Boehner prepares to let the US default

The US has the ability to pay the debt if the ceiling isn't raised.

What would happen, though, is that our petulant-pouting-petty-president would "make it hurt" and punish the American people for not obeying him.

kdyam

NotAnAspie

Happy1
reply to post by NotAnAspie

 

You people refuse to get it - The US is overwith - we've been sold down the river - by both dems and repubs - the only difference is in your own tiny minds, or you're just stupid.

We are going third world america here - they are going to steal everything you think you're entitled to away from you.

It's all gone.

Ummm... Your reply kinda suggests that you did not comprehend any part of what I said because I know the US is crashing. That is exactly what my post was about. My point is that war is not going to fix it (despite what some think) but that is what the gop wants. Obama has been along for the ride on part of that which is very discouraging... however, I think there are some even among them that see it isn't going to work and are second guessing the war plot and thinking about better foreign relations instead. We've sold ourselves too short by too much meddling. War isn't going to fix it... We are better off concentrating on good relations and not the military kind. If we scale back meddling, this will drastically cut the budget. Is that too hard to understand? Then, this would give an opportunity to shore up our own defenses, take care of our own people and make better future foreign deals so that we can still operate as our own free country.

If the gop leads us into large global war that we don't win.... you can kiss that freedom goodbye.

The one's who are most afraid of losing the big US status and are afraid of influence from other leaderships are the same ones willing to gamble it ALL. Throw the whole country on the table and put us all at risk. Genius. Real patriots there.

I'm not sure what is complicated about that... but I'm FULLY aware the US is spread too thin.

You can't see that in my post? Do you have a comprehension problem?

I have no idea what part of that you misunderstood.

I couldn't see it through the fog of your speculation and pure opinion. Please, continue to spread your "ideas" like butter on the doom porn sandwich you seem so eager to make. Oh.. and dont forget to belittle those of us who dont agree with you... that would be careless.. almost as careless as the entitlements and rampant spending Obama has passed to get us where we are today.

How are you even arguing with me if you can't even be clear on what it is you are arguing against?

SO... since I know how to read between the lines I assume that what you are saying is that you are totally comfortable with the part of the rampant spending that is unnecessary and is not even part of the debt.

Is someone coming after your cake? Is a big bad terrorist coming after your piggy bank?

I never once said that spending was not rampant, but that the defense budget is the part that will not be budged... no matter who it hurts. I guess you're cool with that... so go hold up somebody's granny and buy a gun if that makes you feel safe because I don't know what you are bitching about.

You accuse me of doom porn when you are promoting the idea that all is lost because of entitlement and reckless spending. And I'm saying that entitlement would not be as big of a problem if it were not for inflation and the predatory real estate market and general greed... as well as MUCH reckless defense spending.

Then you act like you are arguing with a post that you couldn't read? Brilliant. That's a good use of time.

Go waste somebody else's time unless you have the courage to spit out your real point... or can at least organize it in your own mind.

I think I get it... you got commie fears and think the solution is to starve people or something as if that even makes any sense seeing as how that will cause only more problems. If you want to argue, make a damn argument or something because you are just displaying "I'M MAD... WE SPENT TOO MUCH MONEY AND I'M MAD"

I also think they spent too much money. What is your point?

beezzer
The US has the ability to pay the debt if the ceiling isn't raised.

What would happen, though, is that our petulant-pouting-petty-president would "make it hurt" and punish the American people for not obeying him.

and your ideas since the treasury has indeed put a deadline on it?

that's not rhetorical. Let's hear your preferred solution.

NotAnAspie

beezzer
The US has the ability to pay the debt if the ceiling isn't raised.

What would happen, though, is that our petulant-pouting-petty-president would "make it hurt" and punish the American people for not obeying him.

and your ideas since the treasury has indeed put a deadline on it?

that's not rhetorical. Let's hear your preferred solution.

Solutions?

