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You are all gonna live like in socialist scandinavia

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posted on Oct, 11 2013 @ 09:58 PM
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QUOTE:

" Your children's children will live under communism. You Americans are so gullible. No you won't accept Communism outright; but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you will finally wake up and find that you already have communism. We won't have to fight you; we'll so weaken your economy, until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands"
Nikita Khrushchev 1959
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you. ( Maybe he was psychic and meant to say Berry instead of bury?)
I worked in a factory owned by Germans, at coal pits owned by Frenchmen, and at a chemical plant owned by Belgians. There I discovered something about capitalists. They are all alike, whatever the nationality. All they wanted from me was the most work for the least money that kept me alive. So I became a Communist.

Kennedy: We have enough missiles to blow you [USSR] up thirty times over. Khrushchev: We have enough to blow you up only once, but that will be enough for us

The living will envy the dead.

Nikita Khrushchev
END QUOTE




posted on Oct, 11 2013 @ 10:11 PM
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tothetenthpower
What's contained in yours that is not found in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms?

Please correct me if I'm wrong... but the fundamental difference between the US Bill of Rights and the "equivalent" pretty much everywhere else is the direction they are aimed.

The Canadian Charter *grants* rights from the Government.

The Bill of Rights *protects* rights from the Government.

Meaning the Bill of Rights is intended to prevent the government from ever infringing upon those rights, where the Canadian Charter grants them, and thus can revoke them.



posted on Oct, 11 2013 @ 10:21 PM
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I'm curious where you read into the Canadian charter as rights granted by the government but the US bill as rights protected from the government?

Both documents are enforced by their respective governments and both documents look to the judicial branch for questions on the breach of their rights.

Unless you view the US rights as having some more meaning than the Canadians. Which would beg the question, if they are truly inalienable rights then wouldn't they apply to anyone in the world and not exclusively to US citizens? A number of constitutions specifically state which rights are granted to citizens and which are granted universally.



posted on Oct, 11 2013 @ 10:29 PM
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neo96
 

So why isn't the US the best country in the world then ?

After all we spend more money on EVERYTHING than our northern neighbors, and Europeans countries.

So if it is a matter of money as the 'social engineers' purport it to be

Why is America so 'God aweful' ?


Perhaps if you think of the cost of building and maintaining Maximum Security prisons vs. medium or minimum security. Max and Super Max cost more but are not necessarily more comfortable to live in. A valid claim could be made that they are "The Best" though.

America, the best there is.



posted on Oct, 11 2013 @ 10:34 PM
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The Bill of Rights spells out what the government *can't* do.

The Canadian Charter spells out what the people *can* do.

Yes they have to be respected by the government and demanded by the people to continue to work... and as is clearly shown neither population is great at sustaining them currently. But one has the government as the grantor of rights to people... the other has people as sovereigns and places limitations on the government. Or at least tries to.


links234
if they are truly inalienable rights then wouldn't they apply to anyone in the world and not exclusively to US citizens? A number of constitutions specifically state which rights are granted to citizens and which are granted universally.

They do apply to everyone. Everyone is supposed to be protected under the US Bill of Rights. Citizens have access to additional things such as being able to run for office, but the protections as written apply to all.

The Bill of Rights is intended to be about the sovereignty of all human beings above governments, not governments above humans. That is why it was such a big deal and pissed off so much of the world power at the time and ever since with the intent to bring the sovereign humans back under the yoke of government control and authority.
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posted on Oct, 11 2013 @ 11:07 PM
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neo96

...when someone comes to this country are they coming here because they want it to be more like Europe?


When Americans opt to be the most incarcerated nation on the globe who are they trying to be like? Or is that just a successful attempt to outdo the rest of the world?


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posted on Oct, 11 2013 @ 11:28 PM
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neo96

You need data on 30 million illegals who have come to America and millions more on the way?

Really?


...we spend more on everything all those social engineering programs to education.

Wish someone would tell the 'social engineers' in this country who just think throwing billions of dollars at so called problems means that is going to fix them.


You throw that kind of money around you are going to have lots of "friends" and people coming over to your house. It's a no-brainer.


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posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 12:36 AM
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txinfidel
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What makes America unique is the bill of rights.

There's nothing else like it in the world.


Except of course the English Bill of Rights from 90 years earlier....


What REALLY makes America unique is that so many Americans believe thy are unique in a good way whereas the rest of the world thinks they are turning themselves into a laughing stock.

And we'd be laughing if it wasn't for the fact that the US is still....for a while at least...the richest and most powerful country in the world. And the historical picture of what happens when such countries go down the gurgler is not a pretty one.



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 01:45 AM
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I used to be under the spell too, but then I moved to Europe and had direct experience.
For a few years I kept myself rigid and kept repeating over and over that we are superior to all peoples and this place is sucky.
But with time, i just ran out of any way to justify that, as reality just wouldn't cooperate with that perception.

The way I see it now, the European countries are older, for the most part. They are the elders that have already had their day in the sun, their time of being a world power stretching it's boundries around the globe, profitting from the resources of other places, impregnating them with their culture.

