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Bone75
The logic that escapes you is rather simple... the unborn are innocent, murderers and rapists aren't. We'll put a rapist in prison rather than executing him, but we turn around and give his victim the right to execute his child. To me that's twisted justice.
But the unborn aren't humans until a certain stage. A death row inmate is.
I get that. My point, though, is that it is pretty silly to use such an asinine scenario to make a point. If something has to be this fantastical to make a point, and a person cant even bother to actually think through what they are proposing, its fairly moot, and definitely stupid.
beegoodbees
reply to post by captaintyinknots
I believe the op is meant to expose the hypocrisy of abortion advocates and is not really meant to be scrutinized in a scientific fashion. However you are correct. What you have stated is why movies never get time travel right.
unborn not good...first born OK to kill all of them apparently
At midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon. Exodus 12:29, BT
god killed everybody and now we're allegedly the result of noah's family incest. incest OK but abortion is very bad
And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth. Genesis 7:23,
just when you thought it was OK to complain about food, loving and benevolent god strikes again
And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague. Numbers 11:33
Apparently god loves you unless you complain
And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them. Numbers 11:1
10 commandments say thou shalt not kill, unless you're moses then its ok because god gives a hall pass that day
And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people ... So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive. Numbers 21:34-35
apparently abortion is bad because god wants to kill your children himself. poor Esau
A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them ... As he did to the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, when he destroyed the Horims from before them ... And the Avims ... the Caphtorims ... destroyed them, and dwelt in their stead. -- Deuteronomy 2:21-22
I guess abortion is irrelevant when god kills all the women and children
So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. ... threescore cities ... And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. -- Deuteronomy 3:3-6,
some more love from your god as he sends the Chaldeans to kill off Jews More and more God looks like a spoiled toddler in the midst of a tantrum
The wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy. Therefore he brought upon them the king of the Chaldees, who slew their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, and had no compassion upon young man or maiden, old man, or him that stooped for age: he gave them all into his hand. -- 2 Chronicles 36:16-17
Argyll
reply to post by colbe
God made sex for marriage and procreation.
So not for pleasure then?.......seems to me that God missed a trick with that particular one then
Nothing quite so arrogant as those who think it is their place to tell another waht is right or wrong.
Sportbominable
Abortion is murder no matter how old the baby growing inside you is: from conception to 40+ weeks. Instead, how about going back in time and befriending these monsters to steer them in the right, moral direction. Maybe be their protectors from the abuse they may have endured as children or redirect their lives in some way. Evil is made not conceived or born.
peter vlar
I'm rather enjoying the amazing disconnect spouted by everyone advocating an Abrahamic based morality. I thought Jesus was about compassion not judgment? Lets take a look at some of your gods fine examples of protecting innocent life.
unborn not good...first born OK to kill all of them apparently
At midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon. Exodus 12:29, BT
god killed everybody and now we're allegedly the result of noah's family incest. incest OK but abortion is very bad
And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth. Genesis 7:23,
just when you thought it was OK to complain about food, loving and benevolent god strikes again
And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague. Numbers 11:33
Apparently god loves you unless you complain
And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them. Numbers 11:1
10 commandments say thou shalt not kill, unless you're moses then its ok because god gives a hall pass that day
And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people ... So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive. Numbers 21:34-35
apparently abortion is bad because god wants to kill your children himself. poor Esau
A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them ... As he did to the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, when he destroyed the Horims from before them ... And the Avims ... the Caphtorims ... destroyed them, and dwelt in their stead. -- Deuteronomy 2:21-22
I guess abortion is irrelevant when god kills all the women and children
So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. ... threescore cities ... And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. -- Deuteronomy 3:3-6,
some more love from your god as he sends the Chaldeans to kill off Jews More and more God looks like a spoiled toddler in the midst of a tantrum
The wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy. Therefore he brought upon them the king of the Chaldees, who slew their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, and had no compassion upon young man or maiden, old man, or him that stooped for age: he gave them all into his hand. -- 2 Chronicles 36:16-17
Sorry, but If the people supporting this nonsense are the ones going to heaven I think I'll take my chances on my own. I don't want to be stuck for eternity with such closed minded soulless apparitions of humanity who refuse to think for themselves in the name of bronze age shepherds magic tomes.
And yet I dont see you counter arguing the points made.
FreeMason
peter vlar
I'm rather enjoying the amazing disconnect spouted by everyone advocating an Abrahamic based morality. I thought Jesus was about compassion not judgment? Lets take a look at some of your gods fine examples of protecting innocent life.
unborn not good...first born OK to kill all of them apparently
At midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon. Exodus 12:29, BT
god killed everybody and now we're allegedly the result of noah's family incest. incest OK but abortion is very bad
And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth. Genesis 7:23,
just when you thought it was OK to complain about food, loving and benevolent god strikes again
And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague. Numbers 11:33
Apparently god loves you unless you complain
And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them. Numbers 11:1
10 commandments say thou shalt not kill, unless you're moses then its ok because god gives a hall pass that day
And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people ... So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive. Numbers 21:34-35
apparently abortion is bad because god wants to kill your children himself. poor Esau
A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them ... As he did to the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, when he destroyed the Horims from before them ... And the Avims ... the Caphtorims ... destroyed them, and dwelt in their stead. -- Deuteronomy 2:21-22
I guess abortion is irrelevant when god kills all the women and children
So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. ... threescore cities ... And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. -- Deuteronomy 3:3-6,
some more love from your god as he sends the Chaldeans to kill off Jews More and more God looks like a spoiled toddler in the midst of a tantrum
The wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy. Therefore he brought upon them the king of the Chaldees, who slew their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, and had no compassion upon young man or maiden, old man, or him that stooped for age: he gave them all into his hand. -- 2 Chronicles 36:16-17
Sorry, but If the people supporting this nonsense are the ones going to heaven I think I'll take my chances on my own. I don't want to be stuck for eternity with such closed minded soulless apparitions of humanity who refuse to think for themselves in the name of bronze age shepherds magic tomes.