Prioritise spending.
Work within a budget.
No new entitlement spending.
Bring home everyone in Afghanistan.
No more multi-billion dollar foreign aid packets.
Disband the department of education, turn it over to state levels.
Stop implementation of Obamacare.
Stop funding to the "arts".
Cancel funding to PBS, NPR.
Create a heavy import tax on foreign goods and bring back manufacturing to the US.
Drill for oil in the US, stop buying foreign oil.
No amnesty for illegal immigrants.

. . . . just off the top of my head. . .

darkbake
reply to post by TucoTheRat

 

You are correct, Tuco. How many Americans are really ready to live in a third world country? All of this political talk and everything, how many know what they are getting themselves into?

Many Americans I have met don't know much about being happy, and are entirely dependent on money and materialism. Look at all of the Republicans mocking the poor - yet they have a high potential to become poor themselves in less than a month or two.

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Don't worry about it. Do not fear it!

That's why they have 80% of the country by the balls, because everyone is scared poopless of becoming a country who's currency has been devalued like it's the damn end of the world. It's not.

The dollar is going to get pounded no matter what, everyone knows the game now. The illusion of power behind the dollar is revealed and just like any magic trick, once you know how they did it, it sucks after that.

The real danger is how these guys in office are destroying any rights you have, and are totally on a rampage plundering and pillaging any and everyone. That what you guys should be focused on.

But don't fear these punks, Your State reps are the key, Ask for permits for an underground economy like neighborhood wide swap-meets on every week end. Things like that.

Ask yourselves "how do people in Mexico live? How do they make a living?". Down hear people open food stores in their own homes lol. You walk into someone's living room and buy food hahaha. Every weekend we have swap meets that go on for miles in all different parts of the city. People offer door to door services from anything like knife sharpening to cleaning. People down here sing on a bus all the time culturally! Clowns roam our public transportation with some stand up that will make you crap your pants hahaha!

I'm not saying Americans should do this but I'm trying to help you guys see that it's not the end of the world. It's a hard life, but it can be an honest and profitable. Americans are ingenious and I'm sure you guys can come up with some great forms of your own economy that will benefit all!

Live free guys n gals! Don't let these rats scar and manipulate you. Give what is of Rome to the Romans and be fearless in your hearts, make your own lives, your own economies and fight for the right to be able to do it!

And to all those Republicans and Democrats out there....
This was your butt hole ----->(o)
But now it's a little bigger------->(O)

I guess you guys want to see how far the bugger can stretch before you scream uncle eh?

SO...DO...I




The Rat.

Edit to add: Oh and BTW to all those Republicans and Democrats, just to let you know, This was your butt hole before you became a Republican or Democrat------->(.)

beezzer

NotAnAspie

beezzer
The US has the ability to pay the debt if the ceiling isn't raised.

What would happen, though, is that our petulant-pouting-petty-president would "make it hurt" and punish the American people for not obeying him.

and your ideas since the treasury has indeed put a deadline on it?

that's not rhetorical. Let's hear your preferred solution.

Solutions?

Prioritise spending.
Work within a budget.
No new entitlement spending.
Bring home everyone in Afghanistan.
No more multi-billion dollar foreign aid packets.
Disband the department of education, turn it over to state levels.
Stop implementation of Obamacare.
Stop funding to the "arts".
Cancel funding to PBS, NPR.
Create a heavy import tax on foreign goods and bring back manufacturing to the US.
Drill for oil in the US, stop buying foreign oil.
No amnesty for illegal immigrants.

. . . . just off the top of my head. . .

Prioritise spending.....a given
Work within a budget....a given
No new entitlement spending.....fair if effort is made to reduce the creation of entitlement positions which cannot be done under the current laws and policies of this country.
Bring home everyone in Afghanistan.... agreed
No more multi-billion dollar foreign aid packets.... especially not for military reasons.
Disband the department of education, turn it over to state levels.... Hmmm. A lot of funding comes from the federal level but also regulations and we really can't afford to spread the problem of a lack of education. Schools need to be regulated and education shouldn't be sacrificed...so I don't know. I'm not sure what you are exactly envisioning on this one...so... not sure.