And they've been through the next phase of that, as that effort begins to cause disintegration from the inside, and they fall from that power, to leave the place for the next one.... then a more relaxed and comfortable life sets in, with less conquering, more pleasure and security...

They are just a few steps ahead in the life of a nation, so it is natural that we look at them; and perhaps expected that we have some difficulty seeing ourselves as equal to them, because we've been spending so long idealizing youth, and violence, and expansion, and lack of security (freedom)... it's hard to imagine that it might be nice to calm down a bit and regroup.

Maybe we're in a midlife crisis, as a nation.

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posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 01:45 AM
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The English Bill of Rights protects from the Royalty. Not from Parliament.
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posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 01:50 AM
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You never lived in The United States as it was founded. None of us have.

That doesn't mean the government that was originally setup wasn't special.

There is a *reason* Europe financial interests worked so hard to tear it down and bring it under Central Banking control.



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 02:14 AM
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BardingTheBard
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You never lived in The United States as it was founded. None of us have.

That doesn't mean the government that was originally setup wasn't special.



What I hear in that is that theory was great, even if it didn't hold up as expected in practice or over time?
That is pretty much what could be said for many countries, and for their different phases.
I suspect that every system has a period of entropy, as well as a period of expansion and efficacity.


There is a *reason* Europe financial interests worked so hard to tear it down and bring it under Central Banking control.


I don't really see things that way, but you have the right to your opinion and I honor it.
What I see is that, the one who takes the role of power in a group,
often complains about being drained by it's followers, or by it's partner who agrees to play the silent and less conspicuous one, in exchange for a guiding power that is not publically, officially, acknowledged.

Like the husband whose wife agrees to give him guidance in private, while playing the submissive in front of guests, for his ego.... how many men get caught up in the appearence game and forget what is really going on? How many children feel resentful and angry when they find out dad is not as amazing and mom is not as dumb and weak as they were led to believe all this time???

Funny how many kids get so angry at that age, when they figure out parents aren't what they thought (superheros) and how many turn to grandparents then as the "ones who understand me"



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 03:12 AM
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13th Zodiac

links234
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Nearly every other industrialized nation has a bill of rights.

Are you seriously suggesting we're the only ones?


Australia does not have a bill of rights or anything Close.


Not at a Commonwealth level, not yet anyway...

State level (Victoria):
www.austlii.edu.au...
Territory level (ACT):
www.austlii.edu.au...

Sorry your point was?



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 03:18 AM
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darkbake
Well what is Germany like these days?


Back from the ashes once more, going strong but reticent, playing by the rules and winning at their game, less and less eager to be a part of "socialist Europe" (weird term) ourselves.



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 04:27 AM
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I agree the bill of rights isnt followed anymore, but one of the main differences between ours and those found around the world is that our rights were given to us by our creator and cannot be taken away, we are born with them as human beings, whereas most governments grant their people the rights. Im not religious but I believe in the concept of being born with certain, unalienable rights rather than a construct of individuals known as the government who grants them to you.



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 04:45 AM
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Most constitutions define something alike the UN Human Rights Charter. -> There's rights you are born with. You cannot be stripped of those rights.
The idea originated somewhere in the philosophical circles of the 17th century (notably John Locke) and was first adopted in the English Bill of Rights.



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 04:48 AM
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I don't think it's been said yet but also the Scandinavian countries regularly top the quality of life surveys. Whatever their policies are, they sure seem to make people happy in their lives.



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 05:45 AM
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tehdouglas
I agree the bill of rights isnt followed anymore, but one of the main differences between ours and those found around the world is that our rights were given to us by our creator and cannot be taken away, we are born with them as human beings, whereas most governments grant their people the rights. Im not religious but I believe in the concept of being born with certain, unalienable rights rather than a construct of individuals known as the government who grants them to you.


Your rights were given to you by your government, to suggest that there was any divine intervention with the right to bare arms sounds scarily like theocracy.



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 06:42 AM
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Merinda
Occasionally American politicians seem to like to scare voters off a candidate, by accusing him to have the intention to turn America into socialist Europe ......




From what I can see, I think the plan is to turn America into Little Zimbabwe.

When the politicos, banksters and corporatists get finished, we'll have to wait in line for our $100,000,000,000,000 bank note. That's after we stand in line for our food.



posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 06:49 AM
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I think that americans believe that everybody in the world is constantly thinking abut them. The truth is that most of the time nobody actually cares. I grew up in Germany and it was brilliant, the amounts of times I thought about america was very rare. When we played, we pretended to be from India or Russia most of the times, America didn't even cross our minds.

America is just another country to the rest of the world but it is sometimes shoved down our throats if we want to or not. The notion that everyone always has america on their minds is an american idea.

Just as a British example. Take Germany's 1966 football loss to England. Whenever I say that i am german, I get to hear "1966". They truly believe that it is majorly important and that everyone knows about it, it is really important here in the UK. Truth is, nobody cares about that date in Germany, we have gone and won many more times and also lost, most people don't even know that there was a game that year, if I say 1966 to a german, I get shoulder shrugs or some older ones know but don't care.

That is exactly how americans are deluded. Look most people get on with their lives in decent European countries without constantly having them in mind.







 
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