Stenographer snaps, rants on House Floor (a religious deconstruction/assessment of the story)

From CNN, 8 hours ago: GOD-SPEAK ON THE HOUSE FLOOR by an employee

Stenographer snaps, rants on House floor

Oh Lordy, someone came unglued.

This woman is a well-known stenographer on Capitol Hill; after the vote to end the shutdown, she pulled a "Dylan Ratigan" - except it was the opposite of his common sense rant (and thanks to the member who revived that vid - I had sent it to my Congressmen and demanded they watch it once for each one of their constituents)...

anyway

Washington (CNN) – Amid all the chaos of the last-minute deal in Washington, there was an unusual moment on the House floor moments after the bill passed.

A House stenographer and well-known employee calmly took to a microphone and began screaming.


"Do not be deceived. God shall not be mocked. A House divided cannot stand," she said, according to a House GOP aide. After a few seconds, she was escorted out by the Sergeant-at-Arms, but an audio recording by Todd Zwillich of Public Radio International captured the rest of her rant.

"He will not be mocked, He will not be mocked, (don't touch me) He will not be mocked. The greatest deception here, is that this is not one nation under God. It never was. Had it been... it would not have been... No. it would not have been... the Constitution would not have been written by Free Masons... and go against God. You cannot serve two masters. You cannot serve two masters. Praise be to God, Lord Jesus Christ."

She was escorted out of the assembly and sent to a hospital to be evaluated.

There is a video you can watch in the article, but you can't hear what she's saying (the mike wasn't on) - although you can CERTAINLY hear the chairwoman banging her gavel.

Wow. The Religious Right have begun infiltrating Capitol Hill's EMPLOYEES as well as Congress. Very scary.

"She’s a well-known person, she’s a perfectly nice person, a good colleague, somebody who’s respectable and dependable, and this is very surprising to everybody who works with her," Bash reported on air.

What is our country coming to!????

What do you make of this, ATS?

reply to post by wildtimes


I watched the video, and cannot hear anything.

I believe in a secular government, religion doesn't have any place in it.

If this is true, why would they treat this woman this way?

She is not a policymaker, just a woman speaking her mind.

WHAT HAS THIS COUNTRY COME TO?

nvrmnd

reply to post by 12m8keall2c


THANKS to 12m8 for allowing me to have the thread in this forum. :go mods:

I want to discuss with the frequent flyers here, about this woman's melt-down on the House floor.
It smacks of the New Apostolic Reformation/7-Mountain-Dominionists (of which Newt Gingrich, Michelle Bachmann, and others are active participants).

THEY WANT TO MAKE THE USA a THEOCRACY based on Evangelical Christianity. It scares the bejeebers out of me. They are the equivalent of "the Taliban", but haven't gotten to where they're shooting people in the head yet.

What do you guys think about this lady?

Me? I think she's nuts (and so are those others in Congress who are 7MDs).

reply to post by wildtimes

Wow. The Religious Right have begun infiltrating Capitol Hill's EMPLOYEES as well as Congress. Very scary.

What is so scary about someone who has a conservative religious perspective working on Capital Hill?

Are you suggesting that anyone associated with "the Religious Right" should be denied government employment on that basis?

reply to post by adjensen

What is so scary about someone who has a conservative religious perspective working on Capital Hill?

What's scary is that there is a REAL and POLITICALLY ACTIVE movement to make this country a Christian Theocracy.

No, thank you. THIS IS, and has ALWAYS BEEN, a secular country. There is no place on Capitol Hill to discuss 'religion' - by definition.

You are aware, aren't you, of the New Apostolic Reformation and the 7-Mountain-Dominionists??

Do YOU want this country to be run by Evangelical Doctrines? I don't. They scare me.

Here is a post from someone in the Political Madness forum saying that a Congressman came up and spoke to her right before she got up to go to the podium
www.abovetopsecret.com...

JBA2848
So who was it that put her up to it?

He was talking to her.

files.abovetopsecret.com...

She walks away and he plays with his cellphone.

files.abovetopsecret.com...

Was she talking to Rep. Bill Young of Florida? Seems he is quitting.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

wildtimes
reply to post by adjensen

 

What is so scary about someone who has a conservative religious perspective working on Capital Hill?

What's scary is that there is a REAL and POLITICALLY ACTIVE movement to make this country a Christian Theocracy.

Who cares? I don't mean that flippantly or to be insulting, but there have been fringe efforts on the part of extremists on both the right and the left to "remake the country in their image" throughout our history and none of them have ever been even remotely successful, for the very reason that they are fringe proponents of something that no one but them wants. The chances of those promoting a Christian Theocracy for America are effectively zero -- not only is it unconstitutional, but the vast majority of people in the country are not conservative evangelical Christians and are unlikely to vote themselves under that minority's thumb.

No, I don't want to live in a theocracy, but I also don't want to live in a country that discriminates against people on the basis of religious belief, which seems far more likely to happen.

