Solomon. Why so little information regarding its footprints historically?

WarminIndy
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WarminIndy
The Dome of the Rock was built by Muslims who believe Mohammed ascended to heaven in a dream and had nothing to do with Scholomo's Temple. He had the first temple, Herod the Great built the second temple, the one which Templars never saw, as it was destroyed in 70 AD.

Dont tell me the Visigoths first assault on Rome (a practice run).
Mohammed ascended to wherever, hopefully the same place Confusious parked his butt as they have much in common. When did Solomon build the first temple and why did Herodian aristocracy allow Jeruselem to be destroyed (this was a Roman Seaport gateway and all those soldiers guarding). The templars never saw either as this was oh 1200 years later when the crusades were in full swing. Coincidently, Qumran was destroyed in 70AD BY THE ROMANS Uh oh, did they turn on Herods son?

WarminIndy
The Matrix was a movie, there is no red and blue pill other than what the screenwriter wrote into it, then the actors played the part, while the cameras rolled and the director gave direction. The Matrix was a made up movie, there is no red and blue pill.

The matrix? Yes it was a movie a piece of made up celluloid that people paid millions of shekels to see. How does this make sense to my OP?

WarminIndy
Da Vinci did not paint the seder meal correctly as he knew nothing about Jewish subjects. Of course you are going to read anything you want into it because Da Vinci, as smart as he was, did not portray it correctly in the first place. So you are reading into conspiracy theories of people who also don't know what a seder meal is. Da Vinci used artistic license.

DaVinci? I was referencing Michaelangelo. Im not a conspiracy theorist, I tell the truth as I know it to be, however DaVinci was put here to enlighten mankind, Im sure he cares not anything what anyone gains from his stupendously brilliant creations (if remembered and valued is enough).

WarminIndy
If you really want to know the truth, start reading DATES of events instead of randomly believing some conspiracy nut who feeds you wrong information.

Dates? I dont work with linear time (its a false human contruction). Random conspiracy nut? There should be a poster child FAMOUS out there that I would know the name of then to follow and be a faithfull minion.

WarminIndy
Gnosticism is Greek Christian mysticism and they had nothing to do with the events of Jesus' life. In fact, one of the books The Gospel of Thomas was written well after Thomas had already gone to India, where he died. So nope, the Gnostic Gospels are not even correct and they are a source of misinformation.

Greek Gnostic texts had an origin, and it wasnt Greece it was Qumran BUT NOT FIRST they originated FAR back in history (but happening all at the same time). So you are not of the Gnostic Nature, tendency; at least I understand the dimensions of your formidible SOAPBOX.

WarminIndy
Coptic is the indigenous people of Egypt who were Christian before the Islamic invasion. They still speak liturgical Coptic, but a Copt is a native Egyptian, the Arab Muslims came later.
King Solomon's mines is the stuff of legend. That has a much basis as King Arthur in Avalon and the sword in the stone. The Templar Knights never saw Solomon's Temple, they never even saw Herod's Temple, what they did see was the Dome of the Rock.

Jesus was tutored in Egypt as a child, he learned the basics of Coptic, Greek and Aramaic there; hey he was a bright kid. Im not sure how King Arthur jives with King Solomon, but there you have it, you might be onto something.

WarminIndy
And if you think Da Vinci was part of a super secret organization intended to destroy the powers of the Catholic Church by encoding secret messages into artwork for only those other members to see, then that is completely unfounded. In fact, the Da Vinci Code was based on a much earlier book, and yet the Holy Grail search had NOTHING to begin with the Templar Knights, unless you count Sir Gawain and Sir Galahad as Knights Templar. And since the legend of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table was already old by the time the Knights Templar existed, the Holy Grail was just a legend in a story. You should really read some dates in history.

Oh very passionate one that I find endearing: I have no idea where or why you are bringing this information into this OP but I like your SPIRIT (and its good information). You do not know what the 'Holy Grail' is. There is nothing to chase or find as its not PHYSICAL not a chalise or a belief SYSTEM, ITS A BLOODLINE period.

vethumanbeing
WarminIndy

Jesus was tutored in Egypt as a child, he learned the basics of Coptic, Greek and Aramaic there

Can you be sure of that, or is that something someone assumed and then wrote it down? Can you tell us then who his tutor was and where did He go to school? I am sure that something as important as being tutored means He had a tutor, and that tutor should have a name. So what's the name of His tutor?

