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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 12:38 AM
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Citizens of America.

Take notice. Your Congress representatives do not care if they sink the ship US America.

I am not taking part in partisan politics.
I am just tired of our Congress made up of political lifers that have never had a real job working for a wage.
I am tired of banks and corporations and PAC's running our government.

And this issue that we have before us is by far beyond simple embarrassment.

They are destroying the very fabric of our establishment and government.

They are demonstrating that it isn't about the people of our great country, it is only about partisan politics.

The Republicans are holding our countries stability hostage for the simple fact of trying a last-ditch effort to dismantle Obamacare.





posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 01:49 AM
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The Democrats are holding our country hostage to save Obamacare after passing the legislation which they had no idea what it contained or required and they passed it over the objections of the great majority of the citizens. It's costing people who can least afford it both jobs and coping with reduced income while raising their taxes.

If Obama, Reid, and Pelosi want to continue their charade of being for the people, instead of admitting the truth: they are using the hard earned income of the average worker to buy the of votes of those dependent on government for food and shelter and the buying of votes of illegals with gifts of assistance that even our poorest citizens are not provided -- but never providing opportunity for anyone dependent on the Democrats to leave poverty. Then yes, bring on the default and let the blame lie at their feet where it belongs.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 02:12 AM
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We have been voting them out since
they day after Nixon resigned.

Since the 1970'w things seem to be getting and
worse for it.

And our elected officials have to stay on the
contributions tread mill begging for corporate
money.

The only person that wins are the corporations.





I mean what has changed? Besides the fact
that our congress people think the voters
are insane and will turn on them for any
ole fad that comes along.





The nuke plants were not shut down in the 80's
but a lot of people were not reelected. The
replacements greatly expanded nuclear power.

Apparently the one's in office actually were
keeping a lid on it. They just lost control
of the PR spin after Three Mile island.





Reform Candidates are as old as politics.

Mike
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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 03:19 AM
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We can shout it from the roof tops, scream it in the streets, and have a million man march .. but if it falls on deaf ears or only the blind are there so see it, all is for no avail. best of all your voice nor your vote count any more... One flag says it all.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 06:15 AM
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BayesLike
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The Democrats are holding our country hostage to save Obamacare after passing the legislation which they had no idea what it contained or required and they passed it over the objections of the great majority of the citizens. It's costing people who can least afford it both jobs and coping with reduced income while raising their taxes.

Twisted thinking this. As someone from outside the US I see Obamacare as something (good or bad) that has been passed into law. It has been challenged through the supreme court and is till law. So if something is LAW (good or bad agree or disagree) then politicians are duty bound (on both sides) to uphold the law.

In this case the republicans are crying in their milk and holding the country to ransom by voting no to the budget for the whole country. ONLY a no vote stops the budget therefore, logically, only those that vote no can be holding a country to ransom.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 06:44 AM
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Uphold the law yes. But Obama is not upholding the law, he is making exceptions to the law for his cronies. Congress is empowered to change the law and eliminate it as well if they want. They aren't stuck with a bad law just because it got passed by a one-party congress over the objections of the people. In addition, Congress does not have to fund the law.

As to whether or not a social behavior law is good or bad depends on your perspective. If you lose your job or have your hours cut by 25% and can't feed your family, I'd suggest that is not a very good law from that perspective. If you are a freeloader, it probably looks good to have medical coverage that is not obviously charity coverage. But charity coverage it is unless you pay your fair share.

US Medical coverage could have been changed to simply eliminate prior conditions and remove spending caps. That would have removed most inequities. It was not necessary to impose draconian changes which will eventually lead to a shortage of doctors and rationing of care as is the case in all socialized systems. It was also not necessary to steal income from younger workers to pay for optional care for freeloaders. Prior to all of this in the US, no one who really needed medical care could be denied care whether they were insured or not. What was not mandated was optional care.

If you are outside the US and think your medical care is good, it's probably only because you don't need serious care. In countries with socialized medicine, the wealthy do not get the substandard care the rest of the citizens get; they either pay more for private care or go elsewhere. That's because socialized care isn't good -- but the average citizen has nothing to compare it to. If they did, they would know how substandard it really is.
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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 06:44 AM
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I am not the director of the business I work in. I am the guy who writes the checks.

