Does the Tea party want to deliberately crash the U.S. economy?+

even if it is purposeful and they have more malicious intentions as conspiracies suggest;
it still seems like a good thing at this point. cant fix it till its completely broken anyways. and the way things are at, its unfixable as is.

the sooner we get this over with the sooner things can improve x.x
yeah it will be a #ty transition, but its the bumps our generations much take now.

jimmyx

deadlyhope
reply to post by openminded2011

 

No, the tea-party wants to help the national debt and get rid of obama-care. Obama-care is something that a lot of people are for until they are explained exactly how costly, and crappy the whole thing is.

the people already stood up in the election last year...if they wanted to get rid of Obamacare they would have voted for Romney, and vote to make the senate republican controlled...but, the republicans don't care how the majority of people voted, because they didn't get their way. so now they want to damage the economy and make millions of people suffer...I guess that whole constitution, freedom thing that I here all the right-wingers rave about is just another lie.

I dont think that is totally true. I wanted to get rid of obamacare and I did'nt vote for Romeny

the media wants us to believe that the republicans are just doing this out of spite. that is the lie they sold.

i see it as more of a protest from the top. make a stand in a big way, even if it has huge consequences. sometimes its worth it. especially when a certain branch of the government has dangerously to much power and politics generally are broken anyways.

AngryCymraeg
reply to post by sonnny1

 

Right. Ok. Let me point something out to you. Prior to Obamacare the USA was the only First World country that didn't have proper healthcare. The only one. Think about that for a moment. And if you're not ashamed of that fact then there's something wrong with you.

BS.

The healthcare was great in this country. People from all over the world come to America to receive care because of the skill of our specialists , the quality of our hospitals, and the cutting edge level of our treatments.

Anyone, regardless if they have insurance or not, can walk into any hospital and receive care. However, they will have to pay for that care . . . which is at a high level.

What we ranked low in was providing "free" care . . . We ranked low because we didn't have "socialized medicine". We are the only first world country that expects people to pay for someone else's labor. We expect people to actually reimburse the hospitals for investing in such high-end, cutting edge equipment, which costs billions to R&D, purchase and run. We expect people to have to pay for the medicine that costs millions to R&D, manufacture, and market.

Stop parroting the statistical lies that those that preach socialized medicine promote.

AngryCymraeg
reply to post by sonnny1

 

Right. Ok. Let me point something out to you. Prior to Obamacare the USA was the only First World country that didn't have proper healthcare. The only one. Think about that for a moment. And if you're not ashamed of that fact then there's something wrong with you.

Its not just "Right, Ok". Thats the problem.

Im more ashamed that "we the people" keep electing millionaires who dont care about the little guy, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

You want healthcare for all? There are ways to do it without lining the pockets of shareholders and companies.

I suspect this is why Obamacare was enacted.

So far in 2013 the value of the S& P health insurance index has gained 43%. Thats more than double the gains made in the broad stock market index, the S & P 500. The shares of CIGNA are up 63%, Wellpoint 47% and United Healthcare 28%. And if you go back to the early 2010 passage of ObamaCare, you will find that Obama’s sellout of the public interest has allowed the public companies the ability to raise their premiums, especially on small business, dramatically multiply their profits and send the value of their common stocks up by 200%-300%.

ObamaCare Enriches Only The Health Insurance Giants and Their Shareholders

You get it now?

I am ashamed that this President has duped all his supporters.

AngryCymraeg

deadlyhope
reply to post by openminded2011

 

Obamacare is also the law of the land. It's not as expensive as your post claims, it's helping people already. Obama was re-elected last year and the Democrats not just held the Senate but increased their presence there. And also in the House of Representatives. Obamacare has also passed the Supreme Court! So for the Tea Party - which is now extremely unpopular and sinking lower by the day - to claim that it's acting in the best interests of the USA is a) to miss the point and b) undemocratic.

But down the line Obamacare is going hurt people. Which I mean hurt employment. I mena there will be jobs but these jobs will be part time and without benefits. And I guess there is nothing worng with part time work if you can live with a group of people or stay with family part time is wonderful

jimmyx

deadlyhope
reply to post by openminded2011

 

No, the tea-party wants to help the national debt and get rid of obama-care. Obama-care is something that a lot of people are for until they are explained exactly how costly, and crappy the whole thing is.

