A theory on UFO's, quantum mechanics and the nature of Reality.

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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 06:32 PM
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I've noticed some similarities over the years, between UFO encounters and other paranormal events like time slips. During the Rendelsham forest UFO encounter for instance. The ufo encountered by two military personnel, at the same time, appeared completely differently to both men. One saw and touched a solid triangular craft, where as the other saw a glowing orb of energy. Also the craft was said to make no noise and did not disturb the air in any way once it lifted off.
So a physical object appearing at the same time, yet takes on two totally different forms, apparently depending on who happens to be observing it?
This same phenomena is well known in quantum physics and is known as the observer effect. Meaning that atomic particles only take a fixed position once a conscious being looks at them. Otherwise a particle is in a constant state of flux where it can be determined to be anywhere or in multiple places at the same time, (Schrodinger's cat).
Some physicists even go as far as to say that as the universe is made of subatomic particles, it stands to reason that everything we observe only becomes "real" the moment we observe it..including the screen your reading right now, including your own body. Crazy? Most people would say yes...However this is how the quantum world works and everything is basically the quantum world, when you think about it.
And the facts are consciousness affects the outcome of matter, somehow, at least on the very small scale.
So if some UFO's are able to scale up the observer effect..and use quantum mechanics to bend space time and even what we know as reality, then it would explain how the same object could appear as two separate things at the same time.
If an object can move in unconventional ways through the air, apparently using some form of gravity manipulation, then it should still leave some physical disturbance in its wake, like a down draft or something? Perhaps once again this is not what is actually happening. This might also explain why there is no physical evidence when people encounter UFO's.
They can be seen and even touched for a brief moment but they seem able to appear and vanish much in the same way as ghosts are reported to do.
Material and yet immaterial objects at the same time? Once again it seems to be linked to quantum mechanics.
So if "real" physical objects can enter and leave our reality at will, and appear differently to different people, then it would also indicate our reality is not as real as we perceive it to be.
In conclusion, I believe to find the solution to the UFO phenomena we need to first deconstruct our own beliefs about our own reality.
Whoever or whatever is operating these UFO's and other manifestations, clearly has the ability to view reality on a much more plastic and bendable scale than we do.
If reality is not fixed, as I believe is the case, then that has implications beyond UFO's and anything else. It would finally prove that the literal experience of reality is the so called matrix.
And if we finally realize we are nothing but manifestations of our own collective imaginations..then what? Perhaps that's why we cant crack the UFO problem..how many people really want to see the true face of reality and unravel everything you thought you knew, literally, including your very being?

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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 06:38 PM
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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 06:43 PM
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This is an astute observation of the given fact's, excellent theory, what if the simple fact that the two observers may have slightly different quantum bandwidth of perception and phased slightly to one another and the possabillity that the object was an intrusion from a parrallel reality which one was more attuned to than the other.
Interesting.
S+F



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 06:49 PM
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Yes but the point is. If an object can apparently travel at thousands of miles an hour and then pull a sharp turn or come to a complete stop, it means it doesn't obey the laws of physics as we know them. Or what about the ones that fly directly into active volcanoes.
People observe objects doing these impossible maneuvers, there is no question about that. So far the general consensus has been to scratch our heads and try to make a square peg fit a round hole. So the popular believe is that highly advanced aliens are responsible for this "technology". But what if this advanced technology, isn't what it "appears" to be. What if the maneuvers we see are not actually possible and the objects we are observing are not in fact what they "appear to be". Maybe the fast moving orb is actually a slow moving triangle...or vice verse.
How can a physical object fly into an active volcano? Some advanced alloy? Or a more plausible answer is that the UFO and the volcano are not inhabiting the same dimensions at the same time. One is superimposed onto the other. This makes a lot more sense to me. If we look at the UFO phenomena this way we might actually crack it and be able to produce our own space and time bending craft.
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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 07:00 PM
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Just to add to yours there have also been reports of objects that appeared solid which flew directly into solid rock or even the ground, could we be seeing ghosts of a lost age in some cases, or intrusion from another reality.

