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Americans' Contrarianism Towards Obama

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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 11:55 AM
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If you believe Obama is the most left-wing liberal socialist/communist Kenyan fake American president in existence. Then you have been listening to everything the republicans say, which in most cases is the opposite of what Obama is doing. He's gotta be the most misinterpreted president of all time. What I mean by that is he says we're going up, so republicans tell all their people they're going down to save America from socialism. Really though it's just this ridiculous contrarianism to anything Obama does or say.

This is what gets to me: it doesn't even matter if Obama presents a right wing idea to the legislative branch, republicans will turn it down and chalk it up as socialism.
I'm not even liberal, I just find the immense amount of disrespect towards the President is unprecedented in American history (an he's following a possible war criminal and an adulterer)

In case you actually believe you have a left wing and right wing two party system, that's not entirely true. On the political spectrum the Democratic Party is a centrist party(with a bit of lefties), the Republican Party is a right wing party(with a minority in the far right)

My point is the ONLY left wing ideas Obama has put into place is a revenue increase from taxing rich people(aka what Reagen did) and the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, which was once an idea championed by Bob Dole and even used by Mitt Romney.

Obama still sends assassination squads, bombs Muslim countries, keeping Guantanamo bay open, killing or detaining people without right to due process, warrantless wiretapping, although he "stopped" the torturing he has no intention of blaming anyone as responsible. In his first term in office he put more money into defence than any other year in American history.
My point is: Obama isn't the left wing socialist bogey man he's made out to be by the Republican Party. The man has acted more like a republican(or at least how they use to be) than any other democratic president in recent memory. If anything he's a centrist.

Because President Obama is black the Republican Party and a lot of Americans simply disagree with everything he says and take the opposite position, not because it's their position but because it's not Obama's position. I'm not saying all these people are racist, they don't hate black people, they're just uncomfortable around them. To republicans, he's like the wealthy black guy who got into the prestigious white country club. They have to tolerate it, but they sure don't like it.
Don't believe Fox News, racism is FAR from dead.
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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 12:04 PM
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Why can't you understand that statism is the problem, the left and right are to blame. ALL new laws are to be avoided, Obama just happens to be presiding over and encouraging their passage. Were you against Romney because he was white?

Quit playing card games and start paying attention instead of towing the party line because your friends and family do. We need people like you to be aware of the actual arguments from both sides whether you agree with them or not.
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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 12:15 PM
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ALL new laws are to be avoided lol. Then wtf is the legislative and executive branches of the government suppose to do, sit on their asses and watch the world fall apart around them lol. It's how a republic works, by passing bills and putting them into law to the (hopeful) betterment of the country. And when I talk of left or right, that's doesn't necessarily mean I'm talking about both political parties, I was focusing more on the political spectrum of what it is to be on the left or right. There will never be anything other than a two party system in America because of the amount of money both parties have already, you would need serious political economic reform just to give a third or fourth party a chance at running for the presidential ticket.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 12:21 PM
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GokuVsSuperman0
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ALL new laws are to be avoided lol. Then wtf is the legislative and executive branches of the government suppose to do, sit on their asses and watch the world fall apart around them lol. It's how a republic works, by passing bills and putting them into law to the (hopeful) betterment of the country. And when I talk of left or right, that's doesn't necessarily mean I'm talking about both political parties, I was focusing more on the political spectrum of what it is to be on the left or right. There will never be anything other than a two party system in America because of the amount of money both parties have already, you would need serious political economic reform just to give a third or fourth party a chance at running for the presidential ticket.

The most important thing for a politician to do in official office is to veto new laws and reduce and eliminate existing ones. Short of achieving those goals, they should do as little as possible, preferably nothing.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 12:25 PM
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I'm not listening to republicans, or Democrats, I think Obama just sucks. Yea it's a rough time to be the president of USA but he isn't worth a damn in my book. At least Bush Jr was funny to listen to when he talked. Too bad we couldn't have someone like Lincoln or JFK in office, but that will never be aloud to happen....



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 01:23 PM
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GokuVsSuperman0
He's gotta be the most misinterpreted president of all time. What I mean by that is he says we're going up, so republicans tell all their people they're going down to save America from socialism.


Yeah, it couldnt be that Obama is actually bending the country into a Socialist Regime, huh?


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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 01:26 PM
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Yeah, I notice the blatant disrespect/ hate for Obama. Did you see the A.C.A. versus Obamacare poll on Jimmy Kimmel? People hated the Affordable Care Act when called Obamacare but liked it when called "Affordable Care Act." That was a real eye-opener for me as far as the extent of the hatred for him. People (namely Whites) hate anything tied to Obama's name and no matter what he does they are unhappy with him. I think it comes from an overall mistrust of Blacks by some Whites but I could be wrong.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 01:43 PM
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Every other first world state on the planet had some form of universal healthcare for its citizens. "Obamacare" is essentially the most bare minimum form of such a health care system. Also it was originally thought of by republicans. Obama as well as the democrats are barely in the left in the political spectrum. Socialism is very far to the left. If they were a real leftist liberal party they would be anti-war. But there's no such thing as an anti-war party. Also the word "regime" doesn't even make sense if Obama was trying to create a socialist government...
Look Obama sucks, but he doesn't suck as hard as everyone thinks. The misinformation and simple mistrust of him is what most people see. Had Hillary Clinton won I think she would've gotten more sh*t done, even John McCain. They wouldn't have had so many roadblocks in front of them.
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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 01:55 PM
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Or, you know, it could just be his track record for the last 5 years. Too many people are quick to form problems into things they can handle in their own mind. Instead of attempting to think outside the box it's far easier to just say "I'll bet they are racists" and stuff that into my shoebox of schemas.

