Know Saul Alinsky And You Know Barack Obama And His [Marxist] Regime.

Wow but i thought OBama was the next hitler, i have a question why create a post and the call anybody saying you might be wrong idiots, is it to troll, or to inform people

BO XIAN

buster2010
. . . After the civil rights movement the Republicans and Democrats changed sides. . . .

Do you even read what you write?

Like I said, AFTER the GOP HAD DONE ALL THE LONG HARD WORK toward Civil Rights legislation . . . persistently BLOCKED BY DEMS until terminally corrupt and ruthless Johnson was tasked by the globalists with pushing the legislation through in order to

MORE FULLY CONTROL the more uninformed and more myopically manipulated black population

And it's still working as massive numbers of black folks slavishly worship at the altar of O EVEN THOUGH HE IS SHREDDING THEIR JOBS, THEIR FREEDOMS, THEIR WELFARE AND THEIR NEST as well as their Christianity.

Incredible.

Yes and what happened to the southern states after the civil rights passed? They went from being Democrat to Republican.

And it's still working as massive numbers of black folks slavishly worship at the altar of O EVEN THOUGH HE IS SHREDDING THEIR JOBS, THEIR FREEDOMS, THEIR WELFARE AND THEIR NEST as well as their Christianity.

Ans this part of your post really shows your ignorance.

BO XIAN
the GOP and DEMS are merely two sides OF THE SAME COIN

There's the real problem, and the reason threads like this utterly fail to create meaningful dialogue.

They open with misused partisan buzzwords like "communist"/"socialist", and tenuous/hyperbolic references to the likes of Marx, Alinsky, Hitler, et al. Such dribble only serves to support notions of the false left-right paradigm. Great if you want to rack up some stars/flags from right leaning members, but utterly useless at creating any meaningful dialogue.

Start using more viable terms and comparisons like globalist, fascist, plutocratic, intermediary-oligarchy, and corporatocracy... then both sides of that coin have to look in the mirror, but we can't have that. People still want their false left/right views (those that divide the populace) reflected in order to bolster their personal sense of righteousness instead of realizing it's not left vs. right (same coin)... it's the CITIZENS vs. the overall culture-of-corruption thriving across both sides of the isle in DC.

UnifiedSerenity

bastion
reply to post by YodHeVauHe

 

How so? I'm in the UK and he's considered to the right of our most right wing mainstream parties by all political commentators, he doesn't have any Marxist policies at all.

I tried watching the vid but it was painfully tenuous links that never led anywhere and the quoted text proves he's in no way Socialist/Marxist due to failures in equality and increasing concentrations of wealth.

That is because in the UK liberals are called "Right" and conservatives are called "Left" and it's the opposite in America. Are you sure you are disagreeing with the OP or just arguing cause you know the truth and want to act like you don't?

No, because Liberals are centre-left and Conservatives are centre-right over here. No idea where you got that from.

UnifiedSerenity

bastion
reply to post by YodHeVauHe

 

How so? I'm in the UK and he's considered to the right of our most right wing mainstream parties by all political commentators, he doesn't have any Marxist policies at all.

I tried watching the vid but it was painfully tenuous links that never led anywhere and the quoted text proves he's in no way Socialist/Marxist due to failures in equality and increasing concentrations of wealth.

That is because in the UK liberals are called "Right" and conservatives are called "Left" and it's the opposite in America. Are you sure you are disagreeing with the OP or just arguing cause you know the truth and want to act like you don't?

What the hell are you talking about?

Ironically enough, both 'Conservative' and 'Liberal' have evolved to mean right wing in old world parlance.

Labour or social-democrat mean moderate left wing.

We have no true left to speak of here either.

There's a 16% flat on income and corporate profits, for #'s sake.

While total taxation of wages is around 55% (including the consumption tax VAT).

reply to post by bastion


Why do you believe he is right wing?

the owlbear

I am glad that you have read such seminal novels of social importance. But you obviously didn't understand their message. You use a larger font and colors to try to drown out the opinion of others

NONSENSE. Do you actually think I'm stupid enough to imagine that anything I do or write will drown out the stalwart, fierce, bold, assertive, aggressive, independent and/or stooge voices on ATS? Hint: I'm not that stupid.

while using a divisive 2000 year old religious text that has led to the deaths of millions as your source matter and be all be end all...sorry...we differ in opinion.

It appears that your assessment of the Bible is grossly flawed to outrageously uninformed, at best. We don't merely have a difference of opinion on your brazenly inaccurate assessment of the Bible etc. . . . we have a greatly different construction on reality. I'll continue to trust mine infinitely more than yours. It has served me well for more than 6 decades.

