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that the possibility that the iron age started considerably before the full bronze age must be
re-examined, the lack of extensive evidence of their usage is because of the ease of rusting of iron and
iron-carbon alloys by oxidation. Furthermore, a rusted object looks ugly and should be buried. Thus,
their return to earth’s surface as iron oxide destroys the onginrd manufactured iron product.
Our
selection of 7000 B. C., for the be@rmingof the Metals Age, is based on the fact that large villages
were, by thk time, a part of the scene of human activity. Examples are Jericho, and Catal Huyuk and
Hallan Cemi in Turkey. The town of Jericho is reported to have had 2500 inhabitants at the time of
its prime in 7000 B.C. The story of Catal Huyuk in Turkey is equally impressive with a history
dating back to at least 6000 B. C., with a population estimated at over 7,000 people. Evidence of open
hearths abounded in these ancient cities. Waldbaum[l 1] has documented fourteen iron objects at
another four sites dating before 3000 B.C. The oldest object is a four-side instrument from a gravesite
at Samara in northern Iraq, dated ca. 5000 B.C.
The rationale behind the feasibility of the 14C dating of iron is that the carbon in the iron originatesfrom the fuel of the smelting process, and for most ancient iron this fuel will have been charcoal.There seems to be an implicit assumption that the use of fossil fuel can be unambiguously recog-nized because of the geological age of the carbon (although the possibilities of Neanderthal ironsmelting have been raised, apparently seriously, by Sherby and Wadsworth 2001). The potentialdangers of serious misdating arising because of the intermixing of carbon from charcoal- and fossilfuel-smelted iron seem not to be appreciated (see Cook et al. 2003, discussed below).
FreeMason
I also want to leave the thought, think of the spiritual metaphor to be found in the various metals, Iron has use but is weak and erodes away, Bronze is strong but tarnishes, Gold is soft yet remains pure.
One of the earliest examples of iron used by man was discovered in a prehistoric Egyptian cemetery. The site of Gerzeh, 40 miles south of Cairo, was excavated in 1911-1912, ...
Two graves, Tombs 67 and 133, were also found to contain iron beads; at the time of excavation these examples of Egyptian pre-dynastic culture were considered to be the earliest specimens of worked iron. Subsequent analysis revealed the iron to contain significant levels of nickel, leading to identification of their me-teoritic origin.
Iron meteorites were also used to make other items later in Egyptian history, including a dagger blade from Tutankhamen’s tomb
Snarl
We know about as much of Neanderthal as we do this OOPART ...
alfa1
Snarl
We know about as much of Neanderthal as we do this OOPART ...
How does this get classified as an "OOPART"?
According to the link you provided, it is known where it was made, why it was made, how it was made, the people who made it and what it is made of.
So the metallurgy of it makes it corrosion resistant, but I've got a sink in my kitchen that also doesnt corrode due to metallurgy. Are you saying that simply because it is old, it must therefore be paranormal, supernation, or given to us by aliens?
Hanslune
Iron can survive in the right conditions, what is missing from neanderthal habitations sites is
Iron slag
Tools to handle iron making
Remains of a fire to melt it
A mine where it was dug up - unless they were reprocessing meteor iron
Strangely they - continued to use bone and stone tools - why would they do that if they had iron?
tom.farnhill
reply to post by Hanslune
may be it's for the same reason that i drive an M G and not a rolls royce .
COST.
FreeMason
No they have actually found all those things, in Spain they found permanent Neanderthal "hearths" that would easily be hot enough to work iron. (Except the slag which is not necessary for working iron
As in the paper suggests, temperature does not need to be hot enough to melt iron to release slag for its use, it only needs to be hot enough to mold iron as if a plastic which is about 1,000C which is easily accomplished in even a fireplace.).
As for tools to make it, where was the red ochre found? On stone tools, so possibly those stone tools were being used to work the iron.
I also have thought about why use bone/stone as tools? Iron is corruptible and hard to sharpen and more brittle, so I think it is likely the iron was used more religiously than it was practically.
Snarl
And, you have a sink made of iron that doesn't corrode? I find it fascinating that with all the alloys modern man has learned to produce, that there's a manufacturer of sinks, who produced an iron sink that you somehow wound up with, to support an argument in this thread. Figure the odds!!
Hanslune
Could some Neanderthal genius hot worked iron? Yep but we don't have sufficient nor compelling evidence for it IMHO at this time.
alfa1
Speaking of old iron, here's one of the oldest things I own. A bit of banded iron formation from a few billion years ago...Its a bit rusty now.
Hanslune
Could some Neanderthal genius hot worked iron? Yep but we don't have sufficient nor compelling evidence for it IMHO at this time.
bigfatfurrytexan
Anything relating to our hominid ancestors fascinates me, so I have been following this thread.
The premise is intriguing. And I must say that it has given me pause for thought. But in the end....Hans sums it up with the above sentence.