"Obamacare worst thing to happen to the U.S. since slavery"

reply to post by ScottProphhit


it seems we have not learned much, there is still slavery to this day, not many really care though, just as they didnt really care before.....there is a huge market out there for sex slaves, thats the first one that comes to mind, but then there are children that are forced into battle, are they not slaves?

Yeah we as a people have made leaps and bounds on treating humans with the decency that we do all deserve/end sarcasm

but since those for-mentioned issues dont serve the elites it is rarely brought up, and most people that are aware just think, "thank god that isnt me". Again leaps and bounds

A thorough dogmatic conservative . . . this doctor. To equate something that has behind it, however flawed, good and moral intent with slavery, illustrates his total ignorance and moral blindness.

Obama care is for the poor who can’t afford health care. This guy, supposed to be a doctor, is a disgrace to his profession.
Anybody who believes that has the mentality of a criminal.

DocHolidaze
reply to post by ScottProphhit

 

it seems we have not learned much, there is still slavery to this day, not many really care though, just as they didnt really care before.....there is a huge market out there for sex slaves, thats the first one that comes to mind, but then there are children that are forced into battle, are they not slaves?

Yeah we as a people have made leaps and bounds on treating humans with the decency that we do all deserve/end sarcasm

but since those for-mentioned issues dont serve the elites it is rarely brought up, and most people that are aware just think, "thank god that isnt me". Again leaps and bounds

Wow basically, but to say we haven't learned much? It's just the ones who do learn and speak out are killed!

I had just said before, Martin Luther King had a dream and that dream is still just a dream.

You can't say people don't care, if accurate reports of slavery whether it be sex or labour went on mainstream news it would hurt people! Yeah I suppose most know that they're Nike clothing was made by developing world citizens making 25p a day. The reason they don't seem to care is because of the way that information was processed to them, biased towards the corporation.

Aloysius the Gaul
Ben Caron is the guy who compared gays to pedophiles and practitioners of bestiality isn't he?

You yanks have a really strange idea of what constitutes "socialism" too - most of your "socialism" is way to the right of countries like Australia, UK, New Zealand, etc.

Your rabid fear of anything "socialist" would be amusing if it wasn't also part of what is driving your greatest country on earth into a laughing stock!

This thread hurt my brain so, I just made a new one on the whole matter.

It is so over reaching and invasive to all of our rights as citizens of the USA that it should be simply ended right now.. Slavery is a very good comparison, since that's what everyone will be to the ACA.. Obamacare will be everyone's MASTER who participates in it.

This is a Coup d'état in action before our very eyes (ears, noses, and throats ), Obama should be arrested and charged with treason for this illegal and unconstitutional pile of toilet paper. All of those who have cheered on Obamacare and helped it through (lawmakers, congress, senate etc.), should also be charged with conspiracy in this obscene scandal.

Obamacare is the mother of all piles of obscene dog messes. and does indeed compare to slavery quite well..

If no one signs up and even quits filing income taxes, this will fall apart. If our representatives fail to get rid of this unamerican garbage, we will need to get rid of them. (need that anyways.)

sonnny1

boncho


The country, people wonder why its in the tubes. But it's not a wonder.

The Country is in the Tubes because this President is intellectually dishonest.

The fact that we are here today to debate raising Americas debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.~ Obama 2006

Does what he said apply today? For me it does, and anyone who is intellectually honest would agree too. He answered the real question on WHY our Country is in the Tubes in 2006.

leadership failure


You can lean anyway you want, and have an opinion of why this Country is bad, but Obama spells it out perfectly. Partisanship aside, B.

Sonny, you know I enjoy our discourse over the forums, but c'mon man, "partisanship aside" ?! Who are you kidding, every single president has raised the deficit (nearly doubled it) in the last 20 years, (Reagan being one of the worst) and they all have said something similar before they were in office which firmly inserted their foot in mouth while in office.

!!

All the same man!

reply to post by boncho

This thread hurt my brain so, I just made a new one on the whole matter.

And it's a really good one too.
Sorry about the head.

reply to post by boncho


Oh yeah. Im not saying its JUST Obama.

They are all Liars, and crooks. Throw them all out!

But......


Hes in charge right now. The "buck stops here" shouldn't be every American, caught in the Governments headlights!





