Does Christianity make a claim no other religion makes?

AfterInfinity
reply to post by Rex282

 

So how do we know revelations haven't already come and gone?

uhhh...what??..Do you mean the "book" called "Revelation".....if you really want to know what I think I suggest you read all 343(the square root of 7 btw) of my previous posts many that clearly state it is NOT about a world cataclysm the GREAT Tribulation culminating in a battle of Armageddon between God and the saints and satan and the evil ones...that has as much relation to reality as a Halloween haunting does to Quantum Physics nonlocality that Einstein called spooky action.

The religious carnal mind believes what it wants to believe.There is nothing in that book the remotely suggests it's literal predictions of past present of future historical events.(I've wrote that so many time here at ATS I could type it with my toes.)

The fact is the religious carnal mind(this includes doom porn conspirtist) will never believe it is not true.They will go to their graves believing it will happen....and it never will.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Sorry for the late reply, I just saw this.

That’s ok…thought maybe you thought I was a religious fundy, and decided to leave the biulding lol

Anyway, You quoted John 14:20…so I had to make an apearance…lol

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
John 14 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.


This right here proves without a doubt that Jesus saw himself as equal to everyone. "You are in me, and I am in you." We are all the same on the inside, meaning we all (consciousness or life itself) came before Abraham, not just Jesus.

But that John 14:20 verse , has to be put into context, with the entire chapter of John 14. They’re all talking about and leading up to, the receiving of the Holy Spirit.

John 14:15-18
If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

Jesus is clearly taking a big role in the giving of this Spirit. And then further down we have this verse…

John 14:23-24
Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

Again Jesus is taking a big role, when it comes to receiving the Spirit of God.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Eternity has no beginning or end, so I don't understand how you can think some have been here longer than others.

If we somehow had a beginning (implied by others coming before us), that would completely destroy your theory that we are all eternal, because like I said, eternity has no beginning (or end).

Not neccessarly, because if a being was created within eternity, from an enternal source or being i.e. God, and that created being was then able to live forever, from that point onwards, then that being would also have to be described as eternal, or at least now a part of the enternal/oneness. This is why I up brought the idea of bigger and larger inifinities, which I know is something difficult to think about.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
We cannot be eternal if we had a beginning, it goes completely against the definition of eternal.

But this is just the thing, I only believe we are connected to the enternal/God and were created from Him/it, hence, Sons of the living Father. So whether this fits the standard defintion of eternal, doesn’t really matter, because on the day you’re created, you become a part of the eternal, iether way.

Imagine a cup on your desk. Now at the edge of the cup, is where the cup ends, but the cup goes on forever, down at the atomic scale, therefore the cup is eternal IMO, even if it had a beginning, within enternity itself.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
The fact is (in my opinion), when Jesus spoke of himself, he was in a broader sense talking about all living things.

Can you give an example…?

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
We all have the essence of life, meaning we are all the essence of Jesus and Jesus is also the essence of us.

I believe Jesus teaches just what you mentioned above, and that he taught about Consciousness/Spirit, in the Gospel of Thomas. Unfortunately He takes things a step further, in the 4 canonical Gospels.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
We're all equal, Jesus is not on a pedestal. Jesus is not the only person in history to speak for God, there have been many people who have spoken for him, Buddha is one such example

Well, Jesus called us all Friends, so he clearly isn’t looking to put himself up on a pedestal, it’s only the false aspects of the Christian religion, which attempts to do that IMO…

As for people coming to speak about God, Buddha certainly did. But Jesus was prophesied to come to speak on Gods behalf, and He also adds some unique things regarding himself and God, which all have to weighed up collectively…such as those verses I highlighted in John 14…

- JC

reply to post by Joecroft

But that John 14:20 verse , has to be put into context, with the entire chapter of John 14. They’re all talking about and leading up to, the receiving of the Holy Spirit.

I don't see how this refutes what I say. Read what he says, "on that day you will realize", realize being the key word. He doesn't say "receive" he says "realize" that we are in him and he is in us. If someone realizes they have a pimple on their face, does that mean the pimple was never there until they see it?

Jesus is clearly taking a big role in the giving of this Spirit. And then further down we have this verse…

What he means is that his teachings will help you to "realize" that he was never away from you or separate from you as he says in verse 20, his teachings will "come" to you and help you realize that you are in him and he in you and that it has always been that way, even before you realized it.