Stop implementation of Obamacare.... that ones up for debate and there is not much point in discussing how much money it would save to cut it when we don't even fully fully understand it... but I do think it needs to be scrutinized and made comprehensive to not just the politicians but the people before it is implemented. I still can't even get a page on the heath care. gov site.

Stop funding to the "arts"... I like art, but it's not a necessity to fund.

Cancel funding to PBS, NPR....Interesting suggestion. I'm not sure how much we spend on those but the programming is diversified. Some of it is funded by the public, some by special interests...and if we cut that out... then we would get no more special interest programs.

Create a heavy import tax on foreign goods and bring back manufacturing to the US.... We should bring back manufacturing to the US but I'm not sure if the solution is through taxation. I think that issue is tied to the greater problem of the dueling economies of the world. There is a danger of remaining within our own version of corporate regulation... which does NOT regulate greed very well... obviously, it regulates choices. Look at the automotive industry, for example. They will not stop making gas guzzling cars and will not allow many kinds of cars to be imported that are way more fuel efficient... that's messed up because it's all to support the petrodollar..and is why it needs to fall. We need to embrace ANY kind of green product idea regardless of where it comes from. Regulation pressures should be put on corporate greed in some form... and maybe your idea would be to tax the ones over seas and perhaps that could help but I really think we need to look at broader issue of regulations as well. First off...we've got infrastructure issues and to re industrialize the US would be costly when we are in need of other things. I think that is an issue for the future. I don't think we are ready to do that on all inclusive scale like generalized taxation. We need to focus on other parts of the problem first... and tackle that some time in the future when we have ironed some of these problems out. We cannot afford to re-industrialize he US right now anyway. If we take care of some of the underlying problems in the corporate world, there would be no need for the extra taxation.

Drill for oil in the US, stop buying foreign oil....Screw oil. people will have less debt and spend more when they no longer have light bills to pay and have to fork over butt loads of gas money. We've got an environment to think about.

No amnesty for illegal immigrants....I'm not sure what all you are including but if that includes work visas then you better drop minimum wage for US citizens or the price of food will soar. It's a step, but like the taxation issue, it certainly can't be a primary one.

Here...how about this... Stop funding propaganda?... that could be a part of a pentagon layoff.

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I second your ideas, and just to add, the illusion is money and such individualised self absorbed people who don't understand the concepts of sharing or community. I am a Canadian living in Algeria now, I have learnt a lot here about how life operates with little or no money. The neighbour has turnip growing, and we have spinach growing, so we swap. We have fruit trees and nuts and chickens and cows, we use the earth to make hot plates to make fresh bread from the wheat grown. Guys it takes a little more work to live this lifestyle but now I will never go back to a consumer based only society. Even cities could barter skills in exchange for goods. I think money should end and it may be way too out there for most to think about, but it may become necessary and in the end more fulfilling then most realize, Just my thoughts.

NotAnAspie

kdyam

NotAnAspie

Happy1
reply to post by NotAnAspie

 

You people refuse to get it - The US is overwith - we've been sold down the river - by both dems and repubs - the only difference is in your own tiny minds, or you're just stupid.

We are going third world america here - they are going to steal everything you think you're entitled to away from you.


O
It's all gone.

Ummm... Your reply kinda suggests that you did not comprehend any part of what I said because I know the US is crashing. That is exactly what my post was about. My point is that war is not going to fix it (despite what some think) but that is what the gop wants. Obama has been along for the ride on part of that which is very discouraging... however, I think there are some even among them that see it isn't going to work and are second guessing the war plot and thinking about better foreign relations instead. We've sold ourselves too short by too much meddling. War isn't going to fix it... We are better off concentrating on good relations and not the military kind. If we scale back meddling, this will drastically cut the budget. Is that too hard to understand? Then, this would give an opportunity to shore up our own defenses, take care of our own people and make better future foreign deals so that we can still operate as our own free country.

If the gop leads us into large global war that we don't win.... you can kiss that freedom goodbye.

The one's who are most afraid of losing the big US status and are afraid of influence from other leaderships are the same ones willing to gamble it ALL. Throw the whole country on the table and put us all at risk. Genius. Real patriots there.