Im not waiting for the next President to wreck as much havoc as this one has done. We need to make an example out of him, and his policies! We need to take America back! We need to vote all these bums out!

Thats how I see it.

Slavery was the worst thing to happen to America...


How disconnected to reality do you have to be to think otherwise??

Obama care is the same....WTF is wrong with people?

Help the poor vs enslave a race.... Wow, just wow.

ChuckNasty
Slavery was the worst thing to happen to America...

Help the poor vs enslave a race.... Wow, just wow.

No there were and are worse things.

Federal Reserve Act of 1913
Iraq war casualties from US war of fake WMD's est. loss of lives 110K - 174K
Unlimited NSA domestic surveillance
DHS militarization of the US homeland

Obamacare really has nothing to do with "helping" people. It's about wealth redistribution.

Bassago

ChuckNasty
Slavery was the worst thing to happen to America...

Help the poor vs enslave a race.... Wow, just wow.

No there were and are worse things.

Federal Reserve Act of 1913

Act of 1913 - making and implementing banking laws that kept the bankers from sucking the life from the common person is like slavery? The banks were forced to assist the common man. This eventually led to Home Mortgages - for a long arse time, homes were bought with 100% cash. Banks didn't even think of loaning monies to the common person to help with home loans...but this is worst than slavery?

Iraq war casualties from US war of fake WMD's est. loss of lives 110K - 174K

The world fell for this one - did Iraq have WMD's...yes, but they gave them up as the lack of proof shows. Iraq was a UN sanctioned action... but this is worst than slavery? Living under an oppressor like Saddam is worst than slavery - yes, that is why the UN kicked butt..

Unlimited NSA domestic surveillance

From Niven Laws "F × S = k. The product of Freedom and Security is a constant. To gain more freedom of thought and/or action, you must give up some security, and vice versa." Can't have your cake and eat it too..

DHS militarization of the US homeland

Enough said - we don't want to become like Mexico...let us have crooked politicians instead of crooked thugs. DHS protects our boarders with force.

Obamacare really has nothing to do with "helping" people. It's about wealth redistribution.

Slavery - Human's being sold on a market. Human's being born into Indentured servitude. Human's having no rights and are killed & treated like they were cattle...

ObamaCare isn't the same at all...only a fool would believe that.

ChuckNasty

Slavery - Human's being sold on a market. Human's being born into Indentured servitude. Human's having no rights and are killed & treated like they were cattle...

You don't think this is what the US is like? OK we're note quite to slave block yet but while the international corporate implemented poverty is not indentured servitude, maybe more like the old Indian caste system. Does that feel better?

Slavery is slavery no matter what you call it. As far as no rights, being killed and treated like cattle... where have you been? Been to an airport lately? Seen the news of cops killing people all over the country?

ObamaCare isn't the same at all...only a fool would believe that.

That's your opinion not mine. I won't even call you names over it either.

Bassago
Obamacare really has nothing to do with "helping" people. It's about wealth redistribution.

Might be true on certain areas - but when looking at the whole ACA mentality.

Imagine you have 3 in your fam including yourself - you make 20k a year. You have no employer provided insurance at your 2 part time jobs.

You will be forced to pay monies from your pocket. You will also have a max pay-out-of-pocket cost of around 5k.

Before ObamaCare - you didn't have to pay squat if you had an emergency. Just head to your local emergency room - get stabilized, get released - owe no payment or fee's (you still get a bill, but you just default on it). If you lived in a Lotto state - your kids got free medical care if you were at a certain poverty level. I see those funds being removed due to ObamaCare. ACA is currently flawed on many levels.

With ObamaCare - you can no longer do that. EVERYONE will end up having a plan. You might even get denied future service until you paid what you owed for services rendered...

This will hurt the poor class more than it would the middle class. Middle class - just pay a few more percent. Poor class - will have to pay regardless. Upperclass - will pay out their behinds, but they can afford it. The upperclass will pay just to keep their rating up.

Bassago

ChuckNasty

Slavery - Human's being sold on a market. Human's being born into Indentured servitude. Human's having no rights and are killed & treated like they were cattle...

You don't think this is what the US is like? OK we're note quite to slave block yet but while the international corporate implemented poverty is not indentured servitude, maybe more like the old Indian caste system. Does that feel better?

You are free to leave...the difference between that and slavery.