You do not know what the 'Holy Grail' is. There is nothing to chase or find as its not PHYSICAL not a chalise or a belief SYSTEM, ITS A BLOODLINE period.

LOL, everything you just rebutted with is from recent times. The King Arthur legend fails to mention Mary Magdalene in the Holy Grail search, and since they were originators of the story, you would think they would have included that one, but alas, no mention of Mary Magdalene.

Here is the King Arthur Legend and it was written down at the end of the 12th Century. But who put the incidentals of Joseph of Arimathea? Robert De Boron, who was not the originator of the story, just a revisionist.

Who constructed Joseph of Arimathea as being the all-important guy who does this? Robert De Boron. Who took a name from the Biblical story and made a whole new thing? Robert De Boron.

Robert de Boron c1200 Despite being famous for his cycle of Arthurian Romances centred around the Holy Grail, very little is known about Robert de Boron. He was a French poet of the late 12th and early 13th centuries, probably originally from the village of Boron, in Montbéliard, France. He was the author of a two surviving poems, Joseph d'Arimathe and Merlin; Merlin survives only in fragments. The two are thought to have been part of a trilogy (or tetralogy) which also contained a verse Perceval, and possibly a Mort Artu (Death of Arthur). In 1202, his master is known to have taken part in the Fourth Crusade from which he never returned, dying abroad ten years later. So Robert's Arthurian trilogy must have been written in the late 12th century, probably after the Glastonbury monks' 1191 "discovery" of King Arthur's body. His poems were the inspiration for the later Vulgate Cycle of Arthurian tales. Robert was the first to identify Sir Percival's Grail as the Last Supper vessel used by St. Joseph of Arimathea to collect the blood of Christ from the Cross.

Almost there....the blood.

So who turned it into a bloodline? It was never considered a bloodline before the 20th century. So how did Robert De Boron fail to mention Mary Magdalene as well? From De Boron to the 20th century, there was no concept about the holy bloodline, that is a recent revision not based on the original legend at all.

How this matters about Solomon, as people want to think the Freemasons constructed the first temple, because Solomon had a ring that made demons do work for him, and then he learned this from Hiram of Tyre, who then told the mystery to the Jewish Kabbalhists, who then told it to the Freemasons, who then went in search of the holy grail under the guise as Knights Templar, to find a cup, knowing it was a bloodline?

BTW, in some legends it is Galahad that is the decendant of Joseph of Arimathea who was supposed to find it, but other legends have it as Percival finding it...in Glastonbury, but then it was moved and no one could find it. So there you have it in a nutshell, the legend comes from none other than Robert De Boron, who simply revised an earlier legend. King Arthur as a knight on horseback comes from Chretien De Troyes. He also fails to mention Mary Magdalene.

The first source of evidence is a poem which has been preserved in Wales but which originates in the land we know now as Scotland. This poem 'The Gododdin' mentions Arthur in one line. The Gododdin were ancient Britons who inhabited the Kingdom of Manann/Manau. We have therefore a connection between Arthur and the Gododdin and also with the Kingdom of Manann/Manau, which lay on the south bank of the River Forth, in what we now call Scotland.

Again, no mention of Mary Magdalene here either and we have gone as far back as the King Arthur legends allow us. It is no bloodline, that part was the fourth revision of the same story, which was embellished every time.

Solomon's temple was not kabbahlistic, no kabbahlists designed it, no kabbahlists gave any secret architecture that sent knights from all over Europe to look for something that didn't exist.

WarminIndy
vethumanbeing
WarminIndy

Veteran Mummification Expert Jesus was tutored in Egypt as a child, he learned the basics of Coptic, Greek and Aramaic there.

