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Why do Liberals think Libertarians are conservatives?

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posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 09:40 PM
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Why do Liberals think Libertarians are conservatives?

Conservatives are pro-statism(somewhat limited statism).
Libertarians are anti-statism.(for the smallest amount of statism achievable)

I just don't understand why the big-state leftists tend to lump conservatives and libertarians together.




posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 09:43 PM
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Liberals aren't liberal. It's complete double speak. The ultimate misnomer.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 09:45 PM
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For the same reason that conservatives think socialists are democrats.

If you're talking about statism exclusively though, there are liberal anarchists.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 09:45 PM
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The focus of the so called "Libertarians" have been taken over by a small elite group who uses the government to get rich under the guise of small government.

They tend not to care about the social freedom that's supposed to be part of the Libertarian party.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 09:45 PM
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I've wondered this myself. Most of the Libertarians I've met call themselves 'conservative' but their views range anywhere from flying a Confederate flag to anarchists, to some highly convoluted and argumentative POVs that for the life of me I can't fathom and only want to avoid next time.

I once had a Libertarian tell me he hid his political views when he first met women, otherwise he'd 'never get laid'.

In his case, this seemed like a wise choice, if a tad dishonest.




posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 09:45 PM
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I often wonder this too...and I have come to the conclusion that it is because we criticize democrats and they can't take that so they assume we are conservatives.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 09:47 PM
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Well thats just not true of any of the Libertarians I know, we are all extremely socially liberal.
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posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 09:47 PM
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Most Libertarians are what I would call "Denialcans" they're in denial and don't want to accept that they are really just Republicans in disguise.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 09:48 PM
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MsAphrodite
Liberals aren't liberal. It's complete double speak. The ultimate misnomer.


Errr; could you please define what *you* think a liberal is, then? I'm truly curious since the word is bandied about so much, I'm beginning to think all these labels mean something different to everyone who is using them.

Don't worry about insulting me, I'm rapidly becoming a closet Anarchist, mostly out of cowardice and age, myself.


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posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 09:48 PM
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What?

Libertarianism is the most conservative you can get.

The problem is that you think that today's GOP Conservative is an actual conservative. They aren't, they are just dressed up liberals.

It's a liberal idea to invade people's lives, create PC laws and inflict large government on people.

Originally conservatives followed the mantra of small government, no taxation without representation and fairness, and the right to be left the hell alone as long as you weren't infringing on the rights of others.

Don't get confused. The Globalists want you to think that those two groups, liberal and conservative are different, but really they've been the same for a very long time. It's part of double think in the 21st century.

It's pretty damn effective.

~Tenth



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 09:49 PM
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the Progressives are very very good at stealing words with a good connotation and applying it to themselves. "Classic Liberalism" is one such word. Justice, Sustainability and Environmentalism are others that have been twisted beyond recognition.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 09:49 PM
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There are a lot of pseudo-libertarians who use that sort of language when it suits but who are really conservative Republicans.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 09:51 PM
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True Liberals- Classical liberalism is a political philosophy and ideology belonging to liberalism in which primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government. The philosophy emerged as a response to the Industrial Revolution and urbanization in the 19th century in Europe and the United States.[1] It advocates civil liberties with a limited government under the rule of law, private property, and belief in laissez-faire economic policy.[2][2][3][3][4][4] Classical liberalism is built on ideas that had already arisen by the end of the 18th century, such as selected ideas of Adam Smith, John Locke, Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Malthus, and David Ricardo. It drew on a psychological understanding of individual liberty, the contradictory theories of natural law and utilitarianism, and a belief in progress.[5] Classical liberals were more suspicious than conservatives of all but the most minimal government[6] and, adopting Thomas Hobbes's theory of government, they believed government had been created by individuals to protect themselves from one another.[7]Clasical Liberalism

Modern Liberals- Modern American liberalism combines social liberalism with support for social justice and a mixed economy. As part of "modernizing," it has become what many call "neoliberalism," the equivalent of the "Third Way" in the United Kingdom. American liberal causes include voting rights for African Americans, abortion rights for women, gay rights and government programs such as education and health care.[1] It has its roots in Theodore Roosevelt's New Nationalism, Woodrow Wilson's New Freedom, Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal, Harry S. Truman's Fair Deal, John F. Kennedy's New Frontier, and Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society. Conservatives oppose liberals on most issues; the relationship between liberal and progressive is debated.[2][3][4][5][6][7]