Again Jesus is taking a big role, when it comes to receiving the Spirit of God.

Again, Jesus is talking about his universal teachings on love which help you to realize you are the same as him.

Not neccessarly, because if a being was created within eternity, from an enternal source or being i.e. God, and that created being was then able to live forever, from that point onwards, then that being would also have to be described as eternal, or at least now a part of the enternal/oneness. This is why I up brought the idea of bigger and larger inifinities, which I know is something difficult to think about.

Eternity is defined as having no beginning and no end. Even the body you inhabit right now has already existed in one form or another for eternity, because energy can be neither created nor destroyed. When your body decomposes, it will become part of the soil around it, it will change forms and always exist.

I'll try to explain the bigger and smaller infinities as I understand them. The bigger eternity is the billions upon billions of years the universe has existed in its current state and its former states. The smaller infinity is the eternal moment that you experience from second to second. Zeno's paradox of the arrow will give you a better idea of what I mean here.

But this is just the thing, I only believe we are connected to the enternal/God and were created from Him/it, hence, Sons of the living Father. So whether this fits the standard defintion of eternal, doesn’t really matter, because on the day you’re created, you become a part of the eternal, iether way.

Imagine a cup on your desk. Now at the edge of the cup, is where the cup ends, but the cup goes on forever, down at the atomic scale, therefore the cup is eternal IMO, even if it had a beginning, within enternity itself.

You're stuck in the physical mindset. I'm not talking about your physical body and the mind attached to it being eternal, I'm talking about the essence of life within you. If you think of yourself as your mind and/or body, then even Jesus had a beginning because he was only here for a short time.

The I AM, life, the Alpha and Omega is eternal, so you yourself have always existed in one form or another. You were Jesus, you were Buddha, you were Krishna, you were Muhammad, you were Charles Dickens, you have been everyone that has ever lived because you have life within you. You are the eternal God experiencing itself from infinite viewpoints.

This link may give you a better idea of what I mean. I'm sure you've read the story before. The Egg

Can you give an example…?

I've already given it to you. John 14:20.

Well, Jesus called us all Friends, so he clearly isn’t looking to put himself up on a pedestal, it’s only the false aspects of the Christian religion, which attempts to do that IMO…

As for people coming to speak about God, Buddha certainly did. But Jesus was prophesied to come to speak on Gods behalf, and He also adds some unique things regarding himself and God, which all have to weighed up collectively…such as those verses I highlighted in John 14…

Prophesied according to what? The OT? You do realize the OT prophecies are the main false aspects of the Christian religion right?

Your argument relies on prophecies in a book that Jesus implied the devil wrote. Read John 8:44-45 to get the reference. He was talking to the Pharisees, who worshiped Yahweh, the god of the OT.

AfterInfinity
reply to post by Rex282

 

Could you be so kind as to show me how those numbers correlate to form a pyramidal figure?

My kindness knows no bounds....#head...

The Pyramid of Giza(the perfect pyramid) is based on the Pythagorean right triangle.The exact measurement isn't known because there was no capstone and the casings were stripped.It's height is a very close calculation by the slope(an estimate also because the casings has been stripped).Everything else about the POG is perfect so it can be safetly assumed it was exact when built.

Start with 2 Pythagorean right triangles with the same dimensions back to back.The base of the pyramid is 2x the base of these triangles.This all relates to Phi so I'll use it as the basis.

A²= B²+C²(5²=4²+3²)

A=Phi=1.618033988749895
B=The height(square root of Phi)=1.272019649514069
C= half of the base=1

1.618033988749895²=1²+1.272019649514069²
2.618033988749895²=1+1.618033988749895

The ratio of the height to the base =
1.272019649514069 / 2 = 0.636009824757035

The Great Pyramid of Giza approximate dimensions are

base=755.9 feet
height=480.8 feet

The ratio of the base to the height =
480.8 / 755.9 = 0.636062971292499

The measurements are very close approximates but still the ratios are almost exact.There are no coincidences.

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ME thinks you need to read about the essene culture to get a better idea of the kind of JEW Christ of Nazareth truly was... lol.. you need enlightenment. :-)

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I don't see how this refutes what I say. Read what he says, "on that day you will realize", realize being the key word. He doesn't say "receive" he says "realize" that we are in him and he is in us. If someone realizes they have a pimple on their face, does that mean the pimple was never there until they see it?