I'm not sure what is complicated about that... but I'm FULLY aware the US is spread too thin.

You can't see that in my post? Do you have a comprehension problem?

I have no idea what part of that you misunderstood.

I couldn't see it through the fog of your speculation and pure opinion. Please, continue to spread your "ideas" like butter on the doom porn sandwich you seem so eager to make. Oh.. and dont forget to belittle those of us who dont agree with you... that would be careless.. almost as careless as the entitlements and rampant spending Obama has passed to get us where we are today.

How are you even arguing with me if you can't even be clear on what it is you are arguing against?

SO... since I know how to read between the lines I assume that what you are saying is that you are totally comfortable with the part of the rampant spending that is unnecessary and is not even part of the debt.

Is someone coming after your cake? Is a big bad terrorist coming after your piggy bank?

I never once said that spending was not rampant, but that the defense budget is the part that will not be budged... no matter who it hurts. I guess you're cool with that... so go hold up somebody's granny and buy a gun if that makes you feel safe because I don't know what you are bitching about.

You accuse me of doom porn when you are promoting the idea that all is lost because of entitlement and reckless spending. And I'm saying that entitlement would not be as big of a problem if it were not for inflation and the predatory real estate market and general greed... as well as MUCH reckless defense spending.

Then you act like you are arguing with a post that you couldn't read? Brilliant. That's a good use of time.

Go waste somebody else's time unless you have the courage to spit out your real point... or can at least organize it in your own mind.

I think I get it... you got commie fears and think the solution is to starve people or something as if that even makes any sense seeing as how that will cause only more problems. If you want to argue, make a damn argument or something because you are just displaying "I'M MAD... WE SPENT TOO MUCH MONEY AND I'M MAD"

I also think they spent too much money. What is your point?

Yep... i knew you were going to belittle me since i didn't agree with your opinion. I understood what you were saying maybe you couldnt understand my reply, and then you attack me like you are a person whi is going to have thier food stamps cut off.

Nice! Very nice... you proved my point thank you

The current administration has been working hard since 08 to get to this point. I would not even blame Obama anymore. Poor bastard has to sleep next to that ugly troll every night and that is punishment enough. Can you imagine the bitching from her he has to endure.

The current admin is about blame and not solutions much like doctor now do not cure they treat. Bleed you till you are still sick and then mentally dependant on the drugs you think are keeping you alive.

The republicans should be doing what they are doing. NO MORE SPENDING. It has to stop. It is like having a spouse who keeps spending and spending and spending and you warn them till one day you have no house and no car and no money and what do they say...It is your fault you should have stopped me or worked with me. Now look where we are and they leave. Just like this clown will in 2 years and he has the money and resources to not give a #e about any of us. If you really think he cares one bit about anyone but himself you are sorely mistaken.

The US needs to stop living like a Kardashian on a fast-food workers salary. I honestly say let it ride and let's see what happens. Otherwise, we will be back here in a year....

Everyone is scared to death about the USA's debt.

Maybe we need a refresher course here on ATS, and how money actually comes into existence in the Fiat currency world.

Money comes from nowhere, let me repeat that money comes from nowhere.

"Sweat equity" is the key to keeping all the stupid lemmings working for the man. Every man, woman and child is only worth what they can produce, other than that money is just the illusion we all chase.

The Creature from Jekyll Island, for the wise people that want to be in the know on how everything works financially worldwide.

we're simply not going to spend or grow our way out of this. financial predicament.

much like i've always told the kids growing up,
'it'll take you twice as long, or longer, to climb out of a hole that you've dug yourself into.

and,
You'll Never dig yourself out of a hole. simply not possible.

but,
China. Here we come.

12m8keall2c
we're simply not going to spend or grow our way out of this. financial predicament.

Agreed!

With the people we have at the helm of the ship and TPTB that created the rules to the Monopoly game, the illusion of debt will always loom.

Unfortunately all the money, property, and get out of jail cards were handed out long before anyone else knew the game existed, so chances for the average guy to ever make a decent life, have time to himself, and to spend with his family is almost non-existent.