Who is being stubborn about a concept ( obama-care ) that will gut the nation anyways? Who is not willing to budge on their spending habits which is driving our nations credit up?

The democrats refuse to make changes for the better, how do you twist this so much and point at the other people that are standing up, at least a little, FOR the people?

this isn't the rush Limbaugh show...go back and look at each year Obama has been in office...the facts show that each year the deficit is being cut...and of course since you can't remember back 7 months ago...there was a sequester that cut approx. 10% of government...so it doesn't matter a damn bit what Obama agrees to...republicans will keep lieing about it.
thinkprogress.org...

oh, and here are corporations that paid less in federal taxes than you did.
www.ctj.org...
funny how republicans never discuss these welfare queens that make billions in profits, but the taxpayer pays for their welfare subsidies.

let's make sure that the CEO's get paid enough to buy their next yacht, but those poor people that get food stamps are scum of the earth, and need to starve...isn't that right, you republicans?

What did I ever say about corporations? Plus, that's a liberal, left wing, democrat type thing. Giving tax breaks to the billionaires, and charging the small business men half their net. Give me a link that shows the tea party gave the billionaires those tax cuts, I doubt you can.

Deficit being cut? No. This is how Obama works. " I will spend 2 trillion dollars this year on all this crap " wait a while " I have decided to only spend 1 trillion this year on crap, you can thank me for saving you all 1 trillion dollars. "

You need a head check if you think the debt has gone down during Obamas' terms.

reply to post by openminded2011


I don't think so. If you want to place blame place it on the progressives and the socialist ideas of taxing, spending, and the establishment of a nanny state that would make Mao and Stalin happy.

The Tea party is the total opposite of any of that stuff because they are first and foremost Fiscal conservatives. The party was actually born because of the bail outs and the use of American tax dollars that were being spent; they cannot spell to big to fail. They are also against the liberal immigration bills that have been presented allowing amnesty for law breakers when everyone else has to get in line.

In theory, the Tea Party is in favor of low taxes, cutting the deficit, setting the Constitution as the revered document at the center of government, giving the government back to “We the People” (as opposed to special interests) and promoting states’ rights. So you have to understand there are those in power today who will demonize anything that threatens their big government and party ideology. At this stage anything that pisses the establishment off needs to be thanked and looked at with new interest.

The Tea Party will sooner or later (if not already) be corrupted by big money interest just like all the other parties before them however at this stage there needs to be a major reset on the course this ship of state is headed...

An entity that threatens the establishment will be labeled an enemy and a terrorist group and all verbiage possible will be used to stir up hate.. Does not matter if true or not... Tell a lie enough or cast a shadow on a group and most will steer clear.

This whole government shut down one would normally think that the Goldman Sachs CEO or other et al. would go and sit these Republican backbenchers down and remind them of their class duty. But that doesn’t seem to be happening this time because some are actually seeing the deficit and Obamacare as the last straw before the countries back is broken.

Even the Financial Times has been writing about how groups like the Chamber of Commerce, who normally would put pressure on the difficult Republicans, don’t seem to be willing or able to do that — and one of the reasons is that they’re so enamored of the tax-cutting side of the Republican Party that they don’t really want to stop things like the government shutdown, or they don’t have the capacity to stop things. It does seem like there’s a breakdown at the elite level of society.

The absolutely amazing thing about the entire Tea Party Movement, which has grown exponentially, is the unity and deep conviction of those involved. The Tea Party movement is drawing people from all political stripes, social causes, and income brackets. It is drawing people who have never participated in any kind of political or grassroots movement before. What we have in common, and what holds us together, is a very deep love for the uniqueness of the United States of America, a desire for the limited government that our Founding Fathers created, a fairly "strict" interpretation of the Constitution, a belief in capitalism and free enterprise and a strong sense of personal responsibility. Tea Party Movement people are feeling an urgency. They are sensing that we must take action NOW, not next year. There is a general sense among the majority of Tea Party people that both major parties are to blame, neither were fully responsive to voters and that it's time to clean house.

