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The Little Red Wagon: a Conspiracy Meta-theory

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posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 09:27 PM
Hi ATS Brethren,

I'd like to start a discussion; I don't claim to have all the answers.

FYI for the various ego-cliques I've noticed here at ATS,
I can't in good conscience classify myself as being devoted to any
of the polar opposites (rational/intuitive/religious/materialistic),
for example. I won't pick on anybody, or be dismissive of anybody;
I don't care if you are a Christian/Satanist/materialist/mystic/
rationalist/cultist/debater/debunker/Reptoid or whatever!

As a matter of fact, that I don't care about ego-cliques is really
at the heart of the post. Ok, let's get started.

While I have been a student of mysteries for almost 50 years,
it wasn't until recently that I began to seriously examine some
of the more controversial theories, such as Sumerian/Reptile
stuff, Illuminati material, etc.

As I've indicated in other posts, I've been involved in 1-on-1
direct confrontation with some ego-collectives such as TAS
and other creepy crawley collectives. However I'd never
really examined hardcore supposedly-physical / round us
up into FEMA deathcamps and drink our blood type of
tin foil-hatedness.

Since coming to ATS, I've started to re-examine my assumptions
and see where I have or may have been deceived. Now I'm still
'compiling'. But there is one topic I'd like to discuss, that has
probably been discussed already, but I want to make sure that
due diligence is done on this topic.

(Sorry for all the verbage.. I'm a total wind-bag.)

I have to tell the little red wagon story first, then the rest of
the post is pretty short. Please bear with me.

Long ago in another land and time, there were kingdoms at
war, which had a small shard border.

Although the two kingdoms were at war, they were economically
and culturally tied together, and there was a daily flow of foot
traffic and vehicle traffic between the two kingdoms.

One day a young boy with a little red wagon came up to the main
checkpoint between the kingdoms. The wagon had a pile of bricks
in it.

Alert guards challenged him to stop, certain that this innocent
little tyke was being used to smuggle weapons or contraband
in the pile of bricks (who would expect the little tyke to be
'in on no good'?). The guards unstacked very brick, and eventually
let him go, because they couldn't find anything. The little boy

The next day, the boy comes around again, with his cute little
read wagon in tow.. this time with a pile of hay in it. Once
more the alert guards spent a long time sifting through the
straw, looking for the proverbial needle. They found nothing.
The little boy smiled a larger smile.

The third day, the little boy comes around again, this time with
a huge pile of stinky garbage in this shiny little red wagon..
the guards were more certain than ever the little boy was up
to something and got themselves all dirty, hot and stinky,
overturning each stone, turd, and broken bottle. Finally
they let him go.. swearing and raging. The little boy smiles
a huge smile, and starts to cross the border.

At the last instant before he crosses over into enemy territory,
the guards cry out, "we KNOW that you are smuggling something
over the border! Just tell us, or tomorrow we will shoot you!"

The little boy smiles the largest smile they'd ever seen and says,
"Ok. Fine. I'll tell you what I was smuggling ---

little red wagons".

Man, I have always loved that story!

So I'm thinking, would looking at a meta-theory make more sense?

Now, I'm not that interested in 'little conspiracies' here. Is big
agribusiness trying to make us unhealthy? Is big pharma behind
Obamacare? That sort of thing IS important, and may in fact
be part of the big picture. Then again, they might be disconnected.
I totally salute anyone who works on 'smaller conspiracies'.. I do not
mean to marginalize them in any way. I really admire people who
fight for what it is right. Nothing is 'too small' to look into it and
make a difference.

But what I'm talking about here is the 'big picture'. More specifically
I'd like to mention the whole Alien/Anunnaki/Angel/Demon/God/Satan/
'good mystical illuminati' / 'evil mystical illuminati', etc.

Once we get into so-called 'good' and 'evil' and godlike alien / deity /
mysticism / new age/ and especially religion area, people go
completely ape [snip]. This is understandable, as we all have an internal
narrative we tell to ourselves, to make sense of our lives. And if someone
at a competing or polar-opposite point of view is in our vicinity, the
hackles oh so easily go up at the back of our necks. The neighbor who
was once a friend (before you mention religion to him), becomes a
satanic baby killer, once you discover he didn't baptize his infant.
I could have used a materialist / atheist type of example, so don't
feel picked-on my religious brethren. (frankly I'm religious too
in a manner of speaking).