WarminIndy
Can you be sure of that, or is that something someone assumed and then wrote it down? Can you tell us then who his tutor was and where did He go to school? I am sure that something as important as being tutored means He had a tutor, and that tutor should have a name. So what's the name of His tutor?

I am absolutely sure, and no assumptions or writing of anything down; as ITS JUST NOT JESUS STYLE (in the first place more of a RAPPER or Oral traditionalist even at age 7), he never documented NO key locked DIARY (no heartfelt hallmark greeting cards sent either, US postal system cutbacks to blame). He did not per se go to "school" he was tutored at home humbly secluded (the point was to not draw attention to this very gifted child. The name of his tutors triumvirate; Rabbi 1 Abraham, Rabbi 2 Hermes Trismegistus, Rabbi 3 Herododus.

VeteranhumanbeingYou do not know what the 'Holy Grail' is. There is nothing to chase or find as its not PHYSICAL not a chalise or a belief SYSTEM, ITS A BLOODLINE period.

WarminIndy
LOL, everything you just rebutted with is from recent times. The King Arthur legend fails to mention Mary Magdalene in the Holy Grail search, and since they were originators of the story, you would think they would have included that one, but alas, no mention of Mary Magdalene.

I thought King Arthur legend sprang from the mind of W.H. White? "Sword and the Stone (famous masogynist author) Or maybe Sir Thomas Malory "Le Morte D'arthur" (no sense there as a D before a sir name is obviously NORMAN derivation). Mary Magdalene would be the carrier of the primordial eve genome, but as she had no children (as far as history do tells falsly) the bloodline is done, closed ended.

WarminIndy
Here is the King Arthur Legend and it was written down at the end of the 12th Century. But who put the incidentals of Joseph of Arimathea? Robert De Boron, who was not the originator of the story, just a revisionist.

Im not working with linear time, books or moviedome. I work in the area of "everything is happening at once and can be accessed if you know what your doing" . Ive spoken about Joseph of Arimathea, and his role in keeping his guardianship of this special child safe. He wasnt just fantastically wealthy (for that time period, he owned all of the land between 2 hills in Jeruselem) tin merchant with seagoing ships..I believe he was actually Isaiah reincarnated to protect and instruct this being.

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Who constructed Joseph of Arimathea as being the all-important guy who does this? Robert De Boron. Who took a name from the Biblical story and made a whole new thing? Robert De Boron.

NO because Josephs family bone boxes within a cave tomb have been discovered in Jeruselem ?2009 under a modernday apartment complex (between 2 hills, thus his last name's meaning Aramathea).

WarminIndy
Almost there....the blood.
How this matters about Solomon, as people want to think the Freemasons constructed the first temple, because Solomon had a ring that made demons do work for him, and then he learned this from Hiram of Tyre, who then told the mystery to the Jewish Kabbalhists, who then told it to the Freemasons, who then went in search of the holy grail under the guise as Knights Templar, to find a cup, knowing it was a bloodline?

Hiram of Tyre; you mean Adoniram. I never said Solomon was a 'good guy'. The mystery was in how to levitate stone, how through sound could melt its edges to fit perfectly without mortaring it. This was a practice used in all areas of temple mount masonry found all over the world (not really that special). The 'grail' then as I understand it was the cup that Jesus drank from at the last supper. It also has been found, a simple alabaster cup found in Scotland (Glastonbury). The secret is still out there: the bloodline of the Davidians mixed with GOD PARTICAL.

WarminIndy
Solomon's temple was not kabbahlistic, no kabbahlists designed it, no kabbahlists gave any secret architecture that sent knights from all over Europe to look for something that didn't exist.

Its all in the numbers and you have no notion that the idea of GOD=GEOMETRY, GEOMETRY DESCRIBES A SACRED GOD OF ABSOLUTE AND UNBOUNDED ONENESS.

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Arthur, the once and future king to come again out of the mists of Avalon, was a Dark Ages legend and everything surrounding him has been embellished including the Holy Grail, from which the topic derives. The writers in the Middle Ages constructed a world around Arthur. So see, you process of not working with linear time isn't working out so well.