Yes “realize” is the key word. But IMO Jesus was talking about when you receive the Holy Spirit, that’s when you will realize it, on that day, you receive it etc…

There are many other verses where Jesus ties himself in, with the sending and receiving, of this Holy Spirit. Here are a few other verses to help show what I mean…

John 16:7
7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you

The advocate is the Holy Spirit. And in this verse Jesus has to go, before it can be sent, and the reason why, is because He is! Part of that Spirit. But again, the same truth is repeated by Jesus in John 14

For example here…

John 14:15-18
15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, andhe will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

And again here…

John 14:23
23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

Again, this is talking about receiving of the Spirit of God…on the day that you come to believe what Jesus is saying, and who He is…And on the day you receive it, only then, will you realize it etc…

Which is in turn, tied into this verse

John 7:38-39

38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified

And by scriptures, Jesus is referring to the OT prophets, who prophesied his coming.

Standard Christianity teaches that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, but I beg to differ. In fact, I believe Jesus and the Father are the Holy Spirit together, which is why Jesus says in that verse (John 14:23) above, the words “we” will come etc…

Continued…

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Continued…

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
What he means is that his teachings will help you to "realize" that he was never away from you or separate from you as he says in verse 20, his teachings will "come" to you and help you realize that you are in him and he in you and that it has always been that way, even before you realized it.

Yes, the teachings of Jesus help people to recognize the truth, because He spoke directly on Gods behalf. This is why the teachings hit home on a spiritual level.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I'll try to explain the bigger and smaller infinities as I understand them. The bigger eternity is the billions upon billions of years the universe has existed in its current state and its former states. The smaller infinity is the eternal moment that you experience from second to second. Zeno's paradox of the arrow will give you a better idea of what I mean here.

I’m not sure how Zeno’s paradox, fits into our discussion, interesting though it is. With the smaller and larger infinities, I was making a parallel between a being that is eternal and always existed, and another being created within the eternal, who will now exist forever. Both are infinite, but one is bigger…i.e. been around longer than the other. And incidentally, a few Gnostic texts talk about such beings, who were around during creation, and Jesus is regarded as one such being, similar to an Angel, but much different IMO

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
You're stuck in the physical mindset. I'm not talking about your physical body and the mind attached to it being eternal, I'm talking about the essence of life within you. If you think of yourself as your mind and/or body, then even Jesus had a beginning because he was only here for a short time.

Yes this is true, I believe Spiritual beings have a beginning and only then become a part of the eternal.

But anyway, your right, Jesus did have a beginning, but IMO he just so happens to be the first. I believe Proverbs 8, is referring to Jesus, hence why he is referred to as “The Son of God” in various texts, and not just “a son of God”.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
The I AM, life, the Alpha and Omega is eternal, so you yourself have always existed in one form or another. You were Jesus, you were Buddha, you were Krishna, you were Muhammad, you were Charles Dickens, you have been everyone that has ever lived because you have life within you. You are the eternal God experiencing itself from infinite viewpoints.

But where did you get this knowledge/idea from…?

You see, what you’ve written above, I don’t completely subscribe too, with the exception, of us being a part of the eternal God.

This idea that there is only one entity, in existence, and where all it!, is, I believe incorrect. I believe there are many entities, which are all one, i.e. connected to each other spiritually speaking, that’s what I believe the oneness of creation and everything in it, is really all about. I believe this spiritual oneness connection, that many people genuinely experience, has been mis-understood, and most think it means exactly what you wrote above.

And you may well have had other lives etc but IMO you are one spiritual entity, among many different spiritual entities, that are all a part of, and connected to each other; and just like the egg story, we’re all growing throughout those individual lives and experiences. So that’s aspect of the egg story, that I do agree with.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Prophesied according to what? The OT? You do realize the OT prophecies are the main false aspects of the Christian religion right?

But this is where the prophesies regarding who Jesus is, are tied back into that verse in John 7:38…Also, Jesus actually quotes certain prophets of the OT, so there’s a clear connection right there!