Again, are you suggesting that members of "the Religious Right" should be denied employment on the basis of those beliefs?

reply to post by wildtimes


My concern is that in declaring we cannot serve two masters, that stenographer implies that we must serve one. I was under the impression that this government had outgrown masters, and I'm disappointed that our governmental officials still cling to such archaic practices.

reply to post by adjensen

Again, are you suggesting that members of "the Religious Right" should be denied employment on the basis of those beliefs?

Not even remotely. That would be clear discrimination, and is already illegal. But religion in the workplace is best kept to oneself. If she's that disgusted with Congress, she should resign from her job.

She crossed the line of 'professionalism' - and I would think Stenographers are bound by a "Code of Ethics" - but I'll look it up to see. I'm supposing by the very nature of their jobs they have a "neutrality" clause to live up to.

Her outburst was unseemly, untoward, and wholly inappropriate. If she'd taken it outside, that's one thing. But on the House floor?

I am one of those people that speaks my mind openly, in meetings, but even I would have restrained an impulse to do this.

reply to post by adjensen

Again, are you suggesting that members of "the Religious Right" should be denied employment on the basis of those beliefs?

That stenographer's actions are as such: proselytizing during an active meeting intended to process governmental matters. A blatant violation of the separation clause that protects us from such interferences as this woman demonstrated. And this is what will happen if we continue allowing the desegregation of church and state. She clearly advocates the serving of masters, which is a sentiment that I personally detest to the very core of my being. I hate anything even remotely resembling slavery, as it is a travesty of the human spirit.

If people insist on bleating such sentiments in government facilities during government operations, then yes, I think they should be removed. After all, you would be banned from a church if you started shouting liberal agendas in the middle of a sermon. If you started waxing gloriously on the merits of polygamy and nature worship, the benefits of deviant behavior and humanism, they would demand that you be removed and barred from ever attending again.

Those people were not in church. They were not gathered for a sermon. They were not there to recognize or praise any god. And yet that woman disrupted their legal process, a House meeting, to declare that this is a nation under the authority of God and must therefore recognize his edicts? To demand that we serve our country according to God's whim? No. No, no, and again no. That's quite simply inappropriate, and I am very pleased that they did not stand for it. We have enough troubles without such inane tripe being added to the pile.

reply to post by adjensen

Again, are you suggesting that members of "the Religious Right" should be denied employment on the basis of those beliefs?

If they can't control themselves, and can't keep their religious dogma out of the work place, then yeah. This woman needs to be put on leave and have a psychological exam before returning to her job.

Okay, let's try to deconstruct what happened.
She appears in the still-shots provided above to have been approached by Bill Young, the longest-term Congressman from Florida.

Here is a bit about him from 'wiki':Bill Young:

Charles William "Bill" Young (born December 16, 1930) is the U.S. Representative for Florida's 13th congressional district, serving in Congress since 1971. He is a member of the Republican Party, and is currently the longest-serving Republican member of Congress. He served as Chairman of the House Committee on Appropriations from 1999 to 2005 and still retains a seat on that committee. He will not seek re-election in 2014.[2]

The longest-sitting Congressman on record, now retiring. Republican. On the Appropriations Committee.

From 1962 through 1964, Young served on the Florida Legislative Investigation Committee, commonly known as the Johns Committee, a legislative panel that investigated the activities of homosexuals, communists and others thought to be subversive. In 1964, the committee released a pamphlet entitled Homosexuality and Citizenship in Florida, which drew criticism at the time for its use of explicit photographs of homosexual acts.[6]

At the time, Young said of homosexuality: "Our report tried to show it in its true light – it's a very repulsive subject."[7][8]

Responding to reports that reprints of the pamphlet were being sold as pornography for a gay audience, Young said:

"This indicates how bold the homosexual is becoming and further proves the necessity of state government taking the lead in responsibility for preventing these confirmed homosexuals from preying on the youth of the state."[7] In 1993, Young was asked about his involvement with the report by the St. Petersburg Times and said: "I am not supportive of homosexuality, but that's the decision of the people who are involved in it. If someone wants to engage in that sort of behavior, that's their choice."

So, perhaps this stenographer was speaking ON HIS BEHALF, by proxy - seeing as he's retiring. Florida is a hotbed of these Evangelicals. Clearly, he is a Right-Winger.

Here's the wiki info on the Homosexuality and Citizenship in Florida paper.

The Johns Committee had for several years conducted a witch hunt for homosexuals in public schools, universities, and state government agencies, believing they were part of a Communist strategy to "subvert the American way of life by controlling academic institutions and by corrupting the nation's moral fiber." By publishing its findings, the Committee hoped to persuade the Legislature to enact comprehensive anti-homosexual legislation, and to "shock Floridians into accepting its program."[1]

[The report] viewed homosexuals as the carriers of a degenerative disease that posed a greater menace to society than child molesters. . . . The committee expected readers to select a theory conforming to its own views, and the pamphlet portrayed gays as sex fiends who spent every free moment searching for anonymous partners, recruiting youth, or transmitting venereal diseases.

