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ElohimJD
reply to post by AlienScience
" I am willing to negotiate on a budget, if the debt ceiling is raised without strings attached." - Obama
"Here is a debt ceiling increase to buy us 6 weeks time to negotiate on a budget with no strings attached" - GOP
"I reject this proposal" - Obama
Who is holding who hostage?
God Bless,
MrSinister
Madness is keep doing something that doesn`t work.
Flatfish
Do you have an official source for that first quote? The reason I ask is because I think you just pulled it out of your ass. President Obama has not said he would negotiate over the budget, at least not until the government shutdown was ended.
In fact he has repeatedly stated just the opposite. What he said was that he would NOT negotiate over the budget or the debt limit until the shutdown was ended, at which time he'd be happy to discuss and/or negotiate any topic on the GOP's mind.
You can't just keep making stuff up like that, man can't survive on ignorance alone.
President Obama willing to negotiate if debt ceiling, CR resolutions are passed
Published on October 10, 2013 by Sarah Jackson
Barack Obama
President Obama said during a press conference on Tuesday that if Republicans in Congress pass interim debt ceiling and continuing resolution measures, he would be willing to negotiate on healthcare, spending and the deficit.
" I am willing to negotiate on a budget, if the debt ceiling is raised without strings attached." - Obama
President Obama willing to negotiate if debt ceiling, CR resolutions are passed
ElohimJD
MrSinister
Madness is keep doing something that doesn`t work.
Like raising the debt limit, without spending cuts, when it is unsustainable.
The debt ceiling has to be raised, the "fiscal responsibility" practiced as spending cuts at that level, would tank the economy. Spending cuts in the military and surveillance budgets would be welcome though. If they won`t increase revenue by raising taxes, what`s the alternative? Trickle-down economy does not work.
Using trigger words like "zealout" (religious term) when describing a right wing fiscal responsible platform (not religious; although conservative), indicates the MSM has effectively engineered your thinking for you.
I was referring to the Tea-Party, case in point Michelle Bachman and that is just one. I confess to being secular, mea culpa. I`ve come to this conclusion by myself.
Republican = values FREEDOM at the expense of EQUALITY.
Democrate = values EQUALITY at the expense of FREEDOM.
That is the only difference in idealology. Both factors are needed and valuable. How far right or left one places themselves is how much of one area they desire at the greater degree of expense regarding the opposition.
This is where our roads part.
Don't be a pawn, think logically.
Contradict much?
How would you address you personal home budget?
How would you be fiscally responsible for maxed out credit in your home?
You cannot compare a nation to a household in economic terms. It is a poor trope.
Stop allowing the MSM to tell you how to think and which words to apply to which demographic, if you do you'll end up drawing racist, sterotypical pictures of religious zealout hillbillies claiming Obama is the anti-christ and labeling 100 million American citizen as such...
You actually summed it up pretty neatly, well done. Judging by this ongoing debacle with the shutdown and debt-ceiling, the far-right is acting irrational, immature and in contempt of proper democratic processes.
God Bless,edit on 11-10-2013 by ElohimJD because: (no reason given)
Shdak
Why are other poll results in favor of The Great Obama, but when you get to an honest poll it show the opposite is true!
Flatfish
Furthermore, you may want to make note of the fact that the statements you refer to are not indicated as being quotes from the President. Read the article, the author used quotation marks when quoting the President and those two statements were not marked as such.
Come On! Either it was ignorance or it was a purposeful attempt on your part to paint the President as a liar when nothing could be further from the truth.
Just like I stated, the President said he would be willing to negotiate anything "once the government shutdown was ended." Passing the CR resolution means re-opening the government.
I didn't mean to offend you with my harsh response to your post, but the propagation of misinformation by right-wingers here on ATS has risen to new heights and it's sickening. It's one thing to dislike the President, it's quite another to fictitiously portray him as a liar by deliberately misquoting him.
May God bless you too.edit on 11-10-2013 by Flatfish because: (no reason given)
Shdak
I have never been big on polls, but for kicks I completed one on Friday that required an email verification before the vote would count, interesting results.
Why are other poll results in favor of The Great Obama, but when you get to an honest poll it show the opposite is true! Just got the result back from Fridays national poll... here are the results, I hear the people and from my point of view, glad to see results like this poll showed.
and as to the poster here, yep I do get the feeling of back peddling, but I don't think its necessary to shutdown government so long as they are negotiating on a long term solution to the budget issues.
ElohimJD
Very fair retort.
My oringial post was paraphrasing in my own words what I had read earlier, thus no source linked and it was written very susinctly (I also had no direct quote from the GOP in my paraphrasing either).
You are also correct in my attempt to find the source of what I read a while ago it did not include direct quotes from Obama, as such there is the potential for misquoting and misportraying Obama.
I am not right wing, but that is irrelavent to your retort.
You are correct though, I should have taken more time to produce a more accurate paraphrase to aviod painting Obama in a less flattering light then those on this site want him painted.
Thank you for the blessing.
MrSinister
To add. Check out he definition and origin of the term zealotry. You`d be hard pressed to find a more apt description of the tea-party IMO
edit on 11-10-2013 by MrSinister because: (no reason given)
AlienScience
Krazysh0t
You know what else is interesting? That you believe that continually raising the debt ceiling is a viable solution to fixing our economy.
No, what is interesting is that you think our economy needs to be "fixed".
The debt ceiling is an antiquated law that should have been repealed a long time ago. It does absolutely nothing to stop our debt from accumulating. If they wanted to do that, the law would have to be applied to laws being passed...not after the fact when the money is already spent. All the debt ceiling does is put our economy and credit rating in jeopardy because it allows idiots to attempt to use it as a bargaining tool.
Our debt ratio is not a problem, which is why we are still considered the worlds economic powerhouse and why people still want to buy our debt. The only real problem is that the GOP has sold this idea to the, not very intelligent, American public that "big numbers = bad". You never hear them talk about the debt ratio to the GDP or our Wealth...only about how "big the debt is".
Answer me something...if someone who is making 15k a year has 500k in debt, would you say that is a bad thing? How about if someone who is making 10 million a year has 500k in debt, would you say that is a bad thing?
Do you see the difference?
Our debt ratio is not a problem, which is why we are still considered the worlds economic powerhouse