I do agree with you however, that certain parts of the OT, have been used or miss-understood, to create false aspects of Standard Christianity.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Your argument relies on prophecies in a book that Jesus implied the devil wrote. Read John 8:44-45 to get the reference. He was talking to the Pharisees, who worshiped Yahweh, the god of the OT.

Check out Valentinus, and his thinking in regards to Jesus and the OT God. Most Gnostic thinkers, believed that the God of the OT was too barbaric and evil, to have any connection with Jesus, and many of them simply rejected most, or all, of the OT. But Valentinus I believe was closer to the truth, than anyone else. He essentially accepted that the God who gave the OT Laws, (The 10 Commandments) is the same God who Jesus represents, partly because Jesus fulfilled the those Laws etc something which incidentally, was prophesied He would do.

Also, I don’t view every part of the OT, as 100% from God, unless there is some understanding that comes along with it. The way I see it, is that the Prophets of the OT although directed by God, on occasion, were also men, who were fallible and corruptible, like all men are. In fact, I only really trust the prophets that Jesus quotes…


In that verse, in John 8:44-45, Jesus says “they are of their father the devil” because they were not following God or his commandments, they were instead following their own ways etc…

They had corrupted Gods commandments and added to them, from the get go, and used their position, power and authority to follow in their own ways, and even did things in the name of God, which were never from God, to begin with IMO. And ironically apologist today, still defend some of the bad things, that God supposedly did.

But Jesus makes a clear connection, to how the God that Abraham believed in, is the same God who He (Jesus) represents, in the verse John 8:56 below…

John 8:55-56
55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

And Jesus also makes the point, to the Pharisees, that their Father was Abraham! The only reason Jesus says they are “of their father the devil”, is simply because they had turned away from their God (they no longer knew him etc), and his true teachings, and were essentially just following their owns ways; traditions made by men.

- JC

reply to post by Rex282

My kindness knows no bounds....#head...

Uh....

אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה

This is what God told Moses he was when asked his name.The most literal translation is "I will be what I will be". It's not a "personal" name because God is not a man.It is Gods nature and a proclamation of existence.

Names are the nature of the thing named.God wasn't saying this is what you call me. God was saying this is what I am.As in everything this name also and fore mostly an expression of maths.In Hebrew gematria this name sums to 543.

A²= B²+C²(5²=4²+3²)

A=Phi=1.618033988749895
B=The height(square root of Phi)=1.272019649514069
C= half of the base=1

1.618033988749895²=1²+1.272019649514069²
2.618033988749895²=1+1.618033988749895

The ratio of the height to the base =
1.272019649514069 / 2 = 0.636009824757035

The Great Pyramid of Giza approximate dimensions are

base=755.9 feet
height=480.8 feet

The ratio of the base to the height =
480.8 / 755.9 = 0.636062971292499

Patently amazing. The reason I jumped straight to pyramidal correlations is because...I don't suppose you've ever seen Nassim Haramein's videos? He makes a compelling argument for the Tetragrammaton:



Which, as shown above, is the ancient Hebrew depiction of the holy name of God.



The good stuff starts at 30 minutes in.

www.inner.org...

en.wikipedia.org...(number)

The first link describes the number 4 in relation to God, and the second link explains how the number 4 features prominently and significantly in almost ANY religion or philosophy.

I won't tell you what to think, but I will tell you that it makes for some fascinating perusal.

adjensen

Um... Christianity teaches that Jesus IS God, incarnate. He's not "just some guy", he's God, living here in the flesh.

Kinda surprised you would have missed that, it's kind of central to the whole thing.

Perhaps Christianity does teach this. Some forms of "Christianity" do, at least. However, Christ himself did NOT teach this!!!!.


Christ called himself the son of god. In fact, Christ did not even teach that he was the "only" son of god (it was "John" who said that-- not Jesus.) Christ taught that we are all sons of god. That is why he taught us to pray, beginning:


"OUR father....."



Christs's means to salvation is how he taught us to behave. Or how he taught us to "walk with (like) him," as other posters have suggested.



I think Christ as "God Incarnate" was a later addition , for the purposes of aligning the purely Jewish / Christian Jesus, with other mythological "dying god" figures. Or perhaps for some other reason. But it's certainly not a part of Christ's teaching. And I'd think if he were god, he would have proclaimed it. Christ was god, like we are all god. The difference is, Christ recognized himself, as a part of the divine (but not "the" divine, aka "the only divine thing") whereas we do not. I think Christ was intended as an example of what we can all achieve. In fact, quite unlike the "Christ is god incarnate" belief, Christ did actually teach that we can all do what he did.