I'm not an anthropologist, but before humans developed exotic
world-views, based upon sky gods and what not, it seems that
humans pretty much banded together and were reasonable
folks; with the exception of nearby tribes that competed for
food and resources. Even then, there didn't appear to be mass
insanity, and in fact actual combat wasn't that common and
might only have involved 'counting coup'.

But then the human imagination got all bloated out of proportion
OR aliens bioengineered us to be nasty OR gods / angels / demons
or whatever decided to [snip] with us. I really don't care what
theory you want to believe. That's not even the point.

I mean, 'angels' are just sexy aliens with wings.. or a potent symbol
in the collective unconscious... or some stars in a constellation...
again.. I don't care what the theory is.

So here's the final few paragraphs.. the whole point of the post

It would seem to me, that the little red wagon here, has nothing
to do with any of the crap people twist themselves into knots

The world / society / culture / religion / mysticism / politics /
all that mind stuff we generate.. seems designed to keep us
PERMANENTLY confused, at each other's throats, warlike,
negative, etc.

It's rather bizarre to me, that it seems IMPOSSIBLE to resolve even
ONE of the many theories, so that we can find one single drop of
sanity. It's impossible to prove or disprove anything whatsoever,
on any large and complex scale.

Now, I'm not saying that we shouldn't try.. I mean, we recently
discovered a Higgs Boson! Just took 200,000 or whatever years..
so I'm not saying we should give up.

But the scale and complexity of competing religions, theosophies,
etc etc etc are so staggering, that I can't in good conscience believe
this is just due to an overactive imagination... it could almost make
me believe that we are stuck in a 'absolute confusion simulation'.
I can't imagine a better job of keeping us negative and neutralized
than if it were designed.

So perhaps NONE of the theories matter. Perhaps the effect the
theories have one us, is the desired result. For example, maybe
we are being 'farmed' for fear, like that old Star Trek episode.

I'm running out of characters, but will post other thoughts perhaps
in another post. But if anybody has something intelligent to add,
with more complexity than (X is making us do it!) then that would
be just ducky.


edit on 12-10-2013 by Asktheanimals because: alt spellings not allowed

posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 09:48 PM
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

While confusion is a valid disinformation tactic, I have very little confidence in the ability of government to do anything much less to properly execute any sophisticated conspiracies. Therefore, I am pretty much just watching what they do which is scary enough, you really don't have to speculate to get the distinct impression that what's best for the population isn't forefront in their plans. For example, they just have millions of coffins and lots of internment camps, very much like the wagon, we needn't read into it much at all to be extremely concerned.
edit on 12-10-2013 by greencmp because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 10:32 PM
reply to post by greencmp

I agree with you.

However ever since that MSM clip I saw a number of years ago,
where Reagan had a shadowy guy whisper in his year and tell
him what to say, I've had zero belief that politicians in and
of themselves, at least at a national level --- are much involved
with any kind of decision-making. They follow orders.

You know the old saying (to paraphrase) "What's better? To be
the king or to control the king? I'd rather control the king".

Also, although you didn't cover this point, it's quite certain to
come up; someone will say, "I don't need to believe in conspiracies,
general human stupidity can explain most things." Of course this
is ATS, so perhaps I wouldn't have heard that one!

Thanks for the response


posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 10:50 PM
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

The little boy smiles the largest smile they'd ever seen and says,
"Ok. Fine. I'll tell you what I was smuggling ---

little red wagons".

I don't know why but that story makes me think of Moon Rocks for some reason. I think your story is a good parable for the fact that often times events take place in front of our eyes but we can't see or believe it due to we are acting like the border security guards in your story about little red wagons.

posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 11:01 PM
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Thanks for the thoughtful response.

It's the old "proximate" or "ultimate" cause thing.

I think that many would agree that people tend to
fixate on ultimate causes (which often can't be
proven) and ignore more proximate explanations.


posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 11:19 PM
It reminds me more of the story of the 6 blind men:

6 blind men lived in a village and were cared for that they should not come to harm. They heard many stories but the one that intrigued them most was when they about the elephant. A villager led the blind men to another village that had an elephant.

The first blind man reached out and touched the side of the huge animal. "An elephant is smooth and solid like a wall!" he declared. "It must be very powerful."

The second blind man put his hand on the elephant's limber trunk. "An elephant is like a giant snake," he announced.

The third blind man felt the elephant's pointed tusk. "I was right," he decided. "This creature is as sharp and deadly as a spear."