But if the direcctor wants to spend money on something that I think is hazardous, I certainly can "veto" them by not writing a check. It is just that simple for me.

That is essentially what is going on here. Of course, the GOP isn't some noble group. They are playing politics to elicit votes.

Obamacare....Obama doesn't even want to implement it. THis whole thing started with the protest after Obama declared he would hold off on the remaining segments of Obamacare until after 2015. The legislature felt duty bound to uphold the law and say, "Um, no....if its the law, it goes into effect on time. No politics.".

Now, it is twisted into, "They are just obstructing because of sour grapes". That just isn't true. If Obamacare is the manna that has been promised, then enact it. Quit screwing around.

The whole thing reeks. LIke a herd of dead cattle rotting in the sun.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 01:20 PM
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It is hard for me even to remain non partisan, obviously.

But I am very frustrated with this turn of events. I believe that it is time to clean out Congress and install some individuals that do care, and will not hold our country hostage over differences that can be resolved in other more productive ways. Congress sported an 8% approval rating before this fiasco. I am sure it hasnt gone up because of it.

And they (all of them) are not doing this now.

Why doesnt Congress work for free while we are at this impass?
Why does Boehner need to require attaching the Canadian pipeline to get his vote for the budget? (along with delaying or dismantling Obamacare?)


Many Americans are out of work.
Many working Americans that have government jobs are now out of work.
Early this year many government workers were sent home on Fridays due to the sequester.
Now they are just sitting at home waiting for this issue to be resolved, unpaid. Again.

This is unfair to those that work for the government and yet have to juggle their budgets to make ends meet, because the government cant, or wont.

This is unfair to citizens that have to put their faith and trust in a government to do the right by their constituants.


What is going on is just plain wrong on so many levels.

It is only harming everyone.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 01:46 PM
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Voting doesn't change anything, it never has.

The only way to kill a monster is to deprive it of what it needs to survive.

Some of you may understand this, most of you won't.

It's really too bad so many have so much trust in the wrong people and things and institutions, and somehow believe almost on a fanatical religious level that they can't get by without them.

"Trust Zealots"

Faith will always fail you.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 01:55 PM
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Opposition is compliance. To oppose them gives them strength, better they should wither on the vine and turn to dust. A new paradigm is upon us, one which those dark ones that run this planet know is unstoppable. Vae Victis.
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posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 03:46 PM
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When you look at the poles and the results of the last shut down the GOP will lose the House next year. The decline of the Tea Party has left a group in the GOP that has no popular support and no support in their own party. So they are pretty much wrecking the GOP as a punishment. If I was running the GOP I would just let this go before anymore damage is done to the party. They have to distance themselves from Tea Party hold outs as much as possible. The DNC has finaly wised up and stopped gloating in public about the collapse of the GOP and that is all they had to do. if you enjoy watching politics this is an interesting time as you may be watching the death of a major political party. One would hope is that is the case the DNC will follow in the next decade without a common enemy. Then things might really change. That all of course depends on the GOP remaining on this self destructive course it is currently on.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 03:59 PM
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yorkshirelad
Twisted thinking this. As someone from outside the US I see Obamacare as something (good or bad) that has been passed into law. It has been challenged through the supreme court and is till law. So if something is LAW (good or bad agree or disagree) then politicians are duty bound (on both sides) to uphold the law.





The Nazis and the Communists passed a whole bunch of # they called law. When they got turned into dogfood, their declarations didn't mean a f# thing.

Congress and the occupant in the White House don't have the authority to require our citizens to buy anything. Period. Just like they don't have the authority to kill Americans without charges or trial. This is a diseased and dying regime and it needs to be put down before it can do further harm.

When the president of the Supreme Court is said to have a billion dollar slush fund uncovered during a criminal investigation at the Vatican Bank, virtually nothing these people say has any value anymore. Many of our "name-brand" politicians were also said to have slush funds uncovered during the same investigation at the Vatican bank.

The sooner these cretins go on trial, the better.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 04:00 PM
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Good luck with that. Some other sellout will just take their places. The only real hope is voting out all Democrats and Republicans.

