"Obamacare worst thing to happen to the U.S. since slavery"

reply to post by Eryiedes


The entire rest of the world, and half of America would disagree. Especially since they cover their whole populations at half the cost. They're liberated by their collective healthcare coverage, Americans are enslaved by the capitalist forces which control theirs. Having a bureaucrat between you and your doctor is preferable to an insurance salesman.

The reactions against Obamacare and the misguided attribution of it being socialism is just another reminder that we just cannot trust the average right-wing American when it comes to anything.

Honestly, the sheer rage against a non-privatized health care system is completely, completely backwards and astonishingly inept. The more I hear and read about terrified, xenophobic, paranoid republicans commenting about what they believe to be socialism, the more I despair.

Thankfully, not all Americans are so dim-witted and for those who genuinely care for their fellow man, my above comments are not aimed at you in the slightest. Just the idiots who are so self-obsessed that they think that having a health-care system is akin to communism or something.

Seriously. Grow up. Eurgh.


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Also this isn't a **** measuring contest. The UK is suffering from conservative right-wing rule, and our NHS is about to be privatized by profit-chasing monsters, which is completely abhorent and sickening.

reply to post by evictiongnostic


Namasute,

I would rather see statistics that do not originate from big pharma/state sponsered healthcare providers before I subscribe to anything you just said.

-Amitaba-

reply to post by Eryiedes


Just what sort of supplier of stats do you think exist?

Would you be happy with stats from "Big insurance" or "big hospitals"?

Do you have some sort of non-partisan health watchdog or "consumer" organisation in the USA - wold that satisfy you??

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


So "fair and impartial" wouldn't satisfy you?

-Amitaba-

I don't know what the confusion is.

Obamacare (the law) has taken our freedom to chose. We are no longer able to chose if we want health insurance or not.

Simple, really.

The law "ACA" passed and we lost a freedom.

beezzer
I don't know what the confusion is.

Obamacare (the law) has taken our freedom to chose. We are no longer able to chose if we want health insurance or not.

Simple, really.

The law "ACA" passed and we lost a freedom.

Namasute,

Precisely.
Allowing government regulation ONLY leads to more government regulation.
The partially collectivised system WILL fail and only lead to complete collectivization and then, America is truely screwed.

-Amitaba-

Eryiedes
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

So "fair and impartial" wouldn't satisfy you?

Fair and impartial is fine - but your criteria also seems to include more than that - for example you seem to presume that anything to do with the Govt cannot be "fair and impartial" - so who is it you think can be??

beezzer
I don't know what the confusion is.

Obamacare (the law) has taken our freedom to chose. We are no longer able to chose if we want health insurance or not.

Simple, really.

The law "ACA" passed and we lost a freedom.

Would you like to have freedom from ill health to go with that whine?

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Assuming the government is actually any better (which has been proven that it's not) what you are suggesting is that it's okay for a criminal to be his own judge.
Good luck with that.

-Amitaba-

Aloysius the Gaul
Would you like to have freedom from ill health to go with that whine?

Ah, yes.
Ad-hom attacks are truely the stinky cologne of failure.

-Amitaba-

Namasute,

We all knew it was coming...at least those of us who are against collectivised healthcare knew.
Doctor Dave Janda dropped a little schooling on the masses at Liberty Rising Radio.
It's a little known fact that doctors could end up in jail for rejecting federal government dictates doctors deem as inappropriate treatments.
Wonderful news huh?
Isn't that special?
The doctor decides that a treatment recommended by the state in inappropriate or even harmful to his patient, he still has no recourse but to administer it regardless, or face prison.
Way to go O-BWAHHH-macare.
Smell whatever freedom you have left America...take a good whiff and remember it because it'll soon be only a memory.

www.silverdoctors.com...

-Amitaba-

Eryiedes

Aloysius the Gaul
Would you like to have freedom from ill health to go with that whine?

Ah, yes.
Ad-hom attacks are truely the stinky cologne of failure.

-Amitaba-

The problem is this; Liberals are stuck supporting Obamacare. They are probably angry and upset about what is in it and how it takes away freedoms, but they are stuck supporting it because they have to support the party and their president.
So they'll stoop to low-brow attacks because they have no real defense for this.

Sad, really.

beezzer
I don't know what the confusion is.

Obamacare (the law) has taken our freedom to chose. We are no longer able to chose if we want health insurance or not.

Simple, really.

The law "ACA" passed and we lost a freedom.