Jesus mentions the splendor of Solomon when He says "consider the lillies" but He also said the Queen of Sheba will rise in judgment against the last generation because she came to hear the wisdom of Solomon, but a greater than Solomon is here. So if Jesus is greater than Solomon, then you are going in the wrong direction when it comes to mysteries of geometry.

As the OP had put it, and even got the meaning of the name wrong, said it means sun and moon, which are not correct. Then there was a long thread about etymology, which no one seems to get that Hebrew is not derived from Greek, nor the opposite.

There is no mystery geometry that can levitate bricks by the power of crystals. How many would you need anyway to raise a brick? It's one thing to present triangles and say they have some kind of power, but in essence a triangle simply is a triangle, nothing more. They symbolism involved only means something to the believer of the triangle.

Why didn't Solomon build the temple as a pyramid? Because he did not worship in the Egyptian style. Solomon's temple was a rectangle with an inner and outer court with the ark of the covenant placed in the most holy place behind curtains, that were rectangles. You are using sacred geometry to explain a building that you didn't even know what it looked like, let alone believe the dimensions listed in the Bible.

And Solomon didn't even design the temple, David did. But they furnished it with the ark, a menorah and a large cauldron of water for the purification rituals, the tables of showbread. These things had been in the tabernacle before David decided to build a temple.

And Jesus was most definitely not an Essene, neither was He educated in Egypt. He was there as a baby but grew up in Nazareth as the people in Nazareth knew who He was. He was an orthodox Jew who wore the prayer shawl and the phylacteries and didn't cut the sides of His beard. He was so orthodox that He kept a kosher Passover seder meal.

Now as far as women's rights, can you tell us what rights women didn't have? The Elephantine Letters prove that women had rights as much as men. But you are thinking about the woman about to be stoned, well that was against one woman, not all women and it was about adultery and not because she had no rights.

WarminIndy
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WarminIndy
Arthur, the once and future king to come again out of the mists of Avalon, was a Dark Ages legend and everything surrounding him has been embellished including the Holy Grail, from which the topic derives. The writers in the Middle Ages constructed a world around Arthur. So see, you process of not working with linear time isn't working out so well.

I never brought up Arthur, you did. I have always thought of the Uthor/Camelot (Kennedy dynasty) to be taken as 'legend': a metaphor. The scribes of the middle ages were monks and I dont see 'fiction' being a priority (creative writing). Though I could see Swift, Cervantes ,Voltaire or Zola may have incarnated in future lives (no wonder they are so angry).

WarminIndy
Jesus mentions the splendor of Solomon when He says "consider the lillies" but He also said the Queen of Sheba will rise in judgment against the last generation because she came to hear the wisdom of Solomon, but a greater than Solomon is here. So if Jesus is greater than Solomon, then you are going in the wrong direction when it comes to mysteries of geometry.

You may think Im nuts (NO HER) but I have a niece that insists she is the reincarned Sheba. How does one answer this? I dont know who Jesus is, I do not understand the lack of forensic evidence of his existance. He for some reason is NOT TELLING and never left a viable FOOTPRINT. Was he an insert by others, just as James Cameron inserted the IDEA of an "Avalon" civilization upon the world: PAYING FULL TICKET PRICE consciousness? Sheba was only 1 of (I hear 1000 wives) is what you are saying made her a standout? Jesus was not of the mathmatical or apparently the "documenting by journal writing to be left for antiquity future speculation or scutiny by scholars". I see him as a sacrifical goat/lamb that was tricked into doing something he regrets to this day.

WarminIndy
As the OP had put it, and even got the meaning of the name wrong, said it means sun and moon, which are not correct. Then there was a long thread about etymology, which no one seems to get that Hebrew is not derived from Greek, nor the opposite.

As I put it in the OP, I had only HEARD Solomon meant to some cultures, son and moon combined. Sol=sun,Mon=moon. The bickering between the etymologists, yes; and Hebrew and Greek are significantly different. I think the arguement was that Old, Middle English came from Hebrew as a ROOT languange. NOT TRUE.