It may not even by possible, I strongly suspect that the vote is rigged for all major elections.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 04:17 PM
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smirkley
I believe that it is time to clean out Congress and install some individuals that do care,


The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Oh, this is going to ramble and I apologize in advance.

People in Congress care. They care deeply. Probably more deeply than you can even imagine. They just don't care about what the rest of us care about.

And why should we expect they would? Congress as a body and parties as institutions are comprised of people who at heart are no different than any other group of people.

Ever been on a PTA or a church committee? Ever see how they function and the way decisions are made? There's an inherent feeling of "screw the ones who aren't here. We're the ones putting in the time and effort". Generally this is after making some effort at compromise and trying to do the right thing, and being roundly slammed by almost everyone for whatever decisions are made.

Granted there's a vast chasm between volunteer committee-ship and being an overcompensated and perk swaddled member of Congress, but the basic psychology is the same.

Voting out the incumbents only means another party picked lackey is plugged in.

The Tea Party had the right idea in principle (hold your ire for a moment) in that change has to happen at the grassroots level where the decisions about who gets slated are made. The big problem was inevitable and could be seen coming from miles away - once they reached a critical mass sufficient to be truly significant, they were rapidly co-opted by the usual suspects who ran out in front of the movement and declared themselves 'leaders'.

There was insufficient discipline within the movement to prevent the perversion of the vision.

Real change isn't going to come at the ballot box. By then it's way too late. The change has to be made at the level where the decisions are made about who's going to choose the choices we can choose.

Do what you've always done, get what you always got. To think otherwise is insanity.

That means roll up the sleeves, attend the local party meetings, do all that ugly 'political' BS that no normal person really wants to do. And if enough people can do that, and come out the other side without complete contempt for the indifference displayed by the majority of the population the majority of the time, with the corresponding "screw you, I busted my hump and now you want to give me a hard time?" Maybe. Maybe we have a prayer.

Otherwise, it'll be same as it ever was until something truly horrific, uncontrollable, and Earth altering occurs. Which always has in the past and will again. I'm talking Black Plague, WWIII, World Depression/Famine asteroid impact type event.

Every revolution eventually evaporates and leaves behind the slime of a new bureaucracy.

Cheers.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 04:28 PM
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Good points.

Maybe I should have also suggested...

"Vote the incumbents out",.. coupled with "Install Congressional Term Limits".

Maybe that will provide enough turnover and bring in new seeds now and then instead of the old oak trees that never go away and shade all the sunlight. I think they (many termed Congressmen), get way to comfortable and start to think that government wont work without them and they are solutions.

And then they take a stand, and all it does in the end is hurt the people.

It is no different than if you had been in an accident, and the doctors just stood around and argued about their ideas while you bleed-out.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 04:34 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I think term limits are a start. But I think it's insufficient unless and until the next goof through the door isn't a handpicked stooge. Trading one stooge for another still leaves you with a stooge.

At this point, term limits aren't the reality. And I don't think they're ultimately the answer, or much of a difference maker.

I think I know what needs to happen, and I don't see it happening. Absent that zombie apocalypse or something.

We can dream, though.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 04:59 PM
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I agree with you to a point, if we voted out stupid ideas, this could help.
Ideas like corporations are people or campaign contributions/gifts being legal.
If a person wants to serve, make them pay for it, we the people will see through the lies for the most part, enough to make the next guy think about wasting his money on a low paying job.
But yeah, voting is the same as playing blackjack in their casino, the house always wins.



posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 05:21 PM
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The Congress and the White House both have programs that allow for citizen legislation initiatives. Me wonders if we can sneak one by either group that allows us to fire ALL members of the 3 Government branches to allow a fresh start..

We can sell it to the government by telling them they can read it after they pass it.



posted on Oct, 15 2013 @ 12:06 AM
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Xcathdra
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We can sell it to the government by telling them they can read it after they pass it.


I honestly dont think any of them have ever read a bill they passed, before or after, unless it gave them money.



posted on Oct, 15 2013 @ 04:57 PM
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Need to clean out the white house. I doubt that or cleaning out anything is going to happen though.





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