So IMHO my views are far more aligned with what Jesus actually taught, than what most people accept as "Christianity" which comes from the opinions and words of mere men-- men far less spiritually advanced than The Christ.

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Consistency regarding his nature is a real issue in the Bible. Kinda makes it look as though several people trying to imply several things all contributed to it. But that can't be possible, can it?

FYI: that was sarcasm, for the uninitiated. Get used to it.

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"For he lives with you and will be in you", implying the Spirit of truth is already with us, only when we realize it do we "receive" it, meaning you will receive understanding of what was already living within you.

If the Spirit only lives with us when we "receive" (or begin to understand) him, Jesus wouldn't have used the present tense in that instance, he would have used future tense like "he will live with you", implying something that has yet to happen.

I hate to leave such a short reply, but I am a bit busy right now, I will answer the rest later. I read all of both of your comments and have a slightly different understanding to all of the verses you cited. I will reply a bit later, maybe tomorrow.

reply to post by iwilliam


According to scripture, he never denied being God or corrected anyone who made mention of it, implied or otherwise. I can't imagine what else that would mean. He was quick enough to correct everything else, so if he wasn't God incarnate, he would have gotten right on that misunderstanding as well.

Since he didn't...well, that can only mean it wasn't a misunderstanding.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Yes you told me of him a few months ago even though I already knew.I watched this video and will comment on it later.

reply to post by Rex282


My point in mentioning it was simply...connecting the dots.

AfterInfinity
reply to post by iwilliam

 

According to scripture, he never denied being God or corrected anyone who made mention of it, implied or otherwise. I can't imagine what else that would mean. He was quick enough to correct everything else, so if he wasn't God incarnate, he would have gotten right on that misunderstanding as well.

Since he didn't...well, that can only mean it wasn't a misunderstanding.

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Yes ....That is what is written in the scriptures.If the gospel writers were being deceptive they would have trumped it up and had Yahoshua claiming he was The Son Of God all the time but they didn't.However that is not the proof.

The fact is there is no proof that Yahoshua is the Son of God and never will be.By the records of the NT there are miles high mountains of evidence of what is written but that isn't proof...as it should be.With mans advanced scientific knowledge there is no solid proof that we even exist!!Einstein believed the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one.So much for being smart.

So many (i.e...all) of theory's about Yahoshua are false(even when they contain truths).They are all based in belief and the core of belief is not knowing.He assuredly was not a religious teacher showing mankind the way to the higher dimension of blah blah blah...B.S.

I know that billions of people believe billions of variations of those fantasies however none of it is the Truth.The closest the cartoon character of Jesus is to God is a esoteric philosophy hippie who needs a haircut and shave.Personally I think that is a brilliant plan by God!Most religious people thinks God needs to beg for them to "believe" in him like a bum on the corner needs a quarter for a beer.

The reality is God is the one that is blinding them to that knowledge!!The scriptures are purposefully esoteric and "unbelievable and their origin and veracity in doubt.Gods purpose isn't for mankind to know God through a book by "studying".As Jack says "Truth..you can't handle the Truth.

Mankind is no more able to comprehend God as the feral cat who lives in my backyard could understand Quantum physics(and believe me I tried!!)fortunately God is much wiser than me and doesn't waste his time doing futile acts.If and when God wants mankind to know God they will know...and it won't be because of studying a book..or raising their "christ consciousness or any of that foolishness.

Mans concept of God is so infantile it's not even in the same universe of existence.The religious carnal mind of man has literally made a monkey out of God.Their errand boy,wish granter.The God that failed because man fell from grace and satan is kicking his ass...it is almost a joke...a very bad joke. Fortunately for mankind anything they can conceive of God is not true at all.It will make for a much more "surprise ending to it all. ...dream on...

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Actually the biggest claim is that Christianity invented a born son of a God, while most other religions just have prophets that believe a God talks to them.

Only in the mind of the human brain can this type of ideas can be concocted.

We are after all a species with very hyperactive imagination, that borders with schizophrenia, we should be working together to make a better world but here we are debating religion and who's believes are better than who and wagging wars at the same time.