Article Source: EzineArticles.com...

Maybe people should actually find a local Tea Party and attend a meeting instead of believing the propaganda that is being rammed into their brain by TPTB... Naw to much trouble for the haters for they have already made up their minds based on what they have been told by those who have the most to lose.

reply to post by solomons path


Sure, rich people came to the USA for its medical care! For god's sake, ordinary people were getting shafted by the insurance companies! When my wife had her appendix out her parents had to take out a second frickin' mortgage! I'm British. We have the NHS. It ain't perfect. But it means that when my wife had stomach flu this year and was dehydrated we could go with her to hospital, get a diagnosis, get medication and then go home all in a morning. And no bills.

reply to post by openminded2011


Meh its all the same crap

reply to post by jimmyx


Figure it out for yourself.

How 'bout we go back to 2006 / 2007 Levels eh ?

Look what Democrats did since then.

reply to post by xuenchen


Erm, that before the financial crash.

AngryCymraeg
reply to post by solomons path

 

Sure, rich people came to the USA for its medical care! For god's sake, ordinary people were getting shafted by the insurance companies! When my wife had her appendix out her parents had to take out a second frickin' mortgage! I'm British. We have the NHS. It ain't perfect. But it means that when my wife had stomach flu this year and was dehydrated we could go with her to hospital, get a diagnosis, get medication and then go home all in a morning. And no bills.

The NHS isn't perfect , that's a fact. For every good story, there are two horror stories.

Why the hell does America want one horror for the next?

If you are going to reform something ,do it right!

Rationing has arrived, with more than 90 percent of English health trusts restricting "non-urgent" surgeries, which include hip and knee replacements and cataract surgery. It took a freedom of information request by the media to pry this fact from the NHS.

Long waiting periods for routine surgeries are increasingly the norm here. People are amazed when an American tells them we still have fast access to our primary care physicians. In the U.K., one must often wait weeks for an appointment and then additional weeks and sometimes months for treatment, depending on the procedure.

United Kingdom health horror stories should scare U.S. public

AngryCymraeg
reply to post by solomons path

 

Sure, rich people came to the USA for its medical care! For god's sake, ordinary people were getting shafted by the insurance companies! When my wife had her appendix out her parents had to take out a second frickin' mortgage! I'm British. We have the NHS. It ain't perfect. But it means that when my wife had stomach flu this year and was dehydrated we could go with her to hospital, get a diagnosis, get medication and then go home all in a morning. And no bills.

Then your beef should be with the insurance companies and their policies (more accurately the insurance company your wife did business with), it's not with healthcare. You should be pissed that the ACA is nothing more than a bailout for the insurance companies . . . who will continue to operate under the same policies, with the exception of having to waive those with pre-existing conditions and can no longer drop policy holders after a big payout. You should be pissed about the level of influence the special interest groups (insurance companies) have with our elected leaders.

I'm not rich and have never had an issue with my insurance company or lack of funds to pay for care . . . whether that be paternity care/delivery, week long stay for my son with MRSA, or the two orthopedic surgeries that I have had.

While I prefer to pay for my own care, I would rather have a system like the UK or Canada has as a option, rather than the ACA. That is, f it was a small portion of income withheld from my check and our taxes went to essential items (like healthcare), as opposed to all of the non-essential BS and corporate subsidies and bailouts.

People in this country also don't seem to understand the insurance companies aren't in business to "provide care", they are in business to make money. Insurance companies are taking a risk (gamble) that they will not have to pay out large procedures and the individual is taking a risk (gamble) that they will need a large procedure and need help paying for it.

Is the function of a casino to make people money? Would you also blame the casino when they take your money?

AngryCymraeg
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Erm, that before the financial crash.

Brilliant observation there Watson !!!

How 'bout we go back.

Obama ain't cutt'n the mustard.

A U.S. *limited* default would get us out of the crash in 6 months.

I say screw the foreign banking interests.

reply to post by xuenchen


Stop stirring, you old fox you!

reply to post by solomons path


Its Ironic that those who say that Universal Healthcare for all is "free". That "they" didnt pay a thing.

Really, how can ANYONE say that?

