"Obamacare worst thing to happen to the U.S. since slavery"

reply to post by neo96






Okay....ya GOT me!!!
Nicely played!

-Amitaba-

reply to post by Bassago


I would think the Federal Reserve was the worst thing to happen to the US since slavery ...

I dunno, we was having some serious medical concerns in this country, specifically the cost of medical care going up and up, I realize I seem to be the only one going against the grain of popular ATS opinion, I've never been one to follow popular opinion anyways.

Should we has just kept things as they were? Me personally have seen medical coverage get worse as cost of insurance had continued to go up, an I the only one? What other options where there to fix this issue? Just leave it alone and let it fix itself ... Think we tried, it didn't.

I'm all for a different way to address the problem we was facing, what are the other plans?

ScottProphhit
Haha sorry I meant the U.S, but you labelled yourself as a citizen rather than a member of the human race. That means you take the countries sins.

Hmmm... I don't believe I did label myself as any type of citizen in the above post. Care to explain where you got that idea from? I may live somewhere, and everybody's from somewhere, but that doesn't mean I associate myself with their current definition of "citizens." I'm usually pretty darn careful not to use self-inclusive terms like "we" and "our."

Hey, you know, there's another by-product of both slavery and Obamacare. Slavery was partially responsible for dividing the USA and instilled a major us versus them attitude from both sides... just like Obama in general and Obamacare specifically has today. Wow, it's like slavery is looking at itself in a mirror.

reply to post by boncho

Dear god, the whole country may as well be labeled communist circa 60's standards

Of course, all the Americans know better, don't wanna be socialists, screw anyone with pre existing conditions and appendages that have to be sewn back on, don't wanna be dirty socialists!

That may be the point. Since the 60's we've slid down the tubes pretty badly. About half of us don't want to go any further. America wasn't built on socialism and it wasn't what we wanted.

As far as the money goes, with everything wasted, militarized and pork barreled it's hard to tell which way is up anymore. Let alone create a bureaucracy like Obamacare.

reply to post by ScottProphhit


Yeah it is what happened.

But then again what is the topic here?

Obama care is worse than slavery ?

Why yes it is, the only relation the two might have would be the natives getting whipped out by disease, and Obama sees himself as a 'medicine man'.

reply to post by boncho


Hmmm.

How does all that apply to Leninism/Marxism ?

All I want is a definition and comparison of principals.

from the OP;

“Socialized medicine is the keystone in the establishment of a socialist state,”

How does this statement by Lenin apply ?

Simple question requires a complicated answer.

ScottProphhit
That's not what happened, it was by force

Here's a link to a wide array of history books
Amazon.com History Textbooks

It's amazing how actually reading about and studying history can increase your understanding of it and reduce erroneously stated comments.

darkbake
Where would America be without slavery?

Well... a relevant question, as slavery is coming back big time now.

We are headed towards a slave state, and that a lot of this has been driven by the fact that people will blindly follow their party lines over a cliff.

Look at how extremist and totalitarian both sides are, there is no safe haven for someone who just wants to be happy. And in my opinion, if you cut right down to the bottom line,

Both sides are working together to promote a totalitarian agenda against everyone's best interest.

Greetings sir,

We have (respectively) differed on certain subjects in the past but I have to say it.
I can find no flaw in your logic what-so-ever.

-Amitaba-

reply to post by neo96


Everything you mentioned is true but I don't know if I would call it slavery.

Definition; slavery is a system under which people are bought and sold " AND FORCED TO WORK".

The whole point of slavery was forced labor for nothing in return but your life.

I would really like to see Obama even suggest to his base they should work........LOL !

Battleline
reply to post by neo96

 

Everything you mentioned is true but I don't know if I would call it slavery.

Definition; slavery is a system under which people are bought and sold " AND FORCED TO WORK".

The whole point of slavery was forced labor for nothing in return but your life.

I would really like to see Obama even suggest to his base they should work........LOL !

You're right.

It's more like a tyranny or dictatorship.

Obama only wants adoration.

Not your life.

yorkshirelad


THank God I live in the UK where EVERYBODy is entitled to FREE care at the point of service irrespective of their medical condition. .

First....NOTHING is Free.

Great Healthcare, eh?