The fourth blind man touched one of the elephant's four legs. "What we have here," he said, "is an extremely large cow."

The fifth blind man felt the elephant's giant ear. "I believe an elephant is like a huge fan or maybe a magic carpet that can fly over mountains and treetops," he said.

The sixth blind man gave a tug on the elephant's coarse tail. "Why, this is nothing more than a piece of old rope. Dangerous, indeed," he scoffed.

They began to argue each thinking they were right. This woke the Rajah from his nap and he told them "you are all partly correct, put together the pieces and you will know what an elephant is". This elephant seems like something different to each one of you and the only way to know what this thing really is, is to do exactly what you have done. Only by sharing what each of you knows can you possibly reach a true understanding."

We each know but a part of the greater whole, to us what we know is truth yet it is incomplete. Beyond our individual knowledge lies the true nature of everything.
edit on 12-10-2013 by Asktheanimals because: corrections

posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 11:21 PM
I consider myself a big picture person so I understand your need for bringing this all together. There is too much overlap and synchronicity for it to be any one singular person or cabal that is at play. I often consider Alvin Toffler's "Future Shock" and how the idea that we have too much available information to make a decision for fear of it not being the best option at play here. The blatant disinfo and useful idiots are not helping either.

posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 11:35 PM
reply to post by Asktheanimals

"We each know but a part of the greater whole, to us what we know is truth yet it is incomplete. Beyond our individual knowledge lies the true nature of everything."

Yes, even the most brilliant human is but a flea, when compared
to the magnitude of the problem called 'existence'.

I've always liked the 'elephant story'; it helps keep things in
perspective. I love things which empower perspective.



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 11:54 PM
reply to post by NihilistSanta

Yes, indeed. We are awash in information overflow.

Can you imagine what it would be like for a being
with 1000 times our information storage and processing
capabilities? They might just sit in the corner and drool.
Or maybe buzz small planets full of mutated chimpanzees
for kicks and grins.

I think it's likely that a large number of the actual
conspirators are also victims of information
overflow; this would be why different cells of various
secret organizations also bounce off of each other
in conflict.

If there was some millennial+ conspiracy out there,
presumably the bad guys would have already won;
I mean, it's very easy to postulate the presence of
evil in this world; it would be very easy to postulate
that 'good' does not exist in any form. In fact some
of the most 'evil' people I've met, have all been
'one of the good guys' by title and group anyway.

Now some say that the 'bad guys' have already won.
However 'winning' would require a much smaller
population; our population is not optimal for maximal
transfer of wealth to the elite.

Now there is the 'waiting for global max population
in order to harvest' theory. It should be interesting
what happens at 9 billion or so.

However it would seem to be more logical, to me
at least, that the 'blokes in black hats' are confused
humans (or beings at least), just like the rest of us.

They might eventually 'win', but I doubt it will be
as polished as so many tend to believe, or as soon.

I do have a comprehensive observation about all
this stuff; but I'm going to keep that to myself
for some time, until I gain additional information
and vet the totality of my investigative process.

Thanks for your considered response.


posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 01:07 AM
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

Great post KPB, i think there is a definite plan behind all of this information overflow. Not a man made plan but a spiritual one. It will come to the point where we are so overwhelmed by information and materialism that we will snap! Snap in a good sense, we will literally wake up to the bigger reality of spiritual existence. There is no doubt in my mind that evil rules the day and more than likely most of it is being caused by what people call the NWO but while they are using us for their own good God is using them for our own good. Their outrageous abuse of all that is good in this world will lead to their downfall spiritually and our rise, (awakening). So every time i hear or read another act of willful evil i thank god that myself and the people i know are not perpetrators or supporters of such actions. Remember without darkness we would not know what light is. God bless!

P.S Loved the Little Red Wagon story

posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 02:06 PM
reply to post by DrunkYogi

Hey DrunkYogi!

Thanks for your response.

I'm glad you liked the little red wagon story! It's
such a hoot!

Have you ever noticed, that the "simple" lessons
are the ones least in demand, while really exotic
"so-called lessons" are the ones people want.
(and don't necessarily do any good).

Show me someone who has mastered the "simple
lessons", and I'll show you a worthwhile human

As for your contention that there is a deep spiritual
basis for what's going on in the world... that has to
be approached most delicately. I could spin a yarn
that would make people's eyes bug out; but I don't
want to be 'one of those guys'.

