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posted on Oct, 16 2013 @ 08:54 AM
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jimmyx

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Aazadan

solomons path
BS.

The healthcare was great in this country. People from all over the world come to America to receive care because of the skill of our specialists , the quality of our hospitals, and the cutting edge level of our treatments.



BS. I have been unable to walk or stand for more than 5 minutes for the past 6 months due to a back injury that isn't healing. I have no insurance, I cannot afford insurance, my job which I work at for more than 40 hours a week doesn't pay enough, as it is I'm lucky I can afford rent. I have no option for medical treatment unless it's an emergency (and if it is I have to show up without an ID so they can't find and bill me 3 years salary for a 5 minute visit). Care in this country sucks.



Your issue doesn't seem to be with the care you receive . . . it seems to be with the fact that you feel you shouldn't have to pay for it. Moreover, you're upset that your job doesn't pay you enough.

The "care" is just fine . . . you just can't afford it and don't want to have to pay for the doctors, nurses, and use of their equipment. So much so, you pretty much admit to fraud by claiming you go to the ER without any I.D., so they can't track you down later to recoup for the efforts of their labor.



wow!!...do you long for Nazi death camps, would that be classified as the good old days??....not enough money, "F" your health....


How is not wanting to pay a strangers bills the same as wanting death camps? Rather silly comparison. Wanting to be left alone and leave others alone is the diametric opposite of Nazism...actually the Nazis were for nationalized health care so if you are going to throw that epithet around, I'd suggest looking in the mirror.




posted on Oct, 16 2013 @ 09:40 AM
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jimmyx

solomons path

Aazadan

solomons path
BS.

The healthcare was great in this country. People from all over the world come to America to receive care because of the skill of our specialists , the quality of our hospitals, and the cutting edge level of our treatments.



BS. I have been unable to walk or stand for more than 5 minutes for the past 6 months due to a back injury that isn't healing. I have no insurance, I cannot afford insurance, my job which I work at for more than 40 hours a week doesn't pay enough, as it is I'm lucky I can afford rent. I have no option for medical treatment unless it's an emergency (and if it is I have to show up without an ID so they can't find and bill me 3 years salary for a 5 minute visit). Care in this country sucks.


Your issue doesn't seem to be with the care you receive . . . it seems to be with the fact that you feel you shouldn't have to pay for it. Moreover, you're upset that your job doesn't pay you enough.

The "care" is just fine . . . you just can't afford it and don't want to have to pay for the doctors, nurses, and use of their equipment. So much so, you pretty much admit to fraud by claiming you go to the ER without any I.D., so they can't track you down later to recoup for the efforts of their labor.



wow!!...do you long for Nazi death camps, would that be classified as the good old days??....not enough money, "F" your health....


Nice hyperbole and strawman there, not to mention the emotional plea devoid of reality . . . your efforts are always good for a laugh. My relatives actually lived through the events in Central Europe at Auschwitz and Mauthausen, so spare me the juvenile attempt at an insult.

No one is denying this poster care . . . he even admits to being able to receive care at the hospital and defrauding them to avoid having to pay.

So, the care and his health are not the issue . . . it's the fact that he doesn't want to have to pay, complicated by the fact that he didn't have the foresight, either through obtaining coverage, finding a different employer (for coverage or greater income), or saving for the possibility of needed care. Furthermore, when he skips out on the bill, it raises the premiums of those of us who demonstrate some level of personal responsibility.

I stand by my statement . . . the actual healthcare in this country is just fine. It's the freeloaders who refuse to take responsibility for themselves, like the example being discussed, that is the cause of the insurance rates being beyond affordable for some.

Now those same people are falling hook/line/sinker for the promise of affordable healthcare coverage from the same industry that they say "sucks" and is the reason they can't take care of themselves . . . yet again, causing those of us who demonstrate personal responsibility and foresight to burden the rising costs.



posted on Oct, 16 2013 @ 06:29 PM
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solomons path
So, the care and his health are not the issue . . . it's the fact that he doesn't want to have to pay, complicated by the fact that he didn't have the foresight, either through obtaining coverage, finding a different employer (for coverage or greater income), or saving for the possibility of needed care. Furthermore, when he skips out on the bill, it raises the premiums of those of us who demonstrate some level of personal responsibility.