More than a third of those who said they support a change in the law cited a belief that dying people cannot expect to receive “decent” care at the end of their lives among their reasons. And while a conviction that people in the 21st century should have a “right to choose” how and when they die dominated the thinking of supporters of assisted dying, only a minority of opponents cited traditional arguments based on life being “sacred”.

NHS fears fuelling support for assisted suicide, poll suggests

reply to post by Battleline

Definition; slavery is a system under which people are bought and sold " AND FORCED TO WORK"

we are being forced to work to support someone else, and pay corporations more money.

And the people are being bought and sold,some cheaply

That is slavery in my book.

burdman30ott6

ScottProphhit
That's not what happened, it was by force

Here's a link to a wide array of history books
Amazon.com History Textbooks

It's amazing how actually reading about and studying history can increase your understanding of it and reduce erroneously stated comments.

Your own countries textbooks. But I know for a fact Columbus came to America for gold and spices, your textbooks are biased

xuenchen
reply to post by boncho

 

Hmmm.

How does all that apply to Leninism/Marxism ?

All I want is a definition and comparison of principals.

from the OP;

“Socialized medicine is the keystone in the establishment of a socialist state,”

How does this statement by Lenin apply ?

Simple question requires a complicated answer.

Save it, you are one of the worst partisan posters in the forum. Simply because you were speaking on an intellectual level this time doesn't make anyone believe it. Simply typing XuenChen + Socialist will bring up a dozen ATS threads.

It reminds me of the opposite side, during the Bush years. And both of you, the lot of you, remind me of 60's era rhetoric.

When do partisan people simply stop, sit back for a second, realize neither of them are on the winning team?

The country, people wonder why its in the tubes. But it's not a wonder.

reply to post by boncho

Save it, you are one of the worst partisan posters in the forum.

No he isn't

I am.

But hey I learned by example, and the examples our potus sets daily.

neo96


we are being forced to work to support someone else, and pay corporations more money.

And the people are being bought and sold,some cheaply

That is slavery in my book.

Truth!

And, the big bad insurance companies are making even MORE money off of Obamacare.

When the Companies and stockholders are making 200-300% more money off of their stocks, why wouldn't they want Obamacare to succeed?


Wasnt the whole purpose of Obamacare to help those in need? Its such a HUGE Joke.

Just like Carbon Credits.

Merriam-Webster - Slavery

Slavery

1. drudgery, toil
2. submission to a dominating influence
3. the state of a person who is a chattel of another
4. the practice of slaveholding

Is Obamacare slavery? If you apply number 2 of the definition it suggests it might at least be similar.
Is it the worst thing since slavery? Well as previously posted the Federal Reserve Act might be worse. Or maybe they're the same thing.

boncho


The country, people wonder why its in the tubes. But it's not a wonder.

The Country is in the Tubes because this President is intellectually dishonest.

The fact that we are here today to debate raising Americas debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.~ Obama 2006

Does what he said apply today? For me it does, and anyone who is intellectually honest would agree too. He answered the real question on WHY our Country is in the Tubes in 2006.

leadership failure


You can lean anyway you want, and have an opinion of why this Country is bad, but Obama spells it out perfectly. Partisanship aside, B.

xuenchen

Bassago
reply to post by xuenchen

 

All I can think of in regard to "if this is as bad as slavery" is that unless it's overturned we're going to find out. If it remains law then the US in decades to come will be very different than what we have. (Even if we do have a mess now.)

Whether it goes downhill from here or they fix it for everyone things are going to be different.

Nancy said;

"we need to pass it so you can see what's in it"....

now she might say;

"we need to try it so you can find out what it will do to you"

And with that last paraphrase, Xuench, I can no longer guess
why the Italians and Germans were that advanced into corporatism,...
"The more we do to you, the less you seem to notice we're doing it."
Joe Mengele. Snappy dresser: bought War Bonds.

It probably doesn't matter if it's covert or overt, the results are the same. By the time we woke up the red hair turned almost white and we were running twenty minutes late for 'work'.
How many of us even self ployed made some rationalization(s) every morning to reinforce the illusion we were free?

reply to post by yorkshirelad


Obamacare is not FREE! It costs many hundreds of dollars each month. Many people will pay more now than under their previous insurance. Obamacare was a givaway for the insurance industry.