EVERYTHING comes with a price. EVERYONE gets paid. Doctors don't treat people for their aches and pains, and expect to be paid with a hug.

AngryCymraeg

deadlyhope
reply to post by openminded2011

 

No, the tea-party wants to help the national debt and get rid of obama-care. Obama-care is something that a lot of people are for until they are explained exactly how costly, and crappy the whole thing is.

Who is being stubborn about a concept ( obama-care ) that will gut the nation anyways? Who is not willing to budge on their spending habits which is driving our nations credit up?

The democrats refuse to make changes for the better, how do you twist this so much and point at the other people that are standing up, at least a little, FOR the people?

Obamacare is also the law of the land. It's not as expensive as your post claims, it's helping people already. Obama was re-elected last year and the Democrats not just held the Senate but increased their presence there. And also in the House of Representatives. Obamacare has also passed the Supreme Court! So for the Tea Party - which is now extremely unpopular and sinking lower by the day - to claim that it's acting in the best interests of the USA is a) to miss the point and b) undemocratic.

Law of the land.
The Supreme Court ruled.
I suppose you would have said the same thing when the Supreme Court ruled on
Slavery?
Segregation?
Internment?
Yes the all knowing Supreme Court has ruled for all time.
We the people have no recourse because it all ends at the Supreme Court.
One temporary political hack in black robe rewrites the aca statute, and bends the constitution to fit the will of a handfull of tyrants.
Yup you heard the guy folks, time to fold like a cheap lawn chair.
It's the law of the land. Now and forevermore.

Please tell me where in the constitution can I find congresses authority to legislate a law like obamadontcare.
Oh it doesn't have the authority ?
Now refer to the tenth amendment.


And screw democracy.

Some more TEA PARTY STUFF!

1) All forms of government must abide by the boundaries set forth in state and federal constitutions.

2) All pork and earmarks in the stimulus, omnibus bills, and bailouts must be reversed and repealed. The national budget must be balanced. Spending cuts, not increased taxation should be used to balance the budget.

3) Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness implies personal responsibility, not handouts, free-enterprise and capitalism, not government controlled economies. Some people choose to be irresponsible (and of course some fall on hard times due to circumstances), but it is not the responsibility of the general public, vis-a-vis government intervention, to guarantee or bailout irresponsibility and failure. Private individuals and organizations give out of compassion and generosity, not compulsion through taxation. laws, and pork barrel projects.

4) ALL elected and appointed officials are under the employment and serve at the will of We the People.

5) Excessive tax burdens kill prosperity.

6) Excessive national debt is generational theft, and stealing the future of our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

7) Neither major political party is "clean" on these issues. Both Democrats and Republicans have taxed excessively and neither have restrained the hand of government effectively. There are certainly individual representatives who have been faithful to their constituents and to the Constitution. However, too many are engaged in protecting their congressional positions and turf. The majority of government officials have insulated themselves from the people they serve, and hold themselves above the law. We are simply saying, "No, you aren't above the law".

8 ) The American public at large is ignorant of the purpose of government, the founding documents such as the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Federalist Papers. As a result, they allow politicians to sell them false hope and "rights" and "entitlements" that are not guaranteed by the Constitution. By educating the American people on the foundations of our history, we hope to bring sanity to the election and legislative processes.

9) As a group, we are appalled at the audaciousness and arrogance of our government in the last few years, particularly the proposals and bills passed in the last few months, despite massive public disapproval.

The Tea Party is a wake-up call to all Americans.
Plenty there for the big government status quo money interest to hate; so they will do everything to herd the sheep in a direction TPTB want them to go.

Article Source: EzineArticles.com...

reply to post by bjax9er


The Tea Party and the Republican Party in general has made it their mission in life to oppose everything that Obama proposes. They've been acting in a dangerous and highly irresponsible manner against the best interests of the USA - out of spite, or stupidity or whatever the hell is running through the fetid mind of people like Michelle Bachmann. Obama was re-elected last year and all of a sudden the Tea Party is making their mission in life to defund and destroy Obamacare. And that's not undemocratic? For god's sake, they're dragging the Republican Party off a cliff! They'll have to gerrymander their electoral districts into the shape of pretzels to avoid being defeated in the '14 Congressional elections!