Prime mover with allegedly stolen parts seized from bikies by police and military(AUS)

A group of more than a dozen army and Taskforce Echo police officers swooped on the property in Technical Drive, Craigieburn, around 8.45am to search the vehicle, which was believed to contain stolen parts.

Police escorted a man, who arrived in a ute with another man shortly after the search began, off the property before the men drove away.

Prime mover with allegedly stolen parts seized from bikies by police and military(AUS)

Not sure what is going on here but seems like the military are doing joint operations with the police.

Not sure how unusual this is.
Anyone Know if this is unusual?
Is this training them for a bigger operation?

But the raids have proved once again that the criminals will always have weapons, gun bans or no gun bans.

(Hope I put this in the right place.)

I think you might find a large portion of the aussie populace buried their guns waiting for a rainy day.....not everyone handed their guns in that is for certain...especially the bikie gangs and other underground organisations....

Not sure i understand this at all. So the Hell's Angels stole a Mac truck and had an assault rifle?
God how different our countries are LOL, no offense. Yours sounds nicer but still.

reply to post by Thorneblood


I think his statement is about the fact that the police have decided to declare war on the bikie gangs,the police minister is showing force on gangs ,seems to happen every few years but as usual will make little to no difference...except of course to public opinion on the matter...

it looks as though the army were only needed for the use of their prime mover tow truck, I can't imagine the police would want civilian tow truck operators involved in a raid such as this.

There has been a major crackdown in the last few weeks in both Victoria and Queensland.

Victoria due to drive by shootings (Hence why they were looking for the M1 and AK47) an escalation in Hells Angels / Comanchero violence.

Queensland because of an escalation in violence between the Finks and Bandidos (Inparticular) over a shooting in april 2012, and recent brawl at surfers paradise which ended up in 100 OMCG members surrounding the Southport police station.

I know that Qld has brought in sweeping powers for police to stop any and every motorcyclist groups (Not just restricted to OMCG groups) and search/alcohol/drug test them without reason and have been raiding houses of those involved in the brawls.

I believe Victoria has also implemented similar legislation, which has been used in this instance to search the premesis of the Hells Angels.

All of which is backed up by the Australian Federal Police taskforce.

It is a game between the Police and organized crime, always has been. Legalize a few things and suddenly you cut the knees off the organized crimes income. Has worked in many more progressive countries. As long as demand exists someone will fill the void.

P

reply to post by amraks


Getting the millittree involved is about getting the Australian people accoustomed to seeing soldiers on the street and having them percieved as good guys. This is what is happening in the US so there are some dots to be connected here via the parraells between the US and Australia. Expect to see an ever increasing number of instinces of this.

reply to post by hopenotfeariswhatweneed


If the police were genuine in their claims they want to break up bibke gangs they would ask the government to make the amount of noise their bikes make illegal. If their bikes were not permitted to make any more noise than a small car makes what self respecting bikie would ride one?? The hard core might persist but the fringe riders would give it away straight away.

To change behaviour you change the things that are valued.

Scrambled_Eggs
it looks as though the army were only needed for the use of their prime mover tow truck, I can't imagine the police would want civilian tow truck operators involved in a raid such as this.

An army officer removes parts from a truck believed to have a stolen engine in it. Source: News Limited

Sounds like were needed for more than special tow truck.

reply to post by learnatic


the bikes are typically Harley Davidson....I don't think the government are about to tell a company like that how to make their bikes....and more than that it is not just people in bikie gangs that like and ride Harleys.....there are better ways of deterring criminal organisations than the transport they use and how much noise they make...

reply to post by amraks


Hello amraks, ATS Readers, Writers,

I read about this in our local paper.. and watched a bit on the news about it.

And I saw the pictures of the 30 arrested bikies in a paper too.

By the pictures of some of these bikie types, you can only come to the conclusion that they are major losers.

My mate lives in bikie central Gold Coast and Surfers Paradise.. constant sirens there it seems.

You see these types hanging around, and they are some of the worst looking loser thug types I have seen since I moved to Oz about a year ago. It's a shame they can't try to become viable members of Oz society.

The military involvement did kind of get my attention, but these types are bad guys, and might have had some serious weapons in their stash.

While these types are major loser thug types, a lot of younger Aussies are in serious need of some social discipline, and manners.

I do worry about Oz's future, sadly it appears to be going down the path that America did, and that disturbs me greatly! I wouldn't give you a nickel for a lot of the youths here in Oz. NO MANNERS at all, and act like little hooligans in public; especially on the trains and buses.

I think this comes from being spoilt rotten..lol. Aussies are the richest population on the planet in a recent survey, average of about $250k net worth...