No foresight? I went to college, I have multiple degrees, I've tried to make something of myself. One takes work where they can however and for me that's a low paying job making well under the poverty line. My employer does not provide health care coverage, virtually no employers in my town do and our median wage is under $8/hour so most can't afford their own health care. To me it's a completely foreign concept. If I could afford to put money aside to save for care (which is a ridiculous notion in the first place when anything major WILL cost more than your savings) I could afford my own health insurance. I do not goto the ER for my back, I'm opposed to the idea but many aren't, still at some point I would probably do it if they could help, I do not have a car so losing my ability to walk long distances has been quite a hardship. To say nothing of the probable long term (and more expensive) damage I'm doing by gobbling down OTC painkillers every single day to make sitting at work somewhat bearable.

I have been to the ER exactly once and it was 5 years ago. I went because I was suffering from Bell's Palsy, I wouldn't have even gone for that as it's not an emergency, but if you know about the condition you know the physical symptoms are extremely similar to a stroke and that is an emergency that I didn't want to leave to just my self diagnosis (and even then I waited an entire day not going until my landlord and neighbor literally forced me into the ER). During that time I was in the ER I waited in the ER for two hours, then I saw a nurse for 5 minutes, then I waited another hour and saw a doctor for 5 minutes, then I was discharged with nothing more than a diagnosis. No prescription, no medication, no treatment plan other than to just deal with it until it fades in a few months. I gave them no personal information, they handed me a bill for over $30,000 which I of course didn't pay and they couldn't follow up on.

I'm not opposed to paying for care, but those costs not only need to be affordable but reasonable. Why does 5 minutes of time with a nurse and 5 minutes with a doctor cost $30,000? That's a billing rate of $180,000/hour. It's not that I'm personally irresponsible, if I could afford health insurance I would buy it in an instant, to my employer however I'm not worth that much so I can't. That's just the way it goes... maybe I'll win the job lottery in the future and things will change.


Now those same people are falling hook/line/sinker for the promise of affordable healthcare coverage from the same industry that they say "sucks" and is the reason they can't take care of themselves . . . yet again, causing those of us who demonstrate personal responsibility and foresight to burden the rising costs.


You do realize that costs are so high, that in the event of something catastrophic it's quite common for insurance to hit their cap and stop paying? It's a lot more fragile than you think it is, and if you have a pre existing condition... good luck.



posted on Oct, 16 2013 @ 06:49 PM
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The Tea Party doesn't even have a percent of the funding for the establishment Republicans and Democrats. What makes u think the elites would back the Tea Party? Limited government and anti stimulus works against wallstreet.



posted on Oct, 16 2013 @ 07:22 PM
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No , your Wrong .



posted on Oct, 16 2013 @ 07:30 PM
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deadlyhope
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Who is being stubborn about a concept ( obama-care ) that will gut the nation anyways? Who is not willing to budge on their spending habits which is driving our nations credit up?
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What? You mean coming down from the mountaintop every few months and, with that flip of the wrist, say, "Go do your job.." to Congress isn't the epitome of the perfect POTUS??

[sarcasm]If only you were as intelligent as He, you would understand...[/sarcasm]



posted on Oct, 16 2013 @ 07:49 PM
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Q33323
The Tea Party is our country's last gasp (and grasp) for fiscal responsibility.


From the playbook:

05. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
06. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
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08. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”
09. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."
11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

Take those tactics and add them to the voting pool that has become politely described as "low information voters" and it will all start to make sense...

Just sit back and enjoy that endearing smile. The truly "intelligent" people are hard at work taking care of you.



posted on Oct, 16 2013 @ 07:56 PM
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sealing
Yes, the TP is deliberately holding the USA,it's citizens
it's gov workers, and it's credit rating hostage.

