Police Clash With protesters Outside Whitehouse

reply to post by leopardpimps


Ahh, I don't consider it a slap if it was an ineffectual attempt to avoid the argument I presented and instead attempt to direct attention to my sentence and paragraph structure. More like a soft, fluffy little marshmallow thrown at me by a child to distract me from him not doing his homework. A time honored(or despised, depending on your level of honesty, courage, and surety of your position) method used by democrats and liberals since they were dragged from the primordial ooze by hanging on the tail of a hunter-gatherer ancestor, being too lazy to work for the trip themselves. The position taken by Tails(since the brain is in the head, and liberals don't use that a whole lot, ergo the other side) is untenable, morally wrong, and is actually kind of disgusting. I put forth many points of discussion, all of which he ignored and instead graded me on my diction and spacing, trying for distraction away from the fact that he HAD no answer. I don't know, maybe he thought I would be intimidated by his post count(shrugs shoulders with perplexed look). Naah, Tails, I still crap bigger than you.

I like it here, I think I'll hang out a while, at least until the next manufactured war for the bankers happens, and they send me overseas again(National Guard after12 years active, and no, I'm not getting my paycheck either.). I love a free exchange of ideas, but when I hear liberals start to apologize for, or sympathise with criminals I just have to metaphorically get up, spit on my hands, and start swinging a sledgehammer of logic, self-evident truth, and plain old common sense. Their arguments are so flimsy you COULD let the air out of them by poking the little soap bubble of their position gently with your pinky finger, however, I JEST LUVS ME A GREAT BIG OLE' HAMMA!!

And you know what the best part is? If I am actually wrong about something, I will place a firm grip upon my testicles, MAN UP and ADMIT IT.

Leftists, socialists, cop apologists, protectionists, advocates of gun control in any form, democrats, enemies of personal freedom and liberty in any form, gird your loins, attend upon your weapons, and proceed upon the mark.

LET THE GAMES BEGIN.

What I am saying is that in this instance i have sympathy with those police officers because they are surrounded by a angry mob screaming at them because they just happen to be there doing their jobs.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


Actually, if you watch the video, the protesters were already there. The Riot Police marched in and surrounded themselves with "the angry mob".
How about at 2:50 when the officer is seen pulling out his taser by a protester and is called out. He nonchalantly puts it away. Looks like he was afraid the vet that was chanting "Stand Up!" was gonna hand someone their butt.
Kudos to the person that calmed the group by reminding them that "level heads prevail" and "keep calm".

reply to post by Pitt5767


We must be watching different videos because the one I am seeing is only forty or so seconds yet yours must be at least 2 and half minutes long and the one i am looking at has no taser in it.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


In the OP the Link marked to www.TheBlaze... I believe it was the third link, there is a video attached to the article. Shows the protesters assembled and the police organizing to go into the "mob" and for a human wall on the WH fence. I think, it was about 6 minutes of very telling video.

The Obama administration is purposely trying to antagonize the Vets into violence.

So he had his useful idiots in government once again take the heat off themselves and issues at hand and point the finger at the angry veterans.

Look at that line of police, look how few were sent in, look at there faces?

I saw fear on their faces.

The barricades have been put back up, but I hear a group of oath-keepers will stand by to keep taking them down.

reply to post by TDawgRex


The poster to that did not mean that they should be treated the same as in both beaten. He's pretty much said so himself. It was bitter sarcasm. No worries, I didn't think you were attacking me. I simply watched and observed what was going on with Occupy nationwide and locally, keeping tabs on it through a variety of sources and walking down to my local camp on a regular basis (avoided the marches--I'm a bleeder). Interestingly enough, the much discussed vandalism in my local park was actually the work of someone against Occupy--not even the Occupiers themselves. That aspect was not mentioned in the news. Another issue whose blame landed on my local Occupy was an issue with the plumbing in the bathrooms. However, I found a city report on the issue from before the "occupation" ever occurred. I gave it to a reporter and she said she would do a story on it. She did not. There was an intense amount of media misrepresentation going on there but I suppose you don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Although how the veterans at Occupy were treated (many were wearing partial uniforms, medals, or some other identifier of Veterans for Peace) deeply distressed me, I do not make a distinction between a veteran or a college student or even a homeless guy in terms of where police brutality is "acceptable". The damn KKK could be holding a march and I'd be distressed if they had received the same treatment as Occupy. The freedom of speech and right to assembly is to protect those whose opinions differ and from governmental abuse. Period.

