be it heat or electricity from chemical reactions????

Was it Electrical Energy or Electrochemical Energy??
were there any devices that could generate Electricity, as discussed above, from mechanical or chemical or potential or kinetic sources????

Was it some sorts of Electromagnetic Energy????
As in Solar ??? Were there any Photovoltaic constructs found or remains found anywhere in the pyramids????

Was it Sound Energy?
Though we have not yet reached to a viable state /stage to commercially produce energy from sound, were there any mechanisms found in the pyramids that could do so??

Was it Nuclear Energy??
Were there any structures, mechanisms, piping etc found as with Nuclear power generating facilities??


Question 2 : What exactly does this "among other things" mean??? care to explain in detail, with references?

One does not need any of this if one simply uses a giant hydrogen-filled balloon to lift...and with ease.

reply to post by abacus10


Answer to the question posted.
Don't beat around the bush.
No. Not the Chris Dunn one.

Where and how is the hydrogen generated??
What process?Any remains of the apparatus that was used?

Any Egyptian records at this hydrogen generation?

If the AEs used hydrogen, then details of it would have been inscribed in their records.
For what would have the AEs used Hydrogen for - Fuel? of course. Any AE records of the use of Hydrogen as a fuel ?? None, i guess.

or as in your post - Balloons.???
Are there any references to use of Balloons by the AEs?

Questions boy. Questions.
If you question the mystery and find answers, its well and good.
If you don't, and if you state something, others might question your statements and you might sit going DUH.
its always best to avoid that.

So, wheres all that damn hydrogen?????


Think!

reply to post by coredrill


Hey Coredrill

Just a comment. Think Giza at the eastern end of a very large desert - what do you think our balloon believers are forgetting? Yep wind

Average wind speed at Cairo is 10 mph and it blows 87% of the time mainly from the west and north - and lets not talk about the Khamasin sand storms!

coredrill
reply to post by abacus10

 

Any Egyptian records at this hydrogen generation?

If the AEs used hydrogen, then details of it would have been inscribed in their records.

Only playing devils advocate here, but in all fairness, no , that's not necessarily true.

Any idea the number of records that have been lost over the millennia with who knows how much invaluable information? I'd even venture to say that the blue prints to Giza could very likely have been amongst all that was lost...

Point is, just because something hasn't been found to be inscribed in AE records doesn't preclude it from ever existing. We've only seen a tiny % of what existed.

Hell, had the AE's inscribed how they built the damn things we wouldn't even be having this convo

PhotonEffect

coredrill
reply to post by abacus10

 

Any Egyptian records at this hydrogen generation?

If the AEs used hydrogen, then details of it would have been inscribed in their records.

Only playing devils advocate here, but in all fairness, no , that's not necessarily true.

Any idea the number of records that have been lost over the millennia with who knows how much invaluable information? I'd even venture to say that the blue prints to Giza could very likely have been amongst all that was lost...

Point is, just because something hasn't been found to be inscribed in AE records doesn't preclude it from ever existing. We've only seen a tiny % of what existed.

Hell, had the AE's inscribed how they built the damn things we wouldn't even be having this convo

edit on 28-10-2013 by PhotonEffect because: (no reason given)

Well see thats just it they did tell us how they were built.What we dont have is the plans. Be like a construction company building a building we know the tools they used the equipment they used but without the building plans we cant tell you where they started or how they did it.And above all else this was an architectural project believe it or not scale models were used much like today we found one used in another pyramid.