It's a wonderful way to keep people stressed out and motivated to produce.

On paper China may hold a lot of our debt, but again it's all BS and all Fiat money that never existed in the first place.

There is an old theory that I think applies here. We really all know it, but this government doesn't seem to understand. You have to live and exist on a budget. Regardless if you are talking about money, food, etc...you have to use no more than you collect. If you use more than you collect, you run out of the item. Usually, when an entity is using more than they collect, they trim down on the waste. And there is always waste...you just have to look.

So you either use less, or collect more. To collect more you have to do something. Work longer hours, get a second job, grow more food, etc. You can't simply steal from others nor can you "bleed dry" your only source. And it is irresponsible and frankly wrong to take more, when you have so many areas of waste. But our government doesn't like losing their perks. Jets, cars, flights, security guards, mansions, huge offices, people to wipe their butts, hold their hands, etc. Not even counting the jobs they hand out, and then must protect, that are completely non-essential.

Our government thinks they are god-like, king-like. They see themselves as essential when they are not. They don't think for a moment about taking more from us...but fight like hell not to lose their perks. Sadly, our government is the largest employer in the country...which is just wrong. We don't need all those employees. I'm willing to bet that every dollar collected from the people goes through so many hands, so many departments and so many people...needlessly...that maybe twenty cents actually goes toward the purpose it was collected for. So...weed out the unneeded and increase the power of our taxes. We will pay less, and the government will be funded.

Cut the fat. This government is morbidly obese.

kdyam

NotAnAspie

kdyam

NotAnAspie

Happy1
reply to post by NotAnAspie

 

You people refuse to get it - The US is overwith - we've been sold down the river - by both dems and repubs - the only difference is in your own tiny minds, or you're just stupid.

We are going third world america here - they are going to steal everything you think you're entitled to away from you.


O
It's all gone.

Ummm... Your reply kinda suggests that you did not comprehend any part of what I said because I know the US is crashing. That is exactly what my post was about. My point is that war is not going to fix it (despite what some think) but that is what the gop wants. Obama has been along for the ride on part of that which is very discouraging... however, I think there are some even among them that see it isn't going to work and are second guessing the war plot and thinking about better foreign relations instead. We've sold ourselves too short by too much meddling. War isn't going to fix it... We are better off concentrating on good relations and not the military kind. If we scale back meddling, this will drastically cut the budget. Is that too hard to understand? Then, this would give an opportunity to shore up our own defenses, take care of our own people and make better future foreign deals so that we can still operate as our own free country.

If the gop leads us into large global war that we don't win.... you can kiss that freedom goodbye.

The one's who are most afraid of losing the big US status and are afraid of influence from other leaderships are the same ones willing to gamble it ALL. Throw the whole country on the table and put us all at risk. Genius. Real patriots there.

I'm not sure what is complicated about that... but I'm FULLY aware the US is spread too thin.

You can't see that in my post? Do you have a comprehension problem?

I have no idea what part of that you misunderstood.

I couldn't see it through the fog of your speculation and pure opinion. Please, continue to spread your "ideas" like butter on the doom porn sandwich you seem so eager to make. Oh.. and dont forget to belittle those of us who dont agree with you... that would be careless.. almost as careless as the entitlements and rampant spending Obama has passed to get us where we are today.

How are you even arguing with me if you can't even be clear on what it is you are arguing against?

SO... since I know how to read between the lines I assume that what you are saying is that you are totally comfortable with the part of the rampant spending that is unnecessary and is not even part of the debt.

Is someone coming after your cake? Is a big bad terrorist coming after your piggy bank?

I never once said that spending was not rampant, but that the defense budget is the part that will not be budged... no matter who it hurts. I guess you're cool with that... so go hold up somebody's granny and buy a gun if that makes you feel safe because I don't know what you are bitching about.

You accuse me of doom porn when you are promoting the idea that all is lost because of entitlement and reckless spending. And I'm saying that entitlement would not be as big of a problem if it were not for inflation and the predatory real estate market and general greed... as well as MUCH reckless defense spending.

