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Baking Soda Cures Cancer???

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posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 08:15 AM
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I have lots of faith in the medical trades of this country. I have faith that they are trying to expand their business and get more workers reliant on their business to steer people into using their services. I know many people in the medical field, I do like to support them but am tired of getting picked and poked. You never seem to get cured either, just treated a little but never permanently.

This is not true about the medical fields in many other countries. I respect their system better than the American system. The cost of medical treatment has skyrocketed in this country and people rarely get the right treatment right away. Doctors who are trying to create work for their coworkers are the worst, they can diagnose something and perceive evidence to send you to the wrong specialist. I was sent to get tested for asthma the day after I was diagnosed with Pneumonia, with a test having been done that proved it was pneumonia. After flunking the asthma test I mentioned the pneumonia to the tester as he was telling me I had asthma. He shut his book and said he had wasted his time, that he cannot conclude anything. The doctor that prescribed this is a nice doctor, but maybe too nice, she is trying to support others in the trade.

You wonder why health insurance costs are getting so high. It is because this same thing is happening all over. Evidence to justify an unneeded test can be created by a doctor if they desire. Insurances don't care, they just raise premiums and cover the cost, they collect their share on a percentage and never lose money. If they start to lose money, they deny a claim. They raise deductibles. Obamacare just opened up the market and spread out the cost to all people, it did not solve the problem. The medical industry being a for profit business like it is in America is a bad idea. It should not be a big supplier of Jobs either, people will usually believe their job is necessary. They have been led to believe a lie.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 10:59 AM
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noefirecrest
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>Do you know why alternative medicine is called "alternative medicine"?
>Because if it worked, it would just be called "medicine".

In a world without conspiracies, this should certainly be true.

> that simple fact remains, Rife is ineffective.

Any double blind study to back such a claim?

>I did a lot of work in the early eighties on radio-frequency ablation of cardiac tissue in both a medical physics and physiological perspective so I'm quite well versed with the effects of multi-frequency "electricity" and its effects on cellular activity.
>In absolutely no theoretical perspective can Rife work and it's no surprise that when these theories are translated to practical applications it is found that it doesn't work either.

Have you ever investigated PEMF devices? Just search "PEMF" in pubmed, you ll find dozens of scientific papers on it... So what is your explanation? Magnetic frequencies work but electric ones do not?

>As for your understanding of blood (a pipe?)

My bad, "transportation system" is probably a better term.

>your absurd conclusion from the bicarb/lactate statement, well, you really need to comprehend a little more about how the body works before making statements like that

Sure... teach me. I love understanding more and more things. How is it that baking soda should have no effect outside of the stomach, but still seem to work for athletes (in sport medicine)?



Even in a world with conspiracies my statement is true.

A double-blind study to prove something is ineffective is contrary to scientific principle.
It is the onus of those who claim something works to prove it, not for people to disprove it.
Both physics and physiology theory tells us that Rife should not work.
No-one has proven otherwise and as I already mentioned, anecdotally no-one (including myself) has seen it work.
The inventor of Rife cited the usual quack cry of a medical cover-up especially when absolutely NONE of his claims could be independently reproduced.

PEMF is a completely different principle to Rife and is generally concerned with tissue repair whereas Rife alleges that it affects "microbes" whilst leaving "normal" cellular activity alone.
It's quackery of the highest order I'm afraid.


For bicarb and lactate in sportsmen I believe that to be a popular myth.
Bicarb will be neutralised when ingested and will not reach the bloodstream in any viable concentration to effect anything, let alone lactates.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

The only way that bicarb will affect any acid/base equilibrium in the body is if it is injected directly into the blood.
This is generally only done in very controlled conditions by very experienced medics usually during life or death scenarios.
(Please don't even think of doing this to yourself as you will more than likely die.)



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 01:22 PM
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The statements from those with apparently good biological knowledge, stating that sodium bicarbonate cannot effect body chemistry, contradict the results of using it to improve endurance by neutralising lactic acid.

JISSN

This effect is well known in sporting circles and has been the subject of a number of scientific studies.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 02:13 PM
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EasyPleaseMe
The statements from those with apparently good biological knowledge, stating that sodium bicarbonate cannot effect body chemistry, contradict the results of using it to improve endurance by neutralising lactic acid.

JISSN

This effect is well known in sporting circles and has been the subject of a number of scientific studies.