WarminIndy
There is no mystery geometry that can levitate bricks by the power of crystals. How many would you need anyway to raise a brick? It's one thing to present triangles and say they have some kind of power, but in essence a triangle simply is a triangle, nothing more. They symbolism involved only means something to the believer of the triangle.

Not bricks 12"x4"x3", 20 ton behemoths. There is mystery in geometry that can; applied with sound do this, levitate objects. Sacred geometry also is the form that makes life/cells duplicate, in nature easy to see as fractal coastlines, snowflakes. I actually have a drawing of "THE START POINT ABSOLUTE ZERO (birth of creation)" Its deceptively simple and of course it would be. You speak of triangles as just being 2d. If you 3d them and fit them together as a merkaba and spin them in opposite directions you can create a field around your body, visualise the star of David, add yourself at the center, the other. It would read nine points in the 2d.

WarminIndy
Why didn't Solomon build the temple as a pyramid? Because he did not worship in the Egyptian style. Solomon's temple was a rectangle with an inner and outer court with the ark of the covenant placed in the most holy place behind curtains, that were rectangles. You are using sacred geometry to explain a building that you didn't even know what it looked like, let alone believe the dimensions listed in the Bible.

What was so interesting about the Ark of the Covenant that the Temple was of the same dimension? Pagan Hermetic tradition pre-dating Christianity; the pyramid was a battery energy source.

WarminIndy
And Jesus was most definitely not an Essene, neither was He educated in Egypt. He was there as a baby but grew up in Nazareth as the people in Nazareth knew who He was. He was an orthodox Jew who wore the prayer shawl and the phylacteries and didn't cut the sides of His beard. He was so orthodox that He kept a kosher Passover seder meal.

He was as a child educated (tutored in Egypt).
The only reason he wore 2 long curls IN HIS HAIR grown from either temple side (not his beard); is because this was a Nazerine tradition (to identify his place of origin) . He wasnt Hassidic, (diamond district Brooklyn NY). An orthodox Jew would have married at 19 and had 5 children by the age of 30 and thought of as more than slightly STRANGE as a bachelor unattached at this age. He was so 'orthodox' his own religion killed him for his devotion, devout Saduccee or Pharacee? Whats left 'Essene".

WarminIndy
Now as far as women's rights, can you tell us what rights women didn't have? The Elephantine Letters prove that women had rights as much as men. But you are thinking about the woman about to be stoned, well that was against one woman, not all women and it was about adultery and not because she had no rights.

Women were sold/traded like sheep, they had the exact same rights sheep had I suppose. Mary at 13 was sold/traded to the widower Joseph (had 5 children and was over 3 times her age).

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You have jumped on a lot of assumptions. The biggest assumption being that as an Orthodox Jew in those days He would be married at 19 and have 5 kids soon thereafter. Can you show us that was the cultural norm of the day? Can you show us any reference outside of conspiracy theories to prove that point? No you can't, because it's an assumption.

He was not a Nazarite and had not taken the Nazarite vow. Part of the Nazarite vow is never to touch grapes or wine or drink them or eat them. As we know, He did turn water into wine at the request of His mother, so nope, not a Nazarite. You should have spent more time researching that one.

There is no evidence that He was an Essene, so it's just another assumption. But the Essenes also wore camel hair and not the prayer shawl, which Jesus wore. He never wore camel hair clothing. So nope, not an Essene.

The Essenes were known for abstinence of worldly pleasure, however, we do see Jesus interacting in parties with the Pharisees. While He was not married, it is no great surprise as He knew the purpose for coming into the world in the first place. He knew that His life was to be cut short, so it would be improper to marry a wife knowing she was going to be widowed soon. But the church is the Bride of Christ.

The Essenes also lived a communal life. We know this is not what Jesus was a part of, as his disciple Peter lived in the same house as his mother-in-law, not with the rest of the disciples. Andrew was his brother and they were both fishermen. They didn't live in a communal setting. Matthew Levi was a tax collector. Luke was a gentile physician. How could a gentile live among the rest of the communal Essenes? He couldn't. Therefore, Jesus was NOT an Essene. His cousin John may have been, but not Jesus and Jesus certainly didn't do the daily immersions.