Jesus was a socialist. And a pacifist. Read His words in the first four Gospels and ignore the rest, the Council of Nicea chose the rest for control over the easily manipulated...

Again, your perspective is greatly flawed. Christ also instructed folks who didn't have a sword to go buy one. . . . and even that, at some point, the righteous take 'territory' . . . . spiritual and/or otherwise . . . by FORCE. Personally, I believe that will be by spiritual warfare vs tangible weapons. However, Christ is far from a pacifist in strict terms.

You also grossly call anyone who doesn't believe as you "pigs"

More brazen inaccuracy.

I referred to an idiom from ANIMAL FARM to describe whichever [and I truly don't know WHICH individuals might qualify among the broader cohort] individuals are MOST Vulcan mind-meld controlled by the globalist oligarchy's propagandized psych-ops deceptions so strongly as to divorce them from any semblance of real understanding of the political and other existential greased chute to hell the globalists have the nation and planet on.

Given that you SEEM to be unfamiliar with the idiom . . . it is a stark highlight of the fact that politically rising and powerful people [happened to be the pigs in ANIMAL FARM] quickly consider themselves better than everyone else and act abusively accordingly. And there are plenty of fans--particularly initially--hangers on and groupies to such powerful political folks . . . who end up abused and trashed along with everyone else at inevitable points in the rising tyranny.

and "misguided".

You are fussing over the "misguided" label??? I could show you a long list of extremely abusive labels specifically assigned to me hereon in countless posts--person-hood--personally outrageously assaultive labels . . . used to be routine.

I have no desire to label persons or their personhood assaultively because I do NOT KNOW which individuals such labels would justifiably and accurately apply to. However, I do KNOW that a certain cohort TENDS to have more such individuals than other cohorts.

And, I think it is REDEMPTIVE to sometimes rant sufficiently that individuals within such cohorts MIGHT by some very rare possibility take a look at their construction on reality and adjust it to better reality testing.

I'm not hostile to most individuals--except for George Soros, Hillary, O, Kissinger et al.

I am hostile to destructive ideas, principles, plans, structures, ideologies, globalist constructions on reality that are selling the nation and the masses on the planet down to a UN AGENDA 21 DEPOPULATION set of horrors . . . wherein the sheeple are shuffling into the death chamber maws of the modern Momrlach's blindly, compliantly and far too much without as much as a whimper or protest.

IF it is tooooo difficult a stretch to discern my distinction between being hostile to globalism vs individuals on ATS, that will have to be your problem. The evidence is there to consider.

Virtually always I string a list of descriptors from VERY INNOCUOUS to more fierce . . . folks CAN DETERMINE THEMSELVES WHERE AND IF they fit among the list of descriptors.

That's in CONTRAST to what is still routinely lobbed very personally toward my person and person-hood of a very insulting and hostile type of descriptor--with no option in the sentence construction for me to opt out--from the author's perspective.

In my first post, I simply disagreed with the message given. I didn't feel the need to insult others as you have. The Christ would not be pleased with your sentiment toward others and your outright enmity toward others with a different outlook than you...I guess you don't even undertand your own belief system?

Which part of Christ calling the RELIGIOUS LEADERS of that era

--white-washed tombs,
--deadly vipers
--hypocrites
--corrupt
--sons of satan

etc.

struck you as gentle and warmly friendly?

Sigh.

reply to post by bastion


Hello?

Evidently we are not only on very different planets, we are in very different multiverses.

Do you HONESTLY fail to see

how the globalist oligarchy

REDEFINED REALITY?

They have relentlessly and like the heat to the frog in the bucket

moved the goal posts

until what used to be seen by almost one and all as outrageously extremely MARXIST, left and liberal is now considered CENTERIST or worse????

It appears that the vast masses are SOOOOOOOOOOOO DECEIVED on such scores.

I prefer to think that ATSers are wiser than that regardless of those who seem so determined to prove otherwise.

Stay tuned.

They are redefining old age, too . . . downward . . . and that living too old is destructive to the planet and to be engineered out of possibility.

Did you never see LOGAN'S RUN?

Sigh.

reply to post by the owlbear


Evidently you are unaware of my repeated rants about the evils of globalism from the founding of our Republic to this point.

I've often posted George Washington's admission of the rot in the founding fathers cohort.

UnifiedSerenity


That is because in the UK liberals are called "Right" and conservatives are called "Left" and it's the opposite in America. Are you sure you are disagreeing with the OP or just arguing cause you know the truth and want to act like you don't?

Wait, what? No they're not.

reply to post by YodHeVauHe


Certainly I agree with your assessment about O-uncare.