Keynesian economic theory has played a central role in the economic philosophy of modern American liberals.[8] The argument has been that national prosperity requires government management of the macroeconomy, to keep unemployment low, inflation in check, and growth high.[8]Modern liberalism in the United States


Classical Liberals were BAs, and didn't take nothing from nobody.
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posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 09:54 PM
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That is a good point as well, Libertarians are Physically conservative, socially liberal and non-interventionists.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 09:55 PM
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Conservatives usually maintain a strong belief in protecting the Bill of Rights.

The Bill of Rights is a Libertarian document---guaranteeing those rights which the Gov't may not take away.

Of course with the Statists, "liberals", Democrats, Socialists, and Communists wanting to have state control of everything--property, income, schooling, jobs, commerce, medical care--the Bill of Rights is passe'.
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posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 09:56 PM
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Spend a little time researching. Look up: Classical Liberalism, Neo Liberalism, Social Liberalism etc.



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 10:11 PM
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Libertarian ideology has been co-opted by the GOP, just as the term Liberal has been co-opted by the Progressive movement. Liberal was co-opted by the Progressive democrats around the time of FDR and the New Deal.

It's the same as the Progressives supporting the Occupy Movement and the GOP trying to absorb the TEA Party.

It's nothing more than both factions trying to hold on to the phony left/right paradigm by absorbing and then corrupting any other options/party that finds support among the American populace. And, they are very good at using the media to help them accomplish this, through the manipulation of public opinion.

True "liberals" should actually be Libertarian . . . after all the ideals both stem from Classical Liberalism, which started way back with the writings of John Locke. The only nation in the world where these ideals have been warped is the U.S. . . . this conflation is not a problem in any other country and why those in other countries will show support for one party or another (in the U.S.) based on their understanding of the labels.

Libertarians are socially liberal and financially conservative, based upon the philosophy of small government.

Liberalism wiki for more in-depth description:
Liberalism wiki

It's a double-speak meant for no other reason than to fool the American public into siding with one of the parties. Both parties are Collectivist in nature . . . Statists. Liberalism/Libertarians are Individualist in nature . . . and our government can't control a population of Individualist.

Unfortunately, many fed up Republicans have been drawn to the ideals of Libertarian ideology, yet hold onto their socially conservative beliefs. This is why a lot of Progressives (populace, not politicians) have no problem think Libertarians are conservative.

The psy-op has worked very well.

I've had this conversation with many on this board, but too many are blinded by the media manipulation and don't research things for themselves. I've been a Libertarian since the late 70's, it's how I was raised. Until recent years, whenever I told someone I was a Libertarian, nobody knew what that meant and when I explained it they said "oh, so you are liberal" . . . now people automatically assume I'm a conservative. The general populace of this country only knows (and parrots) what they see/hear in the media.
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posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 10:12 PM
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You see, we all belong to a group called "Us" and we dislike the "Thems" because they are not like "Us"

Them's are simply anti-us so they obviously can't be we.

Of course "Thems" claim to be the we but obviously are the total opposite of the we.

"Us" don't need "thems" to tell we who to be.

See?



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 10:14 PM
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Tusks
Conservatives usually maintain a strong belief in protecting the Bill of Rights.

The Bill of Rights is a Libertarian document---guaranteeing those rights which the Gov't may not take away.

Of course with the Statists, "liberals", Democrats, Socialists, and Communists wanting to have state control of everything--property, income, schooling, jobs, commerce, medical care--the Bill of Rights is passe'.
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This isn't true past the last couple of decades . . . It's a rather new stance for "conservatives". They only back those items in the BOR that fell inline with their moral conservative outlook. The GOP's stance today is just more double-speak . . . just like the Progressives who co-opted the label of "liberal".



posted on Oct, 10 2013 @ 10:16 PM
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I am sorry the leftist statists have hijacked the term liberal but I have to use that label to get the point across.

Yeh...





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