Matter may be able to be phased by some form of osillatory energy field we have not officially yet discovered (the philladelphia experiment) and then maybe it can pass through other matter because it is existing as a different quantum frequency that mean's though spacially it occupys the same area it is dimensionally not in the same region therefore it does not directly exist in the same place and pass through the fixed mass.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 07:01 PM
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The 'observer effect' for a quantum physicist means something different than what you describe and relates to the manner that we observe tiny objects.

Consider a quantum interpretation of the observation of a particle with light: we 'see' the object because it scatters lights photons in a predictable way but if the energy of the object (mass and energy are interchangeable as per E=MC^2) is close to the energy of the photon, it makes sense that the photon 'pushes' the object around and 'scatters' it nearly as much as the photons do.

We are not observing the object in isolation, we are observing an interaction between the object we observe and the objects that we utilize to observe with.

This is the 'observer effect'.

It cannot scale.
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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 07:03 PM
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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 07:05 PM
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Thanks. I think the reason two observers see two different manifestations of the same object..might be down to our brains being unable to compute an inter dimensional object.
If you have heard the flat world idea. Where a world of two dimensional beings would only perceive part of a three dimensional object if one landed in their world.
The same thing is theorized to happen if a 4th dimensional object entered our world. we would be unable to see it in it's entirety because our brains cannot compute the 4th dimension. We would only see parts of it and the parts we could see would exhibit bizarre properties...just like shape shifting UFO's for instance or the ones that pull impossible maneuvers.
It's also theorized that a 4th dimension may well be outside of space time. Therefore if you could access that dimension you could come and go as you pleased in any time in history in our third dimension.
I think this is also where even scientists who talk about time travel being impossible fail to see what might actually be going on.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 07:07 PM
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The double slit experiment. Leaves a physical trace of the observer effect in a scaled up setting.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 07:11 PM
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Here is my theory after "studying" the phenomenon for many years.

Of course, I start off with the premise that UFOs (such as in alien "craft") actually exist. Not even that I can conclude as 100% "fact". Anyway...

UFOs are not space-craft in the LITERAL sense as built to traverse a distance from A --> B, such as our planes, space-ships, cars etc.

UFOs are craft that serve the purpose to traverse "dimensions" instead, eg. they can traverse from one reality (which is not accessible to us in a normal state) to another reality. The concept of "distance" (space, time) etc does not apply there. They can "pop in" and "pop out" from their reality into others, and vice-versa.

Ok...better: See our traditional idea of space-travel (distance, time) as "3D". But UFOs can leave (or enter) this physical space at will, they have mastered traveling in "4D". With the 4th dimension those realities which are beyond our physical reality. So...yes, this means to understand "them" it will also require to have a different understanding of your reality and an acceptance that there may be more.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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I have not heard of UFO's passing directly into solid rock before...but it doesn't surprise me. It's no crazier that going full tilt into an active volcano, such as the one in Mexico. Going into rock is even harder to come to terms with, by thinking in terms of advanced alien technology. The only way you can pass through solid rock is if either the rock isn't there or the UFO isn't.
As we see in the Mexican volcano UFO. The volcano is there and the UFO is clearly entering it, at possibly a thousand miles an hour. Both things are observed to be inhabiting the same reality, yet commonsense tells us this maneuver is impossible...and it becomes a mystery.
The only reasonable answer in my opinion is that the two things are not in the same reality but somehow overlapping.
Could the UFO open a clear passage through a solid object, such as molten lava, by bending space and time to a distant past or far off future when there is no solid object to pass through? This is what I think is happening.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 07:26 PM
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TheBlackHat
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The double slit experiment. Leaves a physical trace of the observer effect in a scaled up setting.


The double slit experiment merely identifies that the nature of light does not simply conform to either a 'particle' interpretation, or a 'wave' interpretation but is something else which has a little of each.

The extension that our consciousness can dictate the mode of the operation of our observation (wave or particle) is a misunderstanding of the dual nature of light and Pauli exclusion.

Even where a definite preference for either wave or particle is claimed due to our observational method (and this is due to the true observer effect) that fact that some believe that it is our conscious decision which directs reality, and not reality which directs our conscious decision, indicates the weakness of this line of thought.