James Madison worried that the recording of the bill of rights would somehow make it so that rights would not be appropriately covered if they were made explicit. In the case of protest, loopholes to protest have been created at the city/state level to "control" speech without constitutional oversight. Furthermore, Congress, themselves, did not order the sending in of hundreds of riot police to do what they did. Although there were ample signs of federal organization (DHS), that was ultimately the respective city's decision. Basically, ordering police in using tear gas, rubber bullets, LRADs, flash bangs and more is not "creating a law". It's Madison's protest loophole and, ironically enough, he says that it is most frequently the state that is the one to abuse free speech in the Federalist papers. Where Congress has erred was in the creation of "no free speech" zones around them. If the public cannot protest any who are protected by Secret Service, then that's a law abridging the freedom of speech and the right to demand redress for one's grievances. The rest is all grey area and loophole.

Bit of a rant there but the first amendment is the most important amendment in the US because it assures our democracy at all levels. That's why it's the first. Without it, all other amendments fall.

reply to post by WhiteAlice


I'm in Cleveland. The Occupy movement here went from all walks of life, Tea Party (not the Koch side), Dems, RePubs, Independants, etc, etc.

But the Unions here pretty much took it over and it fizzled. Just another good idea that the unions destroyed.

I wasn't in Oakland nor DC for either of those two events and was held hostage (willingly) to the UStream. I can only comment on what I saw there and the MSM/YouTube as well.

How does it go? "He who controls the message controls the information and hence the populace."

I'm a old PSYOP guy and I'll tell you that it is hard at times to separate the emotional from the rational. I'm not a Vulcan after all. LOL

reply to post by TDawgRex


I was in contact with Occupiers in LA, NYC, Portland, Berkeley, and Oakland. While the Unions also got involved at a number of those locations, that was not the source of eventual demise. Similar initial start up--tea party, republicans, democrats, independents, libertarians, anarchists, and unions. The source of the demise on the West Coast had less to do with the Unions' involvement but was largely related to the homeless attracted to the movement and anarchists. I know that in Portland, there was some very curious activity occurring that eventually split and destroyed the movement. One such event was a "leadership" type person made a statement that the mayor and police force would be joining the Occupy movement in a march while singing John Lennon's "Imagine" (kind of made me want to vomit a little to be honest). This was largely broadcast as a lie and was just one of the death knells for Occupy Portland along with the prior activities of yet another individual that resulted in a division breaking out between the Occupiers and half of them not returning.

In NYC, I know that there were reports of undercover NYPD within the ranks of Occupy who were engaging in provocateur type activities especially after the Citibank arrests. observer.com... Oakland as well. Interesting video about Oakland: youtu.be...

It's interesting because I thought that COINTELPRO type of activities were construed as a no-no back in the 70's.

And then you had other activities such as this one:
www.rawstory.com...

A lot of the movements on the West Coast had at least one curious disruptor that basically divided the movement entirely. The Unions wouldn't have had the desire to see that particular movement die but a whole lot of other entities would. Agreed on the he who controls the information. Information is king. Control the dialogue, control the story, control the world. It's a pretty simple equation and it gets used so very much, doesn't it?

P.S. Out of the two of us, I'm probably the unemotional Vulcan. lol I just observe and report.

WhiteAlice
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P.S. Out of the two of us, I'm probably the unemotional Vulcan. lol

I just observe and report.

I guess that makes me Spock. Just a mutt. Most times I can keep control...other times, not so much. Pon Farr must be coming up again.