But polls and surveys can be weird, I certainly don't have that much coin saved up; but I just got here a year ago, and finally have a good paying job for about 2 months now.

A lot of my mates at work have good responsible children, and are pretty hard working youths, it seems to be in the big cities where the rabble rousers rear their ugly heads. Even the girls commit serious crimes, which threw me for a loop.

A coupe of my mates at work are dealing with a child on drugs too.. trying to get them sorted out before they ruin their lives too.

But again, you only see the bad stories in the news, and am sure there are far more decent kids than bad ones.

These bikies are like the mafia... and sell drugs to these kids, and ruin their lives, or help to I should say. Nobody is holding a gun to a kids head and MAKING them do drugs here as far as I know, it is a choice they make.

Sad, none the less though.

Pravdaseeker

pheonix358
It is a game between the Police and organized crime, always has been. Legalize a few things and suddenly you cut the knees off the organized crimes income. Has worked in many more progressive countries. As long as demand exists someone will fill the void.

P

This is 100% correct. Though the wannabe social engineers that run our beloved nanny state down under will never allow it to happen. Frankly you would need military involvement to clean up the Gold Coast, it's rapidly becoming a war zone....

reply to post by Artlogic


maybe police and soldiers teaming together adds up to extra fire-power if need be, at least until
legislation allows the australian police force the right to carry military grade automatic
weapons in their fight against "crime" and their show of "powers to be reckoned with" attitude.

reply to post by learnatic


Wow, alex jones in one post and this in the other.

No, they can't say "UR bikes R noise, Ur illegal!" because, believe it or not, there are other bike riders who are enthusiasts but not a part of a gang.

No, theyre using the military as stated... there is nothing strange about seeing our guys around. We're not afraid of them. We tend to have a beer with them.

Interesting to see it from an external perspective tho. But we get enough of that with the outback and how atrocious we treat our indiginous... yep, everyone but Australians have the answers to that!

reply to post by pravdaseeker


As a bloke who is often accused of having a harley..

You're an idiot.

redgy
reply to post by Artlogic

 

maybe police and soldiers teaming together adds up to extra fire-power if need be, at least until
legislation allows the australian police force the right to carry military grade automatic
weapons in their fight against "crime" and their show of "powers to be reckoned with" attitude.

That could well be the way to go, if they really were serious about this issue I can't imagine it would take the SAS more than a few days to mop up the Harley tractor riding crowd....as it stands they have very little to fear, I'd also suggest the military are far less likely to be "ahem" on the take....

reply to post by winofiend


Hello winofiend, ATS Readers, Writers,


When I refer to bikies, I am/was referring to the gangs...the troublemakers.

I could give a S**T less about people who own bikes, as I have owned several over the years.

The only idiot here is you I am afraid.

No sense of discernment whatsoever, just a smart mouth.

Anyone with an ounce of the D-word would know I was referring to the troublemakers and gangs, NOT anyone who owns a bike , or looks like they own a bike..

What a maroon...

Pravdaseeker

reply to post by amraks


Prime mover? I am pretty sure that it's a truck.

Look, if an approach had been made to this compound, and all the police had been chopped up by rifle fire then someone would have asked why they were not either a) better armed and armoured, or b) supported by a force who are trained specifically to deal with coming under assault from such weapons as were allegedly within the grasp of the suspects who may have been at the location.

TrueBrit
reply to post by amraks

 

Prime mover? I am pretty sure that it's a truck.

Look, if an approach had been made to this compound, and all the police had been chopped up by rifle fire then someone would have asked why they were not either a) better armed and armoured, or b) supported by a force who are trained specifically to deal with coming under assault from such weapons as were allegedly within the grasp of the suspects who may have been at the location.

Prime mover yes its a truck.

The media have no idea what the army was doing.
I think the army were using their mechanics to remove the bull-bar so it could be towed by the military.
I think this was all the military was used for. The media have made it sound like they have used military force assisting in the start and finish of the raid, making it sell-able news as usual.

Get ready for more of these police military joint operations in the future, because I think there will be more to come in the not to far future.

Frankly you would need military involvement to clean up the Gold Coast

Even our military doesn't have that sort of fire-power to clean up GC!
At the end of the day these gangs are only supplying for the demand, while I agree something has to be done about all the misuse of party drugs particularly around schoolies events the issue is larger than just a arresting a few figures and confiscating a few firearms.

For the most part the bike gangs seem to be targeting only other gangs not involving bystanders, in my opinion the force was to have 1000 officers simultaneously search every known gang house was excessive over 2x firearms (which were never found) and a truck with a stolen engine in it.