And, political stooges on both sides of the aisle have been working to implement such tyranny for decades.

No surprise there.

Folks who deny that the globalists have long been moving the nation and the planet down the road to a bastardized Marxism married to a bastardized monopolistic capitalism are simply greatly uninformed, willfully blind, in denial or otherwise out of the loop of awareness.

It's interesting that when I post quotes of the globalists affirming that in their own words--folks AVOID dealing with such posts entirely.

I wonder if that's a sign that they are on the payroll of the globalists or merely willfully blind to avoid uncomfortable cognitive dissonance?

I don't understand why I can no longer star your posts.

We can argue all day on WHAT to call Obama.

The truth of the matter is that he is;
Anti Constitution
Anti freedom
Anti prosperity
Pro taxation
Pro regulation
Pro big government
Pro controlling government
Pro drones
Pro NSA spying


Debating on what kind of label to put on him is like two people in the path of a storm, one says a twister is coming, the other says no, it's a tornado!

Does it really matter what you call it?

It's still going to ruin your day.

reply to post by stirling


Which quote here from various sources do you not believe?

Many conservatives believe that the American voters' choice of George W. Bush as president marks a return to the founding values of our Republic, but it should be remembered that George W. Bush, like his father, George H. W. Bush, and his grandfather, Prescott Sheldon Bush, is a member of Skull and Bones.[6] It is the purpose of this article to show how Skull and Bones members (S&B) work in tandem with Rhodes Scholars (RS) and Fabian Socialists (FS) to form an important part of what is known as the power elite.
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1833: That year the Skull and Bones fraternity was organized at Yale University as Chapter 322 of a German fraternity.

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1883: What part has Skull & Bones played in our elections? Professor Carroll Quigley was President Clinton's mentor, and in Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World In our Time the professor revealed that William C. Whitney (S&B) and others, in the late 19th century, developed a plan to control both major political parties through financial contributions and have the two main parties alternate power so the public would think it had a choice.[7] Professor Quigley said Whitney's plan lasted about 16 years, and after that, the "Eastern Establishment" (power elite) moved the Democrat and Republican presidential candidates toward the political center:
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"...assiduously fostering the process behind the scenes ... and nearly met in the center with almost identical candidates and platforms, although the process was concealed, as much as possible, by the revival of ... meaningless war cries and slogans..."[8]

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Elsewhere Professor Quigley commented:

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"...the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy."[9]

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Professor Quigley was allowed to examine some of the "secret records" of the power elite, and found that in the late 19th century Cecil Rhodes had formed a secret society: "... to take the government of the whole world."[10]
1883-1884: The British Fabian Socialist Society was organized by George Bernard Shaw, H.G. Wells, Sidney Webb, Annie Besant, and others. Bertrand Russell joined the organization sometime later.

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1891: Cecil John Rhodes organized a secret society to take control of the world. His mentor at Oxford University was John Ruskin. Ruskin has a swastika engraved on his gravestone, just as Rhodes Trust member Rudyard Kipling has on the covers of his early books.[11] Prior to Adolph Hitler, the swastika, which reportedly also has been seen at the S&B vault at Yale University, was an elitist symbol. In an apparent contradiction, John Ruskin referred to himself as a Tory and a Communist. [12]However, one must realize that the elite have no qualms about working with both the political left and the political right, with an ultimate goal of synthesizing them into a world socialist government.

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As far as Rhodes was concerned, his plan would be carried out via Rhodes Scholars and Round Table Groups, which grew out of his secret "Society of the Elect." Rhodes' secret society lasted almost six decades, by which time enough of his people had penetrated the areas of politics, economics, journalism, and education so that his "conspiracy" was replaced by a network of the power elite. [13] We know that the conspiracy lasted well into the 20th century, because in 1931 one of its key operatives, historian Arnold Toynbee, wrote:

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"We are at present working discreetly with all our might to wrest this mysterious force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local nation states of the world. All the time we are denying with our lips what we are doing with our hands."[14]

From various sources compiled here:


twga...



twoday.net...

Which quotes above and at the links do you not understand or do not believe to be factual?

beezzer
We can argue all day on WHAT to call Obama.

The truth of the matter is that he is;
Anti Constitution
Anti freedom
Anti prosperity
Pro taxation
Pro regulation
Pro big government
Pro controlling government
Pro drones
Pro NSA spying



Debating on what kind of label to put on him is like two people in the path of a storm, one says a twister is coming, the other says no, it's a tornado!

Does it really matter what you call it?

It's still going to ruin your day.