Our consciousness is a particularly highly organized and infinitesimally small subset of all reality and it makes far more sense that it is controlled by the vast external set more than it controls all reality.

To believe otherwise is 'magical thinking'.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 07:27 PM
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Is it possible to switch the frequencies of a craft to match a location to extract "materials" and or observe or following Premise would the craft be benign to a location and materials present?



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 07:31 PM
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It also provided the first truly suggestive evidence that at least as a waveform light can slip between two near parrallel reality's were the only difference is which side is blocked off and the full interference pattern on the photographic slide can be used to support this by this now increasingly accepted explanation as it would seem the light is a trans reality particle/wave which simultaneously exists in several parrallel realitys at the same time, perhaps an understanding of the mechanics behind this can allow a functional interdimensional drive to be built though how to direct it to given dimension's as they both do and do not exist.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 07:34 PM
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chr0naut

TheBlackHat
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The double slit experiment. Leaves a physical trace of the observer effect in a scaled up setting.


The double slit experiment merely identifies that the nature of light does not simply conform to either a 'particle' interpretation, or a 'wave' interpretation but is something else which has a little of each.

The extension that our consciousness can dictate the mode of the operation of our observation (wave or particle) is a misunderstanding of the dual nature of light and Pauli exclusion.

Even where a definite preference for either wave or particle is claimed due to our observational method (and this is due to the true observer effect) that fact that some believe that it is our conscious decision which directs reality, and not reality which directs our conscious decision, indicates the weakness of this line of thought.

Our consciousness is a particularly highly organized and infinitesimally small subset of all reality and it makes far more sense that it is controlled by the vast external set more than it controls all reality.

To believe otherwise is 'magical thinking'.


Abracadabra. You sound like a scientist...sound like. You forget the double slit experiment, was the result of the experimenter discovering that by walking in and out of the room the results changed. From a particle to a wave pattern. Leaving a pattern of two slit impressions or three slit impressions depending on weather or not he was in the room.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 07:34 PM
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In short the craft intelligence would recognize the matter of interest and would also be able to recognize the space between the atoms of the matter of interest and then switch frequency into the recognized matter (space)frequency in between the atoms. Looking at a wall with human eyes you would see a wall looking at a wall and the space in between the atoms and moving thru it by matching space to space. Sorry if unclear...



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 07:41 PM
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I understand you..and who knows, but I think the ability to go through solid objects, may well be down to this worm hole idea. Being able to open up a passage and slip through it. If this is the case, then worm holes are already theorized as a passage or shortcut through dimensions. This would tie together the whole thread. A technology that uses worm holes, is a technology that traverses dimensions and it would allow you to pass through solid objects..
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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 07:41 PM
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This I did not know, I read that observing a photon caused it to act in a particulate fashion and not observing it allowed it to act in a waveform fashion but for some reason my mind did not connect the dot's to the apperture slit experiment, thank you.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 07:46 PM
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given that matter may have a phased state in which the parrallel reality's have the same mass in different locations, remember that at the sub atomic level the exact positon of matter or sub atomic particles can not be defined as at that level they are acting much like the photons in the apperture slit test in that they are demonstrating a field rather than particulate behaviour then if you can percieve or predict there positions with a high enough level of certainty and were the mind itself seem's to affect the quantumne nature or reality then mass may perhaps be coaxed to pass through mass by dint of the fact it doese not at that level of reality occupy the same space at all.
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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 07:48 PM
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TheBlackHat

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Abracadabra. You sound like a scientist...sound like. You forget the double slit experiment, was the result of the experimenter discovering that by walking in and out of the room the results changed. From a particle to a wave pattern. Leaving a pattern of two slit impressions or three slit impressions depending on weather or not he was in the room.


That sounds more like folklore than the actual experiment (which I have performed several times). Here is a link to the experiment on Simple English Wikipedia

Also, a dimension has no thickness, physics and chemistry cannot occur in a single isolated dimension. I think when you use the word dimension, you should be using the words 'alternate reality'.

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