reply to post by RedCairo
Now, had this publication made the government of a small African peoples look like the villains they are, you'd be happy for that as you
indicate. You're distressed there isn't more of that submitted.
But as it made the government of a huge American peoples look like the villains they are, you're not happy about that. You're distressed it might
upset the Americans who will behave stupidly in response.
A): The US government (and 3/4 of the European government) aren't that evil. It did stupid things, yes; and 3/4 of the stupid things they did was
because someone else higher than them forced them to do so (example: Margareth Thatcher who forced Bush to attack Iraq). And even with the 1/4 stupid
things they did by themselves, they still aren't that evil, when you compare them with Russia, China, and then, with all the dictators, such as those
who rules Africa, Middle-East, and half of Asia. US and most Europe are still free countries, where everything is still free.
In China, they put you in a rehabilitation center (a jail) when you pass more than two or three hours on the Internet. In Middle-East, Africa and half
of Asia, they still either kill or imprison gays. Where do you see Europe (except Communist countries) and US do such things?
In Middle-East and Africa, they still imprison you or, in the worst place, kill you, if you're believing in anything else than Islam. You don't see
that happening in Europe or US (proof, even Satanism is allowed as religion as far as in the military).
Forums such as this one are still forbidden in Russia and Middle-East. In Russia, you can still be imprisoned for talking about the government the way
I don't think you want to know what the Middle-East and African government legally let the husband do to their wifes if the latter don't behave like
the husbands want to; one thing is sure, you don't see that permitted in Europe, US, and even, Asia.
In Middle-East and Africa, rape is legally accepted, or if not officially accepted, the law enforcment still let it go unpunished. Good luck is you
find that ostrich-attitude in European and American countries.
In entire villages, such as the Syrian ones, and in Myanmar, the population is banned from leaving. Tell me if you see that happening in Europe and
People in Middle-East, Africa, Communist countries, and half of Asia have almost no health care, in majority, barely earns enough money to eat and
afford rent. In European and American countries, that represent a minority, not a majority. Most people here makes at least 8$/hour. There, they make,
if they're lucky, 2$/hour.
So frankly speaking, I don't see the US as the big baddy like most Americans seems to do. Must I remember to you guys that Obama was on the verge to
bring all soldiers home and end all Middle-East wars, and what stopped him was the Senate (to which he's forced to obey, for the Senate represent
"the people")? Must I remember you guys that not two months ago, Obama had no plan to attack Syria, until the Senate forced him to do so? It was
only with the intervention of the UN and Poutin that the Senate agreed to Obama's diplomatic plan. And you're telling me that the US is THE
baddy, even before Europe (where all the big banks and international corporations are)??
B): We'll pretend, for the sake of your argument, that the US is really that big a villain. It deserves all the hundreds of thousands files.
Unlike dictactorial despots whose only army is a couple of guys loyal to the despot armed with decades old guns and maximun a couples of tanks, and
who can be disposed very easily, the US, Europe and China are super-powers. Which means, they have the army and weapons that comes with it.
In the 30s, when there was no bombs, no shielded tanks, no drones, Stalin and Zedong still succeeded at enslaving their entire citizens, and caused
60-90 millions deaths in total.
What do you think it's gonna happen when the population will revolt? What do you think it's gonna happen during the aftermath, when the new
government is gonna strenghten his position?
What I deplore is that A): the US isn't even THE baddy, and yet, all released files are against it, and B): that pretending the US is the baddy,
Wikileaks will still release files that ignites people's stupidity, with no regard to what it will do. Because whoever takes over US at the end of
the day will be someone a hundred fold worst than Obama; and it will possess the biggest weaponry ever. It will be Cold War all over again; but with
one side only.
Your definition of harm given your OP is "unfortunate chaos in the USA resulting from the people getting fed up with government misdeeds."
That is likely because you are an American who doesn't want chaos and/or the government being even meaner to us. That makes sense, as an individual.
However, WikiLeaks is not an American organization, and as such has no reason to define "harm" the way you define harm. I suspect tens or hundreds
of millions of people actually would define harm more like "letting sources such as the US Govt get away with crap without providing an outlet where
even their own people can reveal it."
Between two harms, you choose the less harmful. People know for decades that governments are corrupt. Releasing more proof is more than fine, it's
noble, but not when it could leads to the fall of the US super-power in the hand of pro-Communist leaders.
I live in Canada; this with Mexico will be the first place that the US could conquer if it falls under the wrong leader. Nobody seems to realize that
in all the bad presidents Americans had, none was tyrants. Even the Bush family made less damage than any Communist or neonazis would have done,
holding this much power. Why? The Constitution is still holding, and presidents must abide by it... until there's a revolution.
That is why not knowing about a bad deed is better than releasing it and creating a long-awaiting revolution.