Turned out the pamphlet was being used as porn by young gays, rather than recruiting hatred of them!

I don't believe wildtimes is saying Christians shouldn't be employed by the Government, simply that her Christian faith should NOT be made so very public in such a setting! Seperation of Church & State, while also keeping our Freedom of Religion rights in place. She can "be fruitful and multiply" within her local community, hand out religious tracts or hold car washes to spread her beliefs all she wants, but keep it out of the Government, period!

Here is something I posted in the ongoing thread; Stenographer dragged from House floor while shouting about Freemasonry and God

I am not going to lie and say this doesn't FREAK ME OUT! It does.

I was raised in the Evangelical Church, an active participant in my Youth Group and wanted nothing more than to live a life that exulted God. Very long story short, I was too inquisitive and "disrupted the spiritual growth of my peers". I was uninvited from my Youth Group at age 15, talk about a chip on the shoulder. I have walked away from the faith and found my own Truth since. I do not trust Christians to have a mind of their own, they are manipulated through fear mongering and their individuality is suppressed by the same, I have seen it first hand.

What better "target" for an MKUltra-esque plan? I feel that this woman was manipulated in some way for some yet unknown purpose. I may crack jokes, but that is only because this event makes me so very uncomfortable... it's a version of nervous laughter I guess.

Something is very wrong, deeply wrong and I sincerely believe we are all going to be witness to something akin to The End of Times. What exactly that will be? I have no clue, will it be the big, bad Armageddon of Revelations? The Blue Star of the Hopi? The Kali Yuga of the Hindu's? Maybe all of these? I won't say none of these because there is too much commonality between all of these teachings and more, The End of Times is a constant theme is ALL religious and spiritual belief sets. We are in them people, we are in them!

The religious right hasn't been a threat since the early 90's, where have you been? Even Bush just gave them lip service and never did anything to carry forth their agenda. We can be sure Obama hasn't catered to them in any way. A theocracy? That might be what they want but no danger there of them getting much power.

If anyone would worry about them it would be me. I knew Jerry Falwell since the early 70's and published extensively about him and the religious right. People were pooh-poohing me back then but it was serious at the time. The Moral Majority had an open door at the White House anytime they felt the need to prod Reagan. Then when Pat Robertson ran for President things looked really ominous. I was gratified when that crashed and burned but they did succeed in having many restrictive laws passed at the time. Not much has happened since and the evangelicals have faded away in to the scenery from what I can tell.

One woman has a melt down and shouts a few words about God. Sorry, I just don't see the threat here.
She's entitled to her opinion no matter how silly you might think it is.

reply to post by IrishCream


"End of Times"? End of World is more like it. If anything is going to end, it will be the world as we know it. But I think that's a pretty big leap from a zealous stenographer throwing a fit in a House meeting.

reply to post by IrishCream

I have walked away from the faith and found my own Truth since. I do not trust Christians to have a mind of their own, they are manipulated through fear mongering and their individuality is suppressed by the same, I have seen it first hand.

What better "target" for an MKUltra-esque plan? I feel that this woman was manipulated in some way for some yet unknown purpose. I may crack jokes, but that is only because this event makes me so very uncomfortable... it's a version of nervous laughter I guess.

Something is very wrong, deeply wrong and I sincerely believe we are all going to be witness to something akin to The End of Times. What exactly that will be?

I agree with you that things are "shifting" - maybe it will be the End of Subjugation, widespread Poverty, legal Slavery, and Political Violence?

One can only hope.

Thanks for your response here.

What do you think about the Rep. Bill Young approaching her? That smacks of 'manipulation' and/or 'indoctrination', very loudly, to me.

wildtimes
What do you make of this, ATS?

From what I'm seeing on TV, it was out of character for her to act this way.
So I think the mental health/medical health evaluation is a good thing.
Lots of people have mental health issues or will develop them.
It could happen to anyone. I feel for her ....

reply to post by wildtimes

So, perhaps this stenographer was speaking ON HIS BEHALF, by proxy - seeing as he's retiring. Florida is a hotbed of these Evangelicals. Clearly, he is a Right-Winger.

Sorry, this sounds a little like some crazy MK-ULTRA theory -- if this guy from Florida wanted to cause a scene, why wouldn't he do it himself? He can take the floor and jabber on, just like any other Congressman, there's no need to jeopardize the welfare of some random house staffer.

I think you're reading into things -- she obviously snapped, for whatever reason, had her say, and was removed from the floor. Time will tell as to what comes of it, for her personally, but a Christian Theocracy is hardly a likely outcome, particularly when the overwhelming response from people seems to be "she's crazy" for taking the stand that she did.