If the 120+ replies say anything else, it's a some dreamed up excuse.

Why do we take exception to the debt ceiling since 2010 ?
We've had it for all the other Presidents and Congress.
It was non issue until Obama.

What's different now?
I wonder....





posted on Oct, 16 2013 @ 08:00 PM
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openminded2011
Here is my hypothesis:


Lets say that there is a group of people, a cabal of billionares and millionaires.


Your hypothesis is instantly countered by the billionaires and millionaires on the 'other side' of the aisle who are doing the exact same thing; which is not to "crash" the economy, but transform it into a new model.


They tried to get Romney elected to push their agenda and failed. They realize that because of changing demographics and political climate, and the bad economy, it is doubtful they will get a real hold on power again for the forseable future. Since they are the 1 percent, and own almost all the wealth in the country, an empowered populace might eventually turn its sights on them and their wealth and begin to tax them on terms more equatable to the people as a whole, instead of favoring a small percentage of oligarchs.


The ubiquitious unknown..."they"...as if the other "they" are some sort of savior? By your estimate and prevailing understandings and thought that politics and positions of power are "bought", shouldn't these billionaires and millionaires be in office or placed their puppet into power?

You have a wider breadth here in terms of what you are talking about though. You are talking about the "rich", the Tea Party, Romney, etc, etc. Not what your title entails in my opinion.


So they decide if they cannot rule over the country by political means, more strident action is needed. By instructing their bought and paid for politicians...


Wait, they couldn't buy anyone else except the Tea Party members? I am confused; also do you think that those that are everyone else save the select few you are ranting about are not also 'bought and paid for..."? You sort have alluded to this, but in passing.


...[T]hey trigger a default on the debt which crashes the economy.


The "default" narrative is false. Default would mean not paying the bills at all, for a period of time. Going over the 17th deadline wouldn't have resulted in a default as the Government admittedly had the funds (some 30 billion) to continue paying bills. Not to mention that taxes collected; which bills could have been paid to outstanding debts to external creditors.


What effect will it have? Yes it would throw the country into chaos, people will lose life savings...


Possibly, but pure speculation in my opinion.


...most of corporate America would go off the proverbial cliff, the dollar is likely to crash, and world financial markets will be thrown into complete chaos.


How though? Or are you just saying what you have heard? Have you actually thought about it? How the Government pays its debts? The flow of money in (taxes) is quite enough to pay debtors.


Our unemployment would skyrocket even worse than it is now, with almost NO hope of improvement, because the currency is crashed. People who were starting to feel politically empowered now just focus shelter food and water. Yes there will be rioting and angry mobs but they will be short lived because people will be too obscessed with just survival. How many paychecks is the average person away from disaster? You get the picture. We are probably looking at a severe economic depression, worse than the Great depression, that will be global in scope.


I see this as hyperbole.


But wait. These people are OBSCENELY rich. If you have 70 billion dollars and lose 50 percent of your assets, you still have 35 billion dollars. And your enemies, the 99 percent, will be completely destroyed financially. You can now pool resources, take your still formidable wealth, and control the ENTIRE country, which is now pretty much in ruins. Who will oppose you? The infrastructure is devastated, if not outright destroyed. The government is in effect disintegrated. The control the financial elites have now will be magnified a thousand times.


So the question isn't "is the Tea Party trying to crash the economy"; it is "is the rich trying to crash the economy"! You are ranting about the rich; your right to do so.

By necessity alone, we would very quickly return to a gold standard. Guess who has all the gold?? And of course the golden rule is, those with the gold make the rules.


Our chief economic competitor, China, will be thrown into a state of complete chaos by the default and the inability to pay back the loans, now vast, incurred by the US.


Well since we are not paying them in full now, what makes you think we couldn't keep up the payments with taking in an estimated $6 billion/day in taxes theoretically?


I hope I am wrong about this. The coming days will tell the tale


Indeed.





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