Thanks for the link. This is a very interesting study. I will agree that it appears that doping with bicarbonate for a few days, 5 days in this study, may increase performance. It does not however support the argument that ingesting bicarbonate significantly increases blood pH. The study showed a multi-day consumption of bicarbonate delays the fall in intramyocellular pH which naturally falls as a result of high intensity exercise. This delay seems to postpone the fatigue process and prolong intact muscle function, thus improving high-intensity exercise but only in the range of 10 to 20 min duration. They also found that prolonged intake actually decreased the performance-enhancing effect.

So, in short, this study does not contradict anything, but rather lends support to what I and others here are saying.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 02:20 PM
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While I haven't seen any evidence for a change in blood pH, how else could bicarbonate affect the muscles if not via the bloodstream?

This is a serious question, not a dig



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 02:43 PM
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EasyPleaseMe
The statements from those with apparently good biological knowledge, stating that sodium bicarbonate cannot effect body chemistry, contradict the results of using it to improve endurance by neutralising lactic acid.

JISSN

This effect is well known in sporting circles and has been the subject of a number of scientific studies.


Another mechanism that study doesn't really explore is the transient effect of the body's own pH buffers coming into play in reaction to the neutralisation of the ingested bicarb.
Personally I would suggest that this would play a huge part in any intracellular alkalosis. Possibly more than the actual ingested bicarb.

The study doesn't state anywhere that it neutralises lactic acid though and one study it cites as reference states backs this up too...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...,f1000m,isrctn

Strangely the study doesn't mention what food was eaten by the subjects and when.
This seems to be quite an important omission.

The important aspect of this study is the transience of any pH imbalance hence why the effects were relatively short-lived and unsustainable and hence why, in physiological terms, ingesting bicarb has no real and lasting effect on the body and this is the relevant area since the thread is about baking soda and cancer.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 03:08 PM
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Good success story. It's too bad you can't tell what helped exactly - but the point is it is gone! The medical field will label it a success due to the radiation, but you know it was probably more than that. If only the medical field were collecting stories like yours, and sifting through them for the likelihood of alternative remedies being more effective than radiation.

So I'm hoping to be clear in what you did so I can pass it on to someone I know with cancer.

1. Took maple syrup and added baking soda (maybe mix a tsp in with some syrup and put on a pancake)? Once a day or 3 times?

2. Then ionic minerals - I'm sure I could find those for her at the health food store. Liquid


The surprising part about all of this is that it includes sugar. I have always thought sugar to be toxic to the body so it will be a plus for her - since she can have something sweet and know it's helping.

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posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 03:34 PM
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Judging by the fact that blood bicarbonate levels are tested for in horse racing I would guess that some injested bicarb must reach the bloodstream sportscience

As you say the effect is probably short lived. The question is would a transient increase in blood bicarb levels affect cancerous tissue in any way?



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 04:31 PM
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EasyPleaseMe
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While I haven't seen any evidence for a change in blood pH, how else could bicarbonate affect the muscles if not via the bloodstream?

This is a serious question, not a dig


No worries, I don't take this as a dig.

In the increased performance study the blood pH isn't necessarily changed but rather kept from dropping as fast as normal. The blood is effected some how and since I'm not a chemist I don't really understand how, but it's definitely not enough to see a measurable and lasting increase or decrease.


To help answer the question you posed to pardon...




As you say the effect is probably short lived. The question is would a transient increase in blood bicarb levels affect cancerous tissue in any way?



The pH needed to kill cancer cells is 8.1 and higher. There is just no safe way to get the bodies pH to that level.

Here's a question I have. Since chemo drugs alkalize cells, what is the pH of the body while undergoing chemotherapy? I am looking for the answer but unfortunately all I get in my search results are these fad anti-cacer diet websites...

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posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 05:20 PM
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In the increased performance study the blood pH isn't necessarily changed but rather kept from dropping as fast as normal. The blood is effected some how and since I'm not a chemist I don't really understand how...


I wonder if this has to do with the difference between alkalinity and basicity. Alkalinity is more about the ability to buffer acidity whereas basicity is the measured value on the ph (acid-base) scale.

IIRC, baking soda is great for raising total alkalinity in a pool WITHOUT greatly affecting ph.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 06:36 PM
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GoldenBrain71
Trust me folks when I say that I am NOT a "disinformation agent." I love a good conspiracy theory even though most are total bunk, and respect everybody's opinion, but I am getting tired of reading really bad science on these forums. Giving people the idea that it's okay to muck around with the bodies pH is at best irresponsible and at worst REALLY dangerous. Doing this can cause renal failure and possibly death. It is not likely that you could ever reach the necessary pH level of 8.1 and above in order to kill cancer cells. You will most likely die before you reach this level of pH.