Just for one moment forget he is 1/2 black and 1/2 white. Instead pretend he's just an American; like you and me. Now imagine he is a role model for thousands of kids. One that used to do rock. Now imagine him being involved in one illegal scandal after another, facing no consequences or repercussions. Does it make you mad that police get away with such acts? Should it bother you that the President does? Should it bother you that the President can literally get away with murder while thousands of children admire him? Does it bother you that the constitution is pretty much gone?

If you make the conversation about race from the beginning and refuse to think from another's point of view then the conversation will be rather one-sided. I can't say that some people just don't hate Obama because he's partially black, but I can say that his past record of division and destruction should speak for itself.

Thanks!



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 02:06 PM
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I think Obama is a Marxist/Corporatist.

He has decimated the economy and is keeping people broke and despondent.

He supports the corruption and graft and is not even giving the appearance of doing anything about it like he promised he was.

Things are not going too well for Americans.

Obama needs to keep his promises and help the nation.

I am not happy with Obama.

Many Americans are disappointed.


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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 02:23 PM
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Obama learned by being a community organizer. He needs division in order to work his agenda. He is a divider, a polarizer, not a leader whom unites.

His political ideology is secondary to his approach towards government.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 02:38 PM
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ALL new laws are to be avoided lol. Then wtf is the legislative and executive branches of the government suppose to do, sit on their asses and watch the world fall apart around them lol.

You left out judicial. The three branches of government are there to provide a "check and balance" to the system. This is supposed to ensure that no one branch takes full control and does stupid s*** like start wars without all three branches approving of it.

"Uhhh, lets check on those WMD's one more time?"


There will never be anything other than a two party system in America because of the amount of money both parties have already, you would need serious political economic reform just to give a third or fourth party a chance at running for the presidential ticket.

That you described is how it is and how its broken. There never was supposed to be a "party" system, just of, by and for the people. Thats what a republic is. "Re"presentative of the "public". Re-Public

Not bickering amongst two different poles of power, not blaming the other party for "wrongdoing". The wrongdoing is not the peoples will by the way. Just the way they designed it to be.

Forever bickering, blaming and then arranging things their way.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 02:53 PM
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Yeah, yeah.

Democrats are socialists, Republicans are racist, Republicans hate the poor, Democrats hate the middle class, the worst president ever is always the current one, nobody likes Congress, but they keep voting them back in, et cetera, et cetera, and so on.

As we discuss the latest "The [insert political party here] are [insert insult here]." they both seem to be steadily taking away rights and freedoms whenever they can. And neither side seems to correct the injustices of the other. A Republican President and Congress will not repeal Obamacare, any more than the Democratic President and Congress would repeal the Patriot Act.

That's the beauty of the two party system, you can always blame the other side for doing what both sides want to do.


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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 03:16 PM
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xuenchen
I think Obama is a Marxist/Corporatist.


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Nice soundbite.

Care to explain how he is a Marxist, particularly given his relationship with Wall Street and Big Business?



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 03:38 PM
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The Judicial Branch of government does not make policy, they are not involved in writing bills. They ensure these bills are constitutional, or have legal precedent and whatnot.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 04:21 PM
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GokuVsSuperman0
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The Judicial Branch of government does not make policy, they are not involved in writing bills. They ensure these bills are constitutional, or have legal precedent and whatnot.

According to the constitution. Thats what "checking" means. Checking against what constitutional law says as the Founding Fathers framed it.

Of course there are amendments and new laws... as long as they don't go against the constitution. Thats the judiciary (supreme courts) job. The reason you don't see how that is the most important aspect of the judicial is because we are so far removed from that nowadays.

This is a country of by and for the corporation. Every other branch just goes along now. The media too.

You do see that?



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 05:10 PM
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xuenchen
I think Obama is a Marxist/Corporatist.



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Nice soundbite.

Care to explain how he is a Marxist, particularly given his relationship with Wall Street and Big Business?


Not here.

to far off topic and lengthy.

another member is touching on it here;
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Oct, 14 2013 @ 03:22 AM
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Convenient, but there's nothing there to explain how Obama is a Marxist.

Let's be honest, the only way Obama can be described as a Marxist is if you ignore what Marxism is.
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posted on Oct, 14 2013 @ 02:11 PM
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GokuVsSuperman0
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Look Obama sucks, but he doesn't suck as hard as everyone thinks. The misinformation and simple mistrust of him is what most people see.


Ignoring the rest of that hubris in your reply, again
it is easy to asert that Obama's policy is so far left;
even Margartet Thatcher expressed concern.

It is no secret that the progressives are just in interim movement.
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posted on Oct, 14 2013 @ 03:01 PM
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Whodathunkdatcheese
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Convenient, but there's nothing there to explain how Obama is a Marxist.

Let's be honest, the only way Obama can be described as a Marxist is if you ignore what Marxism is.
edit on 14-10-2013 by Whodathunkdatcheese because: (no reason given)


Start here and call back when there's no busy signal....

Obama and Marx’s Ten-Point Platform (Part II)



The international corporations are similar.

And don't forget about the London School of Economics.....as in Fabian Socialists.

It's economics, not philosophy.

and there's a little bit in this thread www.abovetopsecret.com...





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