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TruthLover557
Of course there are astrological parallels! God is the creator of all that we know. His handy work is everywhere and in everything he created. The sun rises and sets because he made it so. God sent his son so that we might believe. Finding parallels in nature is recognizing the creator.
Thanks for the reply. This is what I was thinking as well.
It's not the Christian idea we fell from God due to a selfish nature. It was disobedience, not selfishness.
Obey God, believe Satan. That's a choice. They made the wrong one. You are supposed to be grateful that God gave you a way out of "slavery" despite you causing the problem yourself.
Tucket
reply to post by badgerprints
We separated from God in the beginning right? Was this because of a selfish nature before we encountered Satan? Or was our selfishness stimulated by Satan.
Yes we decide who we want to be. I consider myself a good person. Do unto others.. But thoughts run through my head that don't coincide with Jesus. Jesus says something about even thinking about adultery is sin..
You say God let Satan in and that was it, but you skip the most pertinent part. They listened to him and believed him when he said "ye shall not surely die".
Yes you are supposed to be entirely obedient. However God clearly understands that you can't. If one could Christ's sacrifice would have been unnecessary. If it were possible for an individual to personally defeat sin, God would require you to do so. It's not possible and thus Christ was provided as the eternal sacrifice for the remission of sin.
Because of God's grace the choice that one faces, which holds bearing on the fate one's soul is no longer between obedience and disobedience (although as Paul stated a true Christian strives towards perfect obedience) but rather between accepting Christ or not. For this you are meant to be grateful and to him you are meant to be faithful.
Tucket
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
These are the thoughts I deal with as I try to believe in Jesus. I wouldn't expect you to understand.
my "sun is the son" comment wasn't meant to be taken literally. I'm looking for feedback about the parallels and symbolotry involved.
I am not in opposition to the idea that God desired to test the mettle of his creation.
I don't however see how that test ensured failure. At that point faith was not necessary. God's existence and his position as creator was intimately known and was undisputed.
With this knowledge they were commanded not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. With this knowledge the choice to believe the serpent was a willful act of disobedience and was therefore a sin.
Our condemnation is a result of our choices not our nature. In fact it is our fallen nature which motivated God to provide a way to overcome sin that was not susceptible to our fallen nature.
No you don't deserve any more help than anyone else. That is why it's called grace because redemption is offered despite our undeserving nature and despite are continual failure to obey his commands.
We all forge our own fate
Tucket
The Christian idea that we fell away from god out of our own selfish nature bothers me. To me it seems like we were just handed over to Satan to be his play things. Most people aren't even given a chance. We are fed lie after lie, poison after poison without having a clue of what's really going on. Vaccines anyone? How is it that its our fault that we are so evil in our nature? Humanity was tricked and programmed to the core with Satan's software from the start. In the beginning we were innocent, then God let Satan in and that was it. Like we had a choice? Or chance? And we are supposed to be faithful, grateful, and obedient in spite off the fact that we are born into a life of slavery?
Another thing that's difficult about following Christ is of course the conspiracy surrounding him. The dogma of Christ appears to be entirely based on astrology. Is it just a parallel that compliments both sides? How does a Christian deal with knowing this?
Any Christians out there care to comment?