I haven't posted much since joining ATS, but with what I'm reading lately I just can't be silent anymore. So, please don't take it personally if you're one of those that I'm debating. I'm not targeting anybody personally, but rather the misinformation being regurgitated in some of these threads.

Peace to all!!!


I agree...that's why it bothers me. The people saying this stuff are not facing a life and death decision ....I just found out that my cancer is gone....100 percent gone. I had chemo and radiation, along with modifying my diet. Had I disregarded my doctor's advice, I would not be here right now. My doctor never tried to force me to do anything...he gave me info and let me decide......If someone just takes what some guy on the internet says will work, well all I can say is good luck. There is so much BS on the internet....I am not saying that it is ALL BS, but you just have to be careful...even with your doctor. I combined traditional treatment with nutritional changes and it worked for me....we just have to be careful when it comes to posting things about what can mean the difference between life and death for someone....especially if you are not a person who had an education in the medical field. Doctors go to school for a very long time for a REASON....because the human body is a complex thing.
It is not something to be taken lightly.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 06:50 PM
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Alkalinity is more about the ability to buffer acidity whereas basicity is the measured value on the ph (acid-base) scale.

Not really. While you could say that an acid is any substance with a pH of less than 7.5 and a base (or alkali) is a substance with a pH greater than 7.5, both are relative terms. Both apply to pH. "Less acid" pretty much means the same thing as "more alkaline".


You cannot raise alkalinity without affecting pH, by definition.


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posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 07:08 PM
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DenyObfuscation
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In the increased performance study the blood pH isn't necessarily changed but rather kept from dropping as fast as normal. The blood is effected some how and since I'm not a chemist I don't really understand how...


I wonder if this has to do with the difference between alkalinity and basicity. Alkalinity is more about the ability to buffer acidity whereas basicity is the measured value on the ph (acid-base) scale.

IIRC, baking soda is great for raising total alkalinity in a pool WITHOUT greatly affecting ph.



It probably has a lot to do with buffering acidity. In the athletic performance study they found the gains were short term, like 10 - 20 minutes. This is about the same amount of time as an antacid works so it's probably very similar.

At some point the body will compensate so that's probably why they are seeing a performance decrease with long term use. So called doping with bicarbonate would be good for one race but not for a long event like the olympics. In my humble, non chemist opinion that is.
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posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 07:11 PM
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I just found out that my cancer is gone....100 percent gone.


That's really awesome StealthyKat!

Peace and love to you and yours!
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posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 07:15 PM
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What am I missing here?


Alkalinity is a measure of the capacity of water or any solution to neutralize or “buffer” acids. This measure of acid-neutralizing capacity is important in figuring out how “buffered” the water is against sudden changes in pH.

Alkalinity should not be confused with pH. pH is a measure of the hydrogen ion (H+) concentration, and the pH scale shows the intensity of the acidic or basic character of a solution at a given temperature. The reason alkalinity is sometime confused with pH is because the term alkaline is used to describe pH conditions greater than 7 (basic).

The most important compounds in water that determine alkalinity include the carbonate (CO32-) and bicarbonate (HCO3-) ions. Carbonate ions are able to react with and neutralize 2 hydrogen ions (H+) and the bicarbonate ions are able to neutralize H+ or hydroxide ions (OH-) present in water. The ability to resist changes in pH by neutralizing acids or bases is called buffering.

water.me.vccs.edu...



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 07:35 PM
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The whole medical profession was employed from it's inception
to be corrupt and deceitful and even murderous in it's absolute
hipocrisy.

What a nice and wonderful world.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 08:06 PM
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What am I missing here?

Not a thing.

But I missed the context of what you were talking about and confused, as pointed out in your external quote, "alkalinity" with "alkaline".

I blame being very happy about the good news from StealthyKat preventing me from paying proper attention.



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 08:47 PM
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I just found out that my cancer is gone....100 percent gone.


That's really awesome StealthyKat!

Peace and love to you and yours!
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Thanks GB! I am very happy!



posted on Oct, 18 2013 @ 08:51 PM
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Phage
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What am I missing here?

Not a thing.

But I missed the context of what you were talking about and confused, as pointed out in your external quote, "alkalinity" with "alkaline".

I blame being very happy about the good news from StealthyKat preventing me from paying proper attention.


**smiling**




posted on Oct, 19 2013 @ 01:56 AM
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So I guess this internet cure stems from someone learning that alkilinity levels greater than 8 kill cancer cells in the lab, therefor inferring that injesting an alkiline substance will kill cancer. Unfortunately they missed out the complex system between the digestive system and the cancer.



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