It is my observation that 'spiritual things' are indeed
part of physical reality. (or vice versa; what came
first the chicken or the egg?)

However in our ignorance and being a young species,
we misinterpret things in a fashion similar to the
"Cargo Cult" natives after World War II.


posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 03:08 PM
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

Is it possible the (non beneficial)
mind stuff we generate..
is the paint on the wagon

and the wagon is part of a
ever evolving process (hidden)
underneath the added shiny distracting paint?

Further "WE" have to consider, if possible
the Designers of
the Wagon
the paints
and the sent messengers
as well as guards...
and are they all working as 1 or following different agenda?

Which then may bring some to a metaphysical/physical barrier of Consciousness & Existence as "the" evaluate "our" physical and Soul/Spirit/Internal Energies.

For the Designers may be of Both+ hypothesized/interpreted forms body & Soul/Spirit/Internal Energy (as humans and potentially other are thought to be in reference to body and soul/spirit/internal energy forms) and perhaps
THE DESIGNERS are able to remain AWARE consciously no matter normal or paranormal? (outta box artificial)
in Form-Location During the Life and Death phases within Existence they may or have experienced.
Perhaps their associated heightened AWARNESS is related to their Elderness in CREATION, as some are said to of been made before Humans yes... And perhaps their Elderness has given them opportunity to LEARN EXISTENCE more and the Life and Death phases within it.

Very interesting share OP got a little
out of the red wagon story.


posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 03:30 PM
reply to post by Ophiuchus 13

Namaste friend.

Consider the humble parasite.

After your thoughts spin to incredible vistas,
bring them back to the Earth.

Consider the humble parasite.

Once you think you've figured it all out; discard those thoughts.

Consider the humble parasite.

This is my advice for those who seek an enigma wrapped within
an enigma falsely wrapped by conspiracy.


posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 07:34 PM
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

Great OP! It speaks to a number of things while also highlighting one of the things I really like about ATS: the extremely wide variety of topics and discussions all under one roof.

That is extremely valuable to me not only because of the wealth of information available but also because I believe that many of these "discrete" topics are often related both directly and indirectly and it is far easier to see the bigger picture when you have access to as many pieces of the puzzle as possible.

When it comes to the really big issues (or conspiracies for the ATS-minded), connecting the dots across multiple seemingly disparate areas is not just helpful - it is essential.

Gestalt is not just a cool German word...

(And why do the Germans seem to have an abundance of cool words? Schadenfreude is another of my favorites and often apropos here).

ETA - S & F for the OP and reminding me why I love this place

edit on 10/13/2013 by Riffrafter because: see ETA...

posted on Oct, 13 2013 @ 08:27 PM
reply to post by Riffrafter

"Schadenfreude" is indeed very apropos here.

(ich habe gehabt zwei jahr deutch studieren & butchered grammar of --- eek!)

One of the things I find fascinating, is that when the 'bad guys'
do 'leaks' supposedly from some secret organization such as the
illuminati, they are using the same old tired tropes used by the
conspiracy theorists.

HMMMMMM. I assume I'm not the only one that notices that?

I'd dearly love to 'trade secrets' with one of these high and
mighty secret organizations; only it would be throwing
swine before pearls (I don't like pearls, but do enjoy bacon).

I'd give them a good one, a mind-bending one, and they'd feed
me trash back, that you could find on any third rate web site.

99% of the stuff you read on the internet is mind-fodder for
confusion and control, of 'members' and outsiders alike.

Of course I'm speaking about 'metaphysical secrets' in this
regard, not 'hard physical ones'. It's hard to argue with
death camps and bullet purchases, for example.

Those kind of 'secrets' are also important to know.. but I
don't particular know any of those kind ;-)

I really enjoy ATS too.


posted on Oct, 14 2013 @ 01:10 AM
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

I believe that it is a cyclical thing that's happening KPB. The current age we are in appears to be the Kali Yuga

Symptoms of Kali Yuga

I think it has all happened before and will happen again. Our history as taught is a maze of lies. I personally feel that the Yugas have been designed by the big G to help us learn and move spiritually upwards. A least i hope

"I could spin a yarn
that would make people's eyes bug out"
My little thirst for knowledge would love to hear that yarn.

edit on 14-10-2013 by DrunkYogi because: Thirst for knowledge!

posted on Oct, 14 2013 @ 01:52 AM
reply to post by DrunkYogi

Hey Drunk Yogi,

Nice to converse again.