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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
"For he lives with you and will be in you", implying the Spirit of truth is already with us, only when we realize it do we "receive" it, meaning you will receive understanding of what was already living within you.

If the Spirit only lives with us when we "receive" (or begin to understand) him, Jesus wouldn't have used the present tense in that instance, he would have used future tense like "he will live with you", implying something that has yet to happen.

When Jesus said “For He lives with you”, He was referring to himself and his own Spirit, being present with the disciples, but not just his own spirit but the Fathers as well. And the reason this is so, is because of the next line in that paragraph “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.” Which makes a subtle reference, to the fact that Jesus is somehow a part of this Holy Spirit, which is to be received. And like I highlighted in my previous post, this same truth runs through following verses John 16:7, John 14:23, John 14:18 and John 8:37 and ultimately John 14:20!. All those verses or written in the context of the receiving, of the Holy Spirit.

John 16:7
7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you

Think about it, Jesus has to go, before this Spirit can come…why do you think that is…?

Please understand, this is just a rhetorical question, to help get you thinking, about the overall picture of those verses…

John 14:17-18
17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

And Jesus uses the phrase “will be in you”, which implies it’s not in them yet. Which in turn, means that the first part of that sentence, “for He lives with you”, has to be Jesus referring, to himself, and his own Spirit, being present with the disciples. Which completely ties in, with the rest of the verses I highlighted, where Jesus is saying, it is “Him who will come to us”, “I will send him to you”, “He will not leave us as orphans” and “I will come to you” etc…


And just too add - I think the Spirit of life/Conciouness which God breathed into all life, and is something which we all have, is not the same thing, as the Holy Spirit IMO…

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I hate to leave such a short reply, but I am a bit busy right now, I will answer the rest later. I read all of both of your comments and have a slightly different understanding to all of the verses you cited. I will reply a bit later, maybe tomorrow.

That’s ok… I can see that your standing up for the truth on another thread, so take all the time you need….there’s no rush…


- JC

reply to post by Rex282

The fact is there is no proof that Yahoshua is the Son of God and never will be.By the records of the NT there are miles high mountains of evidence of what is written but that isn't proof...as it should be.With mans advanced scientific knowledge there is no solid proof that we even exist!!Einstein believed the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one.So much for being smart.

This is why we have religion. Man is not yet emotionally developed to the point that we can accept such a reality without losing our minds. Me? I don't give two craps on a hotplate whether I was made for a purpose or not. I exist to make myself happy. And part of being human necessitates that I make others happy in the process. This is what separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom, and what separates some humans from the rest of our species.

I will live, and then I will die. There's no point to whining about it or trying to invent some cockamamie story to validate my existence and whatever theories I choose to explain it away with. I will die and I will be forgotten. So I may as well enjoy the ride while I'm on it.

windword

That's what Pauline Christianity teaches, but it's not what Jesus said or taught.

Christianity is just a fancy remake of the old solar worship religions, of a constantly dying and resurrecting "sun god", that conquers and saves us from the darkness upon it's victorious rise every morning!

Christianity is unique in that it created a "hell" for its sun god, Jesus, to save us from.

You and I don't often agree, but on this we do. Present day Christianity does not represent what Yeshua taught, lived out as an example or what the early "church" did. Thus, it does not represent the truth of Yeshua ha Mashiach, but a changed version of him, and because it happened so long ago (326 A.D. Council of Nicea) we do not have a clue unless we actually read the scriptures (OT and HIS disciples words, not the johnny come lately who cared not for Jesus words or teachings that being Paul / Saul Pharisee supposedly called by Jesus despite Jesus saying if anyone claims to have seen me after I leave is a liar).

So, in the end Jesus is truth, his way is salvation, many are called but few are chosen for they prefer the broad way that leads to destruction all while believing they are serving him, and in the end he says, "Get away from me you workers of sin, I never knew you!"

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So, in the end Jesus is truth, his way is salvation, many are called but few are chosen for they prefer the broad way that leads to destruction all while believing they are serving him, and in the end he says, "Get away from me you workers of sin, I never knew you!"

At which point God looks down and say, "Heh. I remember writing that scene. Those poor idiots never saw it coming. How could they? I wrote 'The End' before their great grandparents were born."