Those soldiers who are guilty should be held accountable for their crimes. But to blanket all of our soldiers as war criminals for the acts of a few? I don't think so.
Before one shot was ever fired on foreign soil, Americans could have stopped it, and didn't. That makes you and I guilty, not our soldiers. If we, as Americans had the solidarity, and the guts, our soldiers have, there wouldn't be a war going on in the middle east right now.
It is we, the American people, who are responsible for the acts of our government. Our soldiers serve the American people. Since we are complicit in our governments actions overseas, it would hardly be proper for our soldiers to attack our government.
Our soldiers have done what was asked of them by the American public, through its representatives. Until we have enough solidarity, and intestinal fortitude, as a people to demand these wars and actions come to a complete stop. Then our lack of action is the same as permission.
reply to post by seeker1963
God, do all of you veterans have some form letter reply or something!? You all regurgitate the same bullcrap. "Don't blame us, blame our superiors."
That isn't an excuse pal, its a cop out and passing the blame. Just following orders doesn't mean you aren't as guilty as the corrupt leaders who put you there.
If my boss tells me to lock and load my M-14 with irradiated rounds, Id tell him to go pound salt. Christ, you fight under the Constitution, not superiors! You violate the Constitution itself by following UNJUST orders. Have any of you vets even read the document?? Obviously NOT, or you would understand that you cannot take an oath to defend it by violating it at every turn. That is YOUR fault, NOT OURS.
You all seem to parrot the same nonsense and put yourselves away from any blame. How nice for you! The FACT remains:
You all took an oath. None of you follow that oath once you return from battle. You seem to think that your oath just matters when you're over seas. You come home, get your tax free goods, free college, low interest loans, free healthcare and conveniently forget that once home, your JOB is far from over.
Many of you claim to hate the corrupt governmeng as much as we do, but turn a blind eye to the FACT that you are the ones who are supposed to be removing said corrupt government. By doing nothing and accepting those freebies, you basically show US that your word is garbage and it validates the exact corrupt government you all claim to dislike.
Wish the real world worked that way, but We The People don't get the luxury of violating contracts and passing the blame....We The People get consequences for that...not freebies.
How nice to be able to pick and choose which parts of your contract you'll follow! Must make you all sleep a bit better at night knowing most people are too ignorant to call you out on your ability to tut your back on the very people who provided you with your living! Way to beat the man!
Know what's even sadder? The fact that those 90 year old WW2 vets with there wheel chairs and rascals are the ONLY vets who are currently taking a stand by forcing their way into closed monuments.
Those are the true patriots who obviously took their oath serious and are doing what they can. Where is all your comraderie? Why do you able bodies badasses let them do all of this alone!?
What a joke! The WW2 vets are showing you exactly how TRUE veterans are supposed to act. I wonder how it feels to sit there watching those old people do exactly what YOU are supposed to be. You should ALL be ashamed, but you're not, which is a disgrace to the uniform and the country as a whole.
Now try to retort any of that.
reply to post by groundplant
Wait...you actually claim I'm wrong and use WIKI!!?? Lol, that's so idiotic I wong even respond to that point.
While YOU may not get benefits, I believe ALL current vets recieve tax free goods on ANY base. All vets get low interest loans through the government. ALL vets receive healthcare through the VA. ALL vets get the GI Bill which gives FREE COLLEGE. What are you even talking about there?
Id refer you to my reply posted just minutes ago for more proof of my point on Uranium rounds and the atrocitirs committed by VETS in the name of the US.
My point is that once ANY vet commits any atrocity in MY name, they violated their contract they signed. They should not receive any benefits due to THAT.
Its a point that can't be argued by anyone. NO point you could make, or lame excuse you come up with, can claim you are somehow justified in not following your end of the agreement. You violate your oath and contract, you should get nothing...period.
reply to post by HomerinNC
"If I were an aide, Id go with the WW2 vets" Well damn son, you deserve a pat on the back for that statement! Why not go show your comradarie to those veterans without copping out that you "would" BUT...
We all know that everything that proceeds the word BUT is just bullcrap. Wow.
Onto my supposed lie:
Google is your friend sir. The UN admonished the use of "depleted uranium 5.56 rounds which were used in Iraq" numerous times from 2003-2005....just type it into your browser sir. Also look up thr FACT that in 2001, the US decided to use Uranium in small arms because," Uranium is twice as dense and we (the US), will use Tungsten and Uranium in ALL armor piercing rounds." It is YOU who is misinformed.
According to mil.gov, the following ordinance used in the Iraq war contained depleted Uranium:
All 30mm rounds used in the A-10 Thunderbolt.
All 25mm rounds used in the M1A1 Abrams and Bradley.
All 20mm rounds used by Cobra Gunships.
Used in ALL hand grenades.
Used in ALL landmines.
Used in ALL Cluster Bombs.
Used in ALL 5.56 small arms rounds which were armor piercing.
That ordinance, just in 2003 amounted to 1000 TONS of depleted Uranium powder being dispersed into the air.
Mayy I remind you that over 300,000 of your COMRADES suffered from Gulf War Syndrome...or radiation poisoning? Where is YOUR outrage??
Lemme school you on just ONE atrocity you vets perpetuated in the name of We The People....FALLUJAH.
HERE ARE THE FACTS SIR:
April 28, 2003
US soldiers fire INDISCRIMINATELY into a crowd of 200 protesters who were protesting the US converting a SCHOOL into a military base. They killed over HALF of them...ALL CIVILIANS.
Those people retaliated by kidnapping some Blackwater guys and killing them. How did the US Soldier respond? By executing....ON TAPE (ABC News) WOMEN! When charged with murder, their superiors claimed it was self defense and the perpetrators were free.
THEN, to add insuly to injury, we have Operation Vigilant Resolve!!
Thousands of Marines were brought in to surround the city so noone could escape what happened next.
The Marines started to bombard the city with White Phosphorus!! A CHEMICAL WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
The Marines fired round after round into the city, killing HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS. What does White Phosphorus do? Glad you asked! It melts through roofs and walls! If you're lucky, it will get on you and melt you...a quick death! If you survive, you'll be treated to all oxygen being sucked out of the area and you can suffocate to death instead!! And that was just the beginning!
The onslaught continued using a manner of Depleted Uranium rounds! When a 30mm Uranium round explodes, it emits radio active dust, which covers everything and once its on you, you die a slow painful death.
To date, cases of Leukemia are 10,000 times normal in Fallujah! How great for the current residents huh?
Listen, you can try to deflect by claiming I'm lying, but my facts are indisputable if one just uses their browser. Please...direct me to ANY site that can dispute anything I have written! Don't just word vomit rhetoric and claim I'm lying.
I'll end this post by giving a quote from the General in Charge of the Fallujah massacre:
General James "Mad Dog" Mattis, in an interview done by an AP reporter stated the following on how he felt about the assault on Fallujah," Its fun to shoot people...its a helluva hoot!"
To think that We The People hired you to use chemical warfare against civilians protesting the taking of a school is just ludicrous...but hey, you seem to be fine with it, so kudos for that.