The Essenes were known for STRICT observance of the Sabbath, and yet Jesus taught that there could be extenuating circumstances for breaking the Sabbath and even declared that Sabbath was created for man, and not man for the Sabbath, which is the opposite of Essene teaching.

While you jump on assumptions, just remember that those assumptions were based on not knowing the real information. As the Essenes believed in communal property and gave up commercial ventures, it does not appear that Jesus in His own teachings and mannerisms even supported this. The disciples who still owned boats still went out to fish in them. The disciples still collected money for taxes. The disciples still collected money for other purposes. So no, not an Essene. Everyone who knew Jesus, knew Joseph was a carpenter by trade. And as the Essenes did not partake in commercial ventures, Joseph could not have been an Essene either. And to top it off, Mary could not have been an Essene as her cousin was a high priest, and Essenes were never high priests. She took Jesus to the temple on the eighth day according to the law of Moses after she fulfilled her seven days of uncleanness according to the law of Moses. In the temple, it was Simeon, not an Essene, who blessed the baby.

Jesus was an Orthodox Jew. He handled the wine, and wine was at the Passover Seder meal, and since the Nazarites vowed never to touch wine or grapes, means they were not Essene nor Nazarite.

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The Matrix was a movie, there is no red and blue pill other than what the screenwriter wrote into it, then the actors played the part, while the cameras rolled and the director gave direction. The Matrix was a made up movie, there is no red and blue pill.

Morpheus: The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

Morpheus: Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.

Morpheus: know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know, you can't explain. But you feel it. You felt it your entire life. That there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there. Like a splinter in your mind - driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Morpheus: The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

Neo: What truth?

Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.

Morpheus: What is the Matrix? Control. The Matrix is a computer-generated dream world built to keep us under control in order to change a human being into this.

[holds up a Duracell battery]

Neo: No, I don't believe it. It's not possible.

Morpheus: I didn't say it would be easy, Neo. I just said it would be the truth.

Trinity: I know why you're here, Neo. I know what you've been doing... why you hardly sleep, why you live alone, and why night after night, you sit by your computer. You're looking for him. I know because I was once looking for the same thing. And when he found me, he told me I wasn't really looking for him. I was looking for an answer. It's the question that drives us, Neo. It's the question that brought you here. You know the question, just as I did.

Neo: What is the Matrix?

Trinity: The answer is out there, Neo, and it's looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to.

Morpheus: I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.

Morpheus: If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain

Morpheus: Throughout human history, we have been dependent on machines to survive. Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony.

Agent Smith: We're willing to wipe the slate clean, give you a fresh start. All that we're asking in return is your cooperation in bringing a known terrorist to justice.

You see the truth can never be hidden, they're having a laugh. It's right in front of the millions of mindless consumers, and yet they fail to realize.

King Solomon's mines is the stuff of legend. That has a much basis as King Arthur in Avalon and the sword in the stone. The Templar Knights never saw Solomon's Temple, they never even saw Herod's Temple, what they did see was the Dome of the Rock.

Eh it was the Al-Aqsa mosque so why should I believe you over my gut instinct? your theories seem to be just as flawed as mine. First you accuse me of getting my info from Jordan Maxwell and now it's the Da Vinci code? A fairy tale I've never bothered reading.

Just per your information for future reference, Freemasonry is not about a single religion, it invites every religion. But many fundamental Muslims denounce Freemasonry because it includes other religions. Kabbahlaism does not teach about levitation or other things, it is strictly metaphysical. If it were true then Madonna could fly without an airplane, but since we have never seen Madonna do any of that stuff you say Kabbalaism can do, then why isn't it being performed today? Did the power go out after Solomon died?

You really do take me for a fool? I know loads and loads of Muslims that are Freemasons, and I have a good understanding of what it is.... The conspiracy here involves the bankers, the religious leaders and the rituals brought forth from Babylon and Egypt. I'm not blaming it on Freemasonry, I'm blaming it on SECRET SOCIETIES as a whole. You keep telling me to work with dates, how does 3500bc sound?