Then you act like you are arguing with a post that you couldn't read? Brilliant. That's a good use of time.

Go waste somebody else's time unless you have the courage to spit out your real point... or can at least organize it in your own mind.

I think I get it... you got commie fears and think the solution is to starve people or something as if that even makes any sense seeing as how that will cause only more problems. If you want to argue, make a damn argument or something because you are just displaying "I'M MAD... WE SPENT TOO MUCH MONEY AND I'M MAD"

I also think they spent too much money. What is your point?

Yep... i knew you were going to belittle me since i didn't agree with your opinion. I understood what you were saying maybe you couldnt understand my reply, and then you attack me like you are a person whi is going to have thier food stamps cut off.

Nice! Very nice... you proved my point thank you

The problem is that you are not saying anything substantial to even back up your own bickerings...and that is all that it is. It started with YOUR insults and that is all it has amounted to. All I hear you saying is over and over again is how bad government benefits are like we can just shove the needy and elderly into a big oven somewhere and prove over and over again that you are not equipped to even understand the economy in the first place and don't even know what you are talking about if that is all you got on the subject. That's why all you can do is repeat yourself like a parrot and spout childish insults when you didn't agree with MY opinion when I wasn't even talking to you. Well, I can dish it right back at ya sweetheart.

Knock yourself out, child. Keep telling me how angry you are at name on a screen like I upstaged your prom dress or something. You're not saying anything that even makes sense. Are you lost? You just wanted to strike up a conversation with me and have too many negative feelings about yourself to know how to reply to somebody. What the hell do you want, lol. If you don't want me to pick back...well, you shouldn't have started it. Get back to the topic of the economy because I'm not going to help you with your stunted emotional issues.

Of course I will belittle you after the crap you said to me out the blue... Do you need a road map to connect those two dots? You attacked me, darlin.... What does food stamps have to do with it? maybe it was medicaid or something else, maybe I want healthcare. Wouldn't that make more sense if all you think I'm concerned with are personally centered issues..why foodstamps when foodstamps weren't supposed to be effected by any of this significantly according to the news. See, you don't even make sense. You aren't capable of having mature debate about the economy without spouting names as the first thing you say to someone? What are you, 12?

Now buzz off, you are clearly out of your mind and have emotional issues since it is quite clear you just wanted to start arguing with me. It's funny you hate me though.

The government needs more than it's current revenues in order to operate. If we hit the debt ceiling spending isn't going to stop, and the nation isn't going to default. They're simply going to confiscate the money from peoples bank accounts.

NotAnAspie

kdyam

NotAnAspie

kdyam

NotAnAspie

Happy1
reply to post by NotAnAspie

 

You people refuse to get it - The US is overwith - we've been sold down the river - by both dems and repubs - the only difference is in your own tiny minds, or you're just stupid.

We are going third world america here - they are going to steal everything you think you're entitled to away from you.


O
It's all gone.

Ummm... Your reply kinda suggests that you did not comprehend any part of what I said because I know the US is crashing. That is exactly what my post was about. My point is that war is not going to fix it (despite what some think) but that is what the gop wants. Obama has been along for the ride on part of that which is very discouraging... however, I think there are some even among them that see it isn't going to work and are second guessing the war plot and thinking about better foreign relations instead. We've sold ourselves too short by too much meddling. War isn't going to fix it... We are better off concentrating on good relations and not the military kind. If we scale back meddling, this will drastically cut the budget. Is that too hard to understand? Then, this would give an opportunity to shore up our own defenses, take care of our own people and make better future foreign deals so that we can still operate as our own free country.

If the gop leads us into large global war that we don't win.... you can kiss that freedom goodbye.

The one's who are most afraid of losing the big US status and are afraid of influence from other leaderships are the same ones willing to gamble it ALL. Throw the whole country on the table and put us all at risk. Genius. Real patriots there.

I'm not sure what is complicated about that... but I'm FULLY aware the US is spread too thin.

You can't see that in my post? Do you have a comprehension problem?

