reply to post by Tucket
Your view is so far off that it will probably be difficult for you to grasp at first. The following will sound completely alien to what you have
Jesus is the image of the Father. If you think of your mental images as symbols then you can understand how they are words because symbols are words
and words are symbols. That is, your mental images are symbols of your concepts. Think of it like the body, or the embodiment, of a concept creates an
image, body, structure, form, image of light, Word, etc. That's what Jesus is. He is the light of the images, the body of the images, the structure
of form, etc. He is the image, and within him, we were created.
The Father is the thinker. He is the creator of concepts. He is the awareness that sees and thinks. He is consciousness or mind. He is the one who
creates the order. He is the imager and Jesus, and all that exists, is his image.
The Holy Spirit is the will, or energy, or motion which allows the imager to image. He is the will of all that manifests actions or movements. When
you see anything say spirit in the Bible, it means manifested will. It is your desire made manifest. It is the energy which allows for the potential
to be. It is ability and causality.
Now take the Trinity mind, will, and body and put them each into a body. Father is embodied as Yahweh - he is mind. Son is embodied as Jesus - he is
body. Holy Spirit is embodied as many things - he is will.
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and
over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
It is saying in our image and in our likeness. Most people confuse this to mean image and likeness is the same thing. Where image is thought to be a
likeness. As if it is reiterating the same thing, but it is not. It means in our image (Jesus) and in our likeness (the Trinity).
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or
principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
The image is the Son. All things were made in him. In image.
And then there are many more verses throughout the bible saying Jesus is the body and the Word and the Son, etc. It's all saying the same thing. He
is the structure or form of reality.
He is not astrology. He is the stars and the moons and the planets and everything. If there is structure to it - it is Jesus.
As for TPTB taking over will. Well yes and no. Yes in the same sense that you are trying to take over our will by having us think your concepts. It's
basically [good] concept (re)production. Where [good] is just your concept of what is good or right...
When you become aware of something you will create a [good] concept for it. Your version of what is right or [good]. It could be that the thing itself
is viewed as [bad] but you will not accept a [bad] concept of it. No one tries to produce bad, they're trying to reproduce their version of
good/right. TPTB are trying to do their version of [good] but it turns out to be unjust so it is [bad].
Everything is a lot simpler than we imagine. We are just confused because we have no faith. If you have faith in God and just ask - he'll tell you if
it is good for you to know.
Think of it like this:
The whole astrological nonsense is from people making images of their concepts, and then others coming along and making more images of those
images/concepts, and so on and so forth.
And TPTB try to make your will/concepts be their will/concepts, just as everyone does to each other every time they converse, but really, will can
only be given - but that is not to say everyone is infallible, cause they're not - everyone's will can be broken or easily manipulated if they give
over their will to the situation.
If you cannot understand parts of this post, ask and I'll try to rephrase it, or expand upon it. I know it is likely a completely different
perspective than what you are familiar, as I focus on the concepts, rather than the images themselves.