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

Is it . . . NORMALCY BIAS?

or

Cognitive dissonance avoidance?

or

pride?

or

IGNORANCE?

or

cluelessness?

or

lack of awareness?

or

totally living in a cave on Mars their life long?

or

WHAT? That prevents normally bright folks from seeing such FACTS about THEIR OWN SCHEDULED DEMISE under UN Agenda 21 set up so ruthlessly by the globalists in their rush to their form of Marxism?
?

BO XIAN

beezzer
We can argue all day on WHAT to call Obama.

The truth of the matter is that he is;
Anti Constitution
Anti freedom
Anti prosperity
Pro taxation
Pro regulation
Pro big government
Pro controlling government
Pro drones
Pro NSA spying



Debating on what kind of label to put on him is like two people in the path of a storm, one says a twister is coming, the other says no, it's a tornado!

Does it really matter what you call it?

It's still going to ruin your day.

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

Is it . . . NORMALCY BIAS?

or

Cognitive dissonance avoidance?

or

pride?

or

IGNORANCE?

or

cluelessness?

or

lack of awareness?

or

totally living in a cave on Mars their life long?

or

WHAT? That prevents normally bright folks from seeing such FACTS about THEIR OWN SCHEDULED DEMISE under UN Agenda 21 set up so ruthlessly by the globalists in their rush to their form of Marxism?
?

People don't think it'll "happen to them".

By virtue of being a supporter they feel themselves exempt from what is coming.

Case in point; all the Obama supporters who now feel betrayed and shocked because their high costs due to Obamacare.

There will be deniers probably as they walk through the FEMA camp doors!

bastion
To anyone outside the US the claims are laughable as there's nothing remotely Socialist or Marxist about the Democrats or Obama.

Which . . . is a rather vivid demonstration of the effectiveness of the globalist's redefining reality in a gradual way over the decades until the masses in Europe now swallow the oligarchy's Kool-Aid and REDEFINING OF REALITY rather unflinchingly and undiscerningly.


Marxism is based on a classless, demonetarised, collective society. America is based on an capitalist defined class system and radical inividualism.


Oh, really?

Sooooooooooooo, I gather that Russia has not seen any hint of Marxism in the last 100 years?

LOLOLOLOLOL

And Maoist China did not display any hint of Marxism?

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I'm sure those who died in the gulags in Russia and China in the name of Marx are impressed with your description of "reality."

The "Marxism" you refer to is merely a fantasy devoid of any connection with living mortal human beings on this planet in all of recorded history.

The closest to it that even small groups achieved were Christians in loving mutually submissive groups just after Pentecost for a relatively short period.

Your "Marxism" has never existed on the planet. Pretending otherwise is a MARXIST REVISIONIST description of unreality.

beezzer

People don't think it'll "happen to them".

By virtue of being a supporter they feel themselves exempt from what is coming.

Case in point; all the Obama supporters who now feel betrayed and shocked because their high costs due to Obamacare.

There will be deniers probably as they walk through the FEMA camp doors!

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

Just like the Jews on the cattle cars were still convinced they were traveling to a better life, a new job, a brighter future.

And such folks are evidently ignorant of recorded history wherein the early supporters of such treason are among the first to the death chambers. New regimes wisely realize they cannot trust such ignorant stooges in the NEW ORDER and so exterminate them along with their more overt enemies.


Sigh.

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

Those graphics warrant being posted again.

They are soberingly accurate.

Folks need to wake up . . . the lives scheduled to be trashed are their own.

UnifiedSerenity

That may be true, but they also think Hitler was a conservative as in Republican sorts, when NAZI means "Nationals Socialist Party" while Russia, a communist nation believed in World socialism / communism, Hitler believed in national socialism and they are pretty much the same.

On a scale of capitalism to Russian / Chinese socialism, Hitler's socialism was just a couple spaces to the left of Russia and American's capitalism was completely on the opposite far left of Russia.

Yes, by all means Change equals Forward:

It is true, those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it! Sleep on ...

BO XIAN
It's re-branding. It's marketing.

Obama is a "right-winger" now. He's not a "socialist"
"Socialism" is good.
"Right-wingers" are bad.
"Freedom" means more government control.
"Terrorism" is disagreeing with your government.
"Patriotism" is paying taxes.


I could go on, but the point is, it' all the same. Just changing the name.

sheepslayer247
Obamcare is not killing the old and weak, he just wants to force a corporate service down your throat.

Have you really read so LITTLE of the actual documents?

Are you really unaware of the DEATH PANELS NOW REQUIRED?

Are you really unaware of the treatments now ordered WITHHELD regardless of how warranted, efficacious etc? merely because of age?

Did you never see LOGAN'S RUN?

Have you read none of the quotes here?

twoday.net...


twga...


Are you totally unaware of UN AGENDA 21?