Slavery is slavery no matter what you call it. As far as no rights, being killed and treated like cattle... where have you been? Been to an airport lately? Seen the news of cops killing people all over the country?

I am Military - we are tracked and treated like crap 500% more than a civilian. I know what freedom is - you just are too blind to see it. You need to understand how the rest of the planet works to appreciate your given freedoms..

ObamaCare isn't the same at all...only a fool would believe that.

That's your opinion not mine. I won't even call you names over it either.

If that line is true in your logic - sorry for stating you are a fool. I just hope that everyone doesn't feel like this is slavery.

THIS IS A FREAKING TAX - but written so it isn't a tax?

Socialized Schools worked out great right? (no, it blows royally).
Socialized Welfare works out great right? (no, people are lazy and the system is broken).

I am against Obama Care - but to call it worst than slavery... Holy Crap that is just f'd up on soo many levels.

ChuckNasty

This will hurt the poor class more than it would the middle class. Middle class - just pay a few more percent. Poor class - will have to pay regardless. Upperclass - will pay out their behinds, but they can afford it. The upperclass will pay just to keep their rating up.

Agreed. I posted a link in another thread today to a 2009 Reuters article. It showed 45K Americans per year died because they lacked heath care. It's going to get worse now, as you say the middle class will pay more, the rich don't care and over the last 5 years the population of the poor has dramatically increased.

The corporate overlords have gotten what the want out of this. We need a different plan but we need one that keeps any more of us from dying due to lack of care. I don't think the plan we've got now will work.

I am Military - we are tracked and treated like crap 500% more than a civilian. I know what freedom is - you just are too blind to see it. You need to understand how the rest of the planet works to appreciate your given freedoms..

I'm sorry to hear you say that. I was born and raised military and served as well. I've live Asia, Europe and the Americas so I know exactly what the world is like. I also remember what the USA was like when it was a free country. I miss it more than you can imagine and want it back. Don't assume so much.

beezzer
reply to post by Bassago

 

Dr. Ben Carson is currently my write-in for president.

All I gotta say on the subject. . . .

I can understand that. If only Dr. Ben Carson had been the first Black US President instead of Obama.

It's a tragedy for the Blacks, that the PTB (all White men) decided to foist Obama on the US for their own purposes.

They used Obama's color against the American people.
(Oppose Obama's actions and you're a racist.) Who in his right mind would ram thru a nationalized healthcare bill during the worst financial meltdown since the Great Depression?

Fixing the economy should have been Priority One. Get the tax base fat & healthy again, then you can fund the "nice to have" stuff -- like expanded social care programs.

But Obama was told to ram this through, because Obamacare is NOT about our healthcare. It's about a massive expansion of Federal power and a huge tax hike on the working poor & middle classes. The PTB are all about power (control & money).
They could give a flying fig about our health.

Obamacare fully implemented is death to most of the US middles classes and still leaves about 30 million people uncovered.

Destroying the middles classes is just what they want. The PTB behind Obama want an accelerated path to the NWO, and they want a broken & desperate people who are willing to give away their sovereignty in exchange for the "security" of slavery.

ChuckNasty

Bassago
Obamacare really has nothing to do with "helping" people. It's about wealth redistribution.

Might be true on certain areas - but when looking at the whole ACA mentality.

Imagine you have 3 in your fam including yourself - you make 20k a year. You have no employer provided insurance at your 2 part time jobs.

You will be forced to pay monies from your pocket. You will also have a max pay-out-of-pocket cost of around 5k.

Before ObamaCare - you didn't have to pay squat if you had an emergency. Just head to your local emergency room - get stabilized, get released - owe no payment or fee's (you still get a bill, but you just default on it). If you lived in a Lotto state - your kids got free medical care if you were at a certain poverty level. I see those funds being removed due to ObamaCare. ACA is currently flawed on many levels.

With ObamaCare - you can no longer do that. EVERYONE will end up having a plan. You might even get denied future service until you paid what you owed for services rendered...

This will hurt the poor class more than it would the middle class. Middle class - just pay a few more percent. Poor class - will have to pay regardless. Upperclass - will pay out their behinds, but they can afford it. The upperclass will pay just to keep their rating up.

edit on 12-10-2013 by ChuckNasty because: added lotto stuff

Thing is, this whole system so far as i can tell thus far is gonna place an unbelievable burden on people who have worked their tails off racking up debt to put themselves through college and do what they're supposed to, worked hard and achieved a respectable but by no means luxurious lot in life. People like my wife and I, who are struggling to achieve upward mobility and provide for our family of 4. We're barely in whats considered middle class.