Waaah look at me im so smart I showed that big ole meanie God....waaaaah
You have your terms mixed up. At conception, there are living cells.
Hoosierdaddy71
Funny how nasa sends probes all over the solar system looking for life. They are looking for microscopic bacteria or any signs of life. Yet a fetus is not considered life, not till it is born.
Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
reply to post by FreeMason
If their mothers were considering an abortion in the first place, then no, I don't see any moral problem with it. Coercing or forcing a woman to have an abortion would be immoral, but if she wanted it, then no.
Here's another interesting paradox: most anti abortionists also support the death penalty, and are highly opposed to welfare. Yet in many cases, a woman who is seeking an abortion does so because she can't take care of the kid, financially or otherwise, and the father has no interest or desire in taking care of the kid. Thus, forcing the woman to have the kid means she will be dependent upon state welfare and social services to raise it. And quite often, kids from single parent homes end up on the wrong side of the law, even crimes that merit the death penalty.
So basically, the anti-abortionists want to force women to have kids, then remove all state aid to take care of the kids and do not want to pay for their upbringing (though gee, they sure scream about how "precious" those babies are, even as they are content to let them live on the streets), and kids who will likely grow up incarcerated or on death row and be executed.
I think it's clear where the real immorality lies.
captaintyinknots
And yet I dont see you counter arguing the points made.
FreeMason
peter vlar
I'm rather enjoying the amazing disconnect spouted by everyone advocating an Abrahamic based morality. I thought Jesus was about compassion not judgment? Lets take a look at some of your gods fine examples of protecting innocent life.
unborn not good...first born OK to kill all of them apparently
At midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon. Exodus 12:29, BT
god killed everybody and now we're allegedly the result of noah's family incest. incest OK but abortion is very bad
And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth. Genesis 7:23,
just when you thought it was OK to complain about food, loving and benevolent god strikes again
And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague. Numbers 11:33
Apparently god loves you unless you complain
And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them. Numbers 11:1
10 commandments say thou shalt not kill, unless you're moses then its ok because god gives a hall pass that day
And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people ... So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive. Numbers 21:34-35
apparently abortion is bad because god wants to kill your children himself. poor Esau
A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them ... As he did to the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, when he destroyed the Horims from before them ... And the Avims ... the Caphtorims ... destroyed them, and dwelt in their stead. -- Deuteronomy 2:21-22
I guess abortion is irrelevant when god kills all the women and children
So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. ... threescore cities ... And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. -- Deuteronomy 3:3-6,
some more love from your god as he sends the Chaldeans to kill off Jews More and more God looks like a spoiled toddler in the midst of a tantrum
The wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy. Therefore he brought upon them the king of the Chaldees, who slew their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, and had no compassion upon young man or maiden, old man, or him that stooped for age: he gave them all into his hand. -- 2 Chronicles 36:16-17
Sorry, but If the people supporting this nonsense are the ones going to heaven I think I'll take my chances on my own. I don't want to be stuck for eternity with such closed minded soulless apparitions of humanity who refuse to think for themselves in the name of bronze age shepherds magic tomes.
Waaah look at me im so smart I showed that big ole meanie God....waaaaah
'Nuff said (or not said).
captaintyinknots
You have your terms mixed up. At conception, there are living cells.
Hoosierdaddy71
Funny how nasa sends probes all over the solar system looking for life. They are looking for microscopic bacteria or any signs of life. Yet a fetus is not considered life, not till it is born.
They are not, however, a human being.
FreeMason
peter vlar
I'm rather enjoying the amazing disconnect spouted by everyone advocating an Abrahamic based morality. I thought Jesus was about compassion not judgment? Lets take a look at some of your gods fine examples of protecting innocent life.
unborn not good...first born OK to kill all of them apparently
At midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon. Exodus 12:29, BT
god killed everybody and now we're allegedly the result of noah's family incest. incest OK but abortion is very bad
And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth. Genesis 7:23,
just when you thought it was OK to complain about food, loving and benevolent god strikes again
And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague. Numbers 11:33
Apparently god loves you unless you complain
And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them. Numbers 11:1
10 commandments say thou shalt not kill, unless you're moses then its ok because god gives a hall pass that day
And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people ... So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive. Numbers 21:34-35
apparently abortion is bad because god wants to kill your children himself. poor Esau
A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them ... As he did to the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, when he destroyed the Horims from before them ... And the Avims ... the Caphtorims ... destroyed them, and dwelt in their stead. -- Deuteronomy 2:21-22
I guess abortion is irrelevant when god kills all the women and children
So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. ... threescore cities ... And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. -- Deuteronomy 3:3-6,
some more love from your god as he sends the Chaldeans to kill off Jews More and more God looks like a spoiled toddler in the midst of a tantrum
The wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy. Therefore he brought upon them the king of the Chaldees, who slew their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, and had no compassion upon young man or maiden, old man, or him that stooped for age: he gave them all into his hand. -- 2 Chronicles 36:16-17
Sorry, but If the people supporting this nonsense are the ones going to heaven I think I'll take my chances on my own. I don't want to be stuck for eternity with such closed minded soulless apparitions of humanity who refuse to think for themselves in the name of bronze age shepherds magic tomes.
Waaah look at me im so smart I showed that big ole meanie God....waaaaah
Im just so tired of explaining so many errors in people who question God in the Old Testament.
He can do whatever He wants. We cant
Will someone else take this one?edit on 22-10-2013 by FreeMason because: (no reason given)