Let's say that there is a fixed amount of content

(the field of all possibilities), which manifest as

all the layers of temporary being & existence.

So let's say that we have, functionally, at the

so-called 'top level' --- just one 'observer'.

So we have one observer (lets call Her God)

watching the same content.

The only way it would be workable would be
to syndicate it (re-runs), and some divine
amnesia and splitting up the one into many
would definitely help increase viewership.

This is the problem with having ALL the channels
on your subscription and ALL the time there is
to watch all of it.

I know this sounds humorous.. but...

I'd much rather talk this way, than to say that
the first desire and the first thought can still
be heard and use all this technical lingo. Then
I have to dance around Sanskrit and the like,
and I don't actually know Sanskrit. It's quite
the bother. But English doesn't do justice to
it.. and neither does Hebrew or any other
language. So I have to use parables and
folksy examples to point at the moon.

As for secrets?

I've learned that people just want the 'next
step' whatever that is for them, or they
want bread and circuses.

The problem with what I know, is that it
took an entire lifetime to acquire, and
nobody who couldn't do the same math
homework (to use a metaphor) could
replicate the work.

But really, indirectly, I'm releasing the
information through an unexpected
vector. It may take centuries to finish
spreading. I'll be dead, but that is of
no consequence.

All that said, if I can be of service
to you, just drop me a PM.


posted on Oct, 14 2013 @ 02:17 AM
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

"The only way it would be workable would be
to syndicate it (re-runs), and some divine
amnesia and splitting up the one into many
would definitely help increase viewership.
This is the problem with having ALL the channels
on your subscription and ALL the time there is
to watch all of it".

Infinite Universes and possibilities constantly creating and destroying scenarios. With all eternity to do this somehow you have make it non boring and worthwhile. Exciting and dramatic but soul fulfilling and tremendously spiritually uplifting seems to be the way to go. The big G does a wonderful job!

"The problem with what I know, is that it
took an entire lifetime to acquire, and
nobody who couldn't do the same math
homework (to use a metaphor) could
replicate the work".

Very true, im happy for you! You have obviously gone through life free thinking and investigating, trying to answer all questions to your own satisfaction. Very rare indeed.

posted on Oct, 14 2013 @ 03:01 AM
reply to post by DrunkYogi

Alright friend.. but if I can help in some way, give
a holler, M'Kay?

I have never cared for smug experts in any field,
and that's the last thing I'd ever want to be
guilty of (the smug part).

Really, everything works itself out in the wash..
it really does.. now the thing that always baked
my noodle was the folks who said that! And didn't
want to be bothered by human (and other)

Most of my friends are advaitists in some form,
and of course they all deny suffering too.. and
make 'ignoring suffering' into 'enlightenment'.

In my opinion, that's like drinking poison, and
then convincing everyone that it's good! so that
you don't get depressed that you are dying!

I had to solve the problem of evil and the problem
of suffering, or I was determined to spend all
eternity spanking little miss Maya on Her bare
butt cheeks until she relented.

To speak metaphorically.. I'm not particularly
devoted to yogic metaphors or personifications
of natural forces with deity names.

Dang it was a hard problem! (to solve those
2 issues to my satisfaction).

Call me a cop out, but I solved them by
taking personal responsibility for all of it..
and that's when the big transformation
occurred. Really startling things occurred.

I won't go into any more detail at this time,
but I just want you to know, that I'm not
blowing off your concerns and desires if
any.. I even have a responsibility to help
all the people who hate me and would
do terrible things to me in the name of
their book(s).

So not saying that my solution would work
for everybody.. but it works for me.

Everyone's path is different.


posted on Oct, 14 2013 @ 03:32 PM
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

I'd dearly love to 'trade secrets' with one of these high and
mighty secret organizations; only it would be throwing
swine before pearls (I don't like pearls, but do enjoy bacon).

I'd give them a good one, a mind-bending one, and they'd feed
me trash back, that you could find on any third rate web site.

It appears as if you've decided to engage on this front in another thread. Looking forward to see how that plays out although I've noticed the other party has not yet responded to either of your queries.

I sincerely hope he does if for no other reason than I would really like to see the answers to those questions myself. Perhaps you will share them even if he doesn't pick up the gauntlet so to speak...

There, here or private message is fine - whichever you prefer.

BTW - I love the "swine before pearls"...I may have to borrow that at some point. With proper attribution of course...

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