WarminIndy
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WarminIndy
You have jumped on a lot of assumptions. The biggest assumption being that as an Orthodox Jew in those days He would be married at 19 and have 5 kids soon thereafter. Can you show us that was the cultural norm of the day? Can you show us any reference outside of conspiracy theories to prove that point? No you can't, because it's an assumption.

It certainly was not the norm to be a bachelor at age 33 (ESPECIALLY) if you were Othodox and as you seem to think was a Rabbi.

WarminIndy
He was not a Nazarite and had not taken the Nazarite vow. Part of the Nazarite vow is never to touch grapes or wine or drink them or eat them. As we know, He did turn water into wine at the request of His mother, so nope, not a Nazarite. You should have spent more time researching that one.

I never said he was a Nazarite, I said he was a Nazarene (family digs hometown so to speak).

WarminIndy
There is no evidence that He was an Essene, so it's just another assumption. But the Essenes also wore camel hair and not the prayer shawl, which Jesus wore. He never wore camel hair clothing. So nope, not an Essene.

I said he studied at Qumran I never said he was an Essene, just as I never claimed him to be a Hindu, even though he studied in India.

WarminIndy
The Essenes were known for abstinence of worldly pleasure, however, we do see Jesus interacting in parties with the Pharisees. While He was not married, it is no great surprise as He knew the purpose for coming into the world in the first place. He knew that His life was to be cut short, so it would be improper to marry a wife knowing she was going to be widowed soon. But the church is the Bride of Christ.

Pharicees were the Orthodox, (oral tradition) priests, those guys like Ciaphas, not sure they partied hardy at all.
So, he mingled with the best of richest. He did not know his life ending was to be a tortured one by Romans while all of his rich Sadduce friends watched and did nothing to help him. Widowed so early in life? What was life expectancy back then? 50? Your information comes from the 'Book of Jesus', Gnostic texts uncataloged, or the invisable one in the new testament, or the one penned by a Ghost Writer?

WarminIndy
The Essenes also lived a communal life. We know this is not what Jesus was a part of, as his disciple Peter lived in the same house as his mother-in-law, not with the rest of the disciples. Andrew was his brother and they were both fishermen. They didn't live in a communal setting. Matthew Levi was a tax collector. Luke was a gentile physician. How could a gentile live among the rest of the communal Essenes? He couldn't. Therefore, Jesus was NOT an Essene. His cousin John may have been, but not Jesus and Jesus certainly didn't do the daily immersions.

Luke? he was AD 70 years later, 7 generations past the time of crucifixion traveling companion of Paul the (I WILL CREATE GREEK OTHODOXY CATHOLISM and userp warp the message of Jesus singlehandedly) masogynist. That community at Qumran was destroyed in 70 AD, so of course not, the Essenes commuity were Qaput! Have you read the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? They are identical and feel like they were actually written by the same diabolical author (of different time periods no less) Cookie cutter style.

WarminIndy
The Essenes were known for STRICT observance of the Sabbath, and yet Jesus taught that there could be extenuating circumstances for breaking the Sabbath and even declared that Sabbath was created for man, and not man for the Sabbath, which is the opposite of Essene teaching.

Im not sure where you are getting your information from, because they were not so strict as you think. Women and children had the same rights as men, were taught/educated as equals. Shared the same bath. All of these teachings were central to his ministry EQUALITY.

WarminIndy
While you jump on assumptions, just remember that those assumptions were based on not knowing the real information. As the Essenes believed in communal property and gave up commercial ventures, it does not appear that Jesus in His own teachings and mannerisms even supported this. The disciples who still owned boats still went out to fish in them. The disciples still collected money for taxes. The disciples still collected money for other purposes.

I dont know, he was always persuading his wealthy friends to be more generous to poor, and if he were tell them not to be wealthy merchants (LIKE HIS GODFATHER Joseph of Aramethea) where would the trickle down come from. He was speaking about 'worldly things' being unimportant "Because the Kingdom of Heaven" will supply all of ones needs (and dont forget it exists within you). You take everything he said too literally. He was if anything a REALIST (share the wealth and spread it around kind of guy).