We couldn't afford to pay for post-secondary education but realized its a necessity in this day and age so we took out student loans to pay for it and worked and got our degrees. Now we've got a family and jobs to pay the bills, not great jobs because we're young and at the bottom of the totem pole but jobs that might afford us the opportunity to save and buy a house and achieve our version of the "American dream" one day if we play our cards right. I did the price calculation and it'll cost us $590 a month with a nearly 13k deductible for decent insurance which we need because we have young kids.

Why are my kids gonna go to school in rags because we did the right thing, went to school and make an ok living and are now expected to shoulder the burden? You might disagree but thats sure as hell how it seems to me at the present. $600 a month is a lot of money, money we dont have.

Its all great in theory, but in practice when applied to the real world its insanity. Its so noble to say "ill gladly pay a little more for those who cant afford it" until you think about YOUR children having to go without and you see it isn't a little more, its a lot more. Any parent knows where I'm coming from. Its my kids above all. I'm essentially being screwed for being responsible. Politics aside that's my gripe with this whole sham and from my personal experience I disagree wholeheartedly with your assertion that it'll affect the middle class the least.

boncho

xuenchen
"Obamacare worst thing to happen to the U.S. since slavery"


Interesting concept.

Before answering the obvious question of *how* ObamaCare or any form of socialized health care compares to slavery, first we might want to *explore* what the Lenin / Marx *Idealist Concepts* are in regards to:

“Socialized medicine is the keystone in the establishment of a socialist state,”

We also need to determine if this applies to Corporations as *The State*. Perhaps *The Corporation* IS *The State* in modern applications.

Are you serious? Have you even looked at where your tax dollars go? The US wastes so much ____'ing money on so much GARBAGE, and some people actually think giving out free healthcare is the descent into evil pinko communism?

Dear god, the whole country may as well be labeled communist circa 60's standards, it's not like any of you have a choice where your tax dollars go and a major chunk of it is spent on building a bunch of 5 million dollar tanks or drones that will get abandoned in some god forsaken place in the Middle East after being used once or twice, better yet, a billion here or there will just be another tax break to some insurance company that is planning to ram a 16 inch dildo up your ass.

Of course, all the Americans know better, don't wanna be socialists, screw anyone with pre existing conditions and appendages that have to be sewn back on, don't wanna be dirty socialists!

Lmao wow this post made my night.

It's funny when you think about the root words found in communism, socialism, and capitalism.

Gotta love "Stuff" right? I digress, there are plenty of issues in this world that are arriving like a train on fire about to derail.

This "Dr." is only concerned that he will make less money from patients on Obamacare.

Personally I think that there has been too much water under the bridge in order for the US to change now to Obamacare....

Even though I am not from the US, I think that the idea behind it would be a good one if it was brought into the US system a long, long time ago before the fat cat private health firms appeared...

The National Health Service (NHS) here in the UK, gives people the access to health care regardless of how rich or poor they are, the money is taken from your work earnings and goes towards the health care of everybody in the country...

Surely the US citizens must see the benefits if this system if it was taken on and given time to work. The biggest problem with Obamacare, is not that it's a bad idea, it is because it is trying to be brought in far too late and all the private health care companies don't want to lose their finances from customers...

It seems as though people who have paid into private health care don't want to appear to have been ripped off with all the years of paying into something. I also think that US citizens have a problem with Obamacare because they don't want to pay into something that is going to benefit people who aren't paying into it, such as what happens here in the UK...

I feel sorry for the backwards attitude of the USA, this Obamacare idea is a wonderful way forward, I applaud president Obama for taking a big risk trying to bring this in, even though I know it will never be accepted by a majority of the US people...

President Obama will go down in history and will always be known for this idea of health care and people hating him for it. But in reality the idea would work if folks would open their eyes to it, but that is never going to happen in such a dog eat dog money orientated fat cat country and keep the people in control, rather than allowing all the people of the country equal health care without being scared of being thrown out of the hospital doors because you haven't got the finances to assist your health needs...

You may not agree with what I am saying, but there it is in a nut-shell...