I know we repeatedly get the argument that the law has been passed and it is too late. But how many laws in the US have been repealed to date? No law is ever permanent, although Obama tries to falsely lead people to believe this.

Plus, I am sick of him always arguing, "I was elected", so the republicans lost out on having a say for anything. Obama represents republicans, independents, and democrats. He represents the American people, plural, not just the Democrats. It is time for him to put his party affiliation aside and do his job. Some of us are not happy, so fix it!

beezzer
The problem is this; Liberals are stuck supporting Obamacare. They are probably angry and upset about what is in it and how it takes away freedoms, but they are stuck supporting it because they have to support the party and their president.

Pretty much.
Ideology is a drug whether political or religious in nature.
It's been scientifically proven that biology is tied directly to ideology.
Liberals and conservatives literally have different parts of their brains light up when asked the same questions and react with differing levels of ability to identical tasks.
Mentally speaking, they aren't even the same animal.
Aloysius displays evidence of textbook "priming" at its best.
This is what happens when someone has something they believe in threatened by a different point of view.
It triggers a fight or flight reflex and his higher reasoning centres shut down.
His amygdela is cut-off and he experiences anger, disassociation, contempt, etc...
He then lashes out at the source of his fear...in this case people who have knowledge that trumps his rhetoric and then we get the ad-hom attack: "whine with that cheese?"
Technically it's not his fault. It's been proven this is a result of childhood trauma.
That trauma causes brain damage.
That brain damage forms his ideology.
That ideology in turn corrupts his ability to process reason and evidence.
It's a medical fact.
The more threatened his core belief is, the more violently he will reject anything else deemed as a threat to it.
This is exactly what we are seeing at work here.
It's not loyalty he's displaying.
It's scar tissue from unresolved childhood emotional trauma.

-Amitaba-

yorkshirelad
THank God I live in the UK where EVERYBODy is entitled to FREE care at the point of service irrespective of their medical condition.

- There is no such thing as FREE anything. Someone, somewhere, pays for it.

-No one in the USA is turned away at the hospitals for health care. They get the health care no matter their ability to pay or not. And the hospital and the rest of us end up paying for it when people can't (or won't) pay.

- Obamacare isn't healthcare. It's the government mandating that you buy health insurance.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Your statement did what I term as:

"Knocked it out of the park."

Homerun.

-Amitaba-

Eryiedes

beezzer
The problem is this; Liberals are stuck supporting Obamacare. They are probably angry and upset about what is in it and how it takes away freedoms, but they are stuck supporting it because they have to support the party and their president.

It's a medical fact.
It's not loyalty he's displaying.
It's scar tissue from emotional trauma.

You're saying peoples defensive response to ideology or religion is caused by brain damage? In this case because someone (myself) posted a thread that was not in accordance with their beliefs? I'd have to read a lot more on that subject before I gave it credence, never heard of priming.

I suppose there is a possibility it's real as there does seem to be two types of responses to these types of threads.

1. questioning or disagreement open to discussion.
2. hostile attack, denial, name calling, etc.

Can you give some sources for this? I assume the same applies to the rabid right-wing as well? What about the rabid "middle of the road types?" (If there is such a thing.) This topic could easily be worth it's own thread.

Aloysius the Gaul

Would you like to have freedom from ill health to go with that whine?

Freedom from ill health is freedom from the establishment.
Big Pharma and the CDC; as a tainted vaccine to the people.

Bassago
You're saying peoples defensive response to ideology or religion is caused by brain damage? In this case because someone (myself) posted a thread that was not in accordance with their beliefs? I'd have to read a lot more on that subject before I gave it credence, never heard of priming.

Namasute,

At the risk of sounding religious (which I am not): "Ask and ye shall recieve"

The Bomb in the Brain Part 1 - The True Roots of Human Violence:

www.youtube.com...

The Bomb in the Brain Part 2 - The Freedomain Radio Interview with Dr. Felitti, the director of the Adverse Childhood Experiences Study

www.youtube.com...

The Bomb in the Brain Part 3 - The Biology of Violence: The Effects of Child Abuse

www.youtube.com...

The Bomb in the Brain Part 4 - The Death of Reason - The Effects of Child Abuse:

www.youtube.com...

For those who will ask, there is SO much information in this video series that I couldn't possibly encapsulate it all so copy the links and watch them when you can...but everything I mentioned is found in Part IV.
The evidence is ironclad.
I hope this is not seen as a derailment. He asked...I answered.

-Amitaba-