I have no idea what part of that you misunderstood.

I couldn't see it through the fog of your speculation and pure opinion. Please, continue to spread your "ideas" like butter on the doom porn sandwich you seem so eager to make. Oh.. and dont forget to belittle those of us who dont agree with you... that would be careless.. almost as careless as the entitlements and rampant spending Obama has passed to get us where we are today.

How are you even arguing with me if you can't even be clear on what it is you are arguing against?

SO... since I know how to read between the lines I assume that what you are saying is that you are totally comfortable with the part of the rampant spending that is unnecessary and is not even part of the debt.

Is someone coming after your cake? Is a big bad terrorist coming after your piggy bank?

I never once said that spending was not rampant, but that the defense budget is the part that will not be budged... no matter who it hurts. I guess you're cool with that... so go hold up somebody's granny and buy a gun if that makes you feel safe because I don't know what you are bitching about.

You accuse me of doom porn when you are promoting the idea that all is lost because of entitlement and reckless spending. And I'm saying that entitlement would not be as big of a problem if it were not for inflation and the predatory real estate market and general greed... as well as MUCH reckless defense spending.

Then you act like you are arguing with a post that you couldn't read? Brilliant. That's a good use of time.

Go waste somebody else's time unless you have the courage to spit out your real point... or can at least organize it in your own mind.

I think I get it... you got commie fears and think the solution is to starve people or something as if that even makes any sense seeing as how that will cause only more problems. If you want to argue, make a damn argument or something because you are just displaying "I'M MAD... WE SPENT TOO MUCH MONEY AND I'M MAD"

I also think they spent too much money. What is your point?

Yep... i knew you were going to belittle me since i didn't agree with your opinion. I understood what you were saying maybe you couldnt understand my reply, and then you attack me like you are a person whi is going to have thier food stamps cut off.

Nice! Very nice... you proved my point thank you

The problem is that you are not saying anything substantial to even back up your own bickerings...and that is all that it is. It started with YOUR insults and that is all it has amounted to. All I hear you saying is over and over again is how bad government benefits are like we can just shove the needy and elderly into a big oven somewhere and prove over and over again that you are not equipped to even understand the economy in the first place and don't even know what you are talking about if that is all you got on the subject. That's why all you can do is repeat yourself like a parrot and spout childish insults when you didn't agree with MY opinion when I wasn't even talking to you. Well, I can dish it right back at ya sweetheart.

Knock yourself out, child. Keep telling me how angry you are at name on a screen like I upstaged your prom dress or something. You're not saying anything that even makes sense. Are you lost? You just wanted to strike up a conversation with me and have too many negative feelings about yourself to know how to reply to somebody. What the hell do you want, lol. If you don't want me to pick back...well, you shouldn't have started it. Get back to the topic of the economy because I'm not going to help you with your stunted emotional issues.

Of course I will belittle you after the crap you said to me out the blue... Do you need a road map to connect those two dots? You attacked me, darlin.... What does food stamps have to do with it? maybe it was medicaid or something else, maybe I want healthcare. Wouldn't that make more sense if all you think I'm concerned with are personally centered issues..why foodstamps when foodstamps weren't supposed to be effected by any of this significantly according to the news. See, you don't even make sense. You aren't capable of having mature debate about the economy without spouting names as the first thing you say to someone? What are you, 12?

Now buzz off, you are clearly out of your mind and have emotional issues since it is quite clear you just wanted to start arguing with me. It's funny you hate me though.

Despite and no matter your personal thoughts regarding a fellow members character, person or opinion.... it's Never a 'good route' to follow whilst seeking civility and decorum in a debate.

not only is it 'off-topic' it's also highly-frowned upon within the T&C.

Just sayin ....

You still have the window of opportunity to 'edit'.

Ah, if only you had been around when I replied to the thread topic and that person came out of the blue to insult me for no reason and calling me names then none of this would have likely been said beyond that point. I could edit it.... but so could they. I'd like to see policy upheld probably as much as you would, yet by some chance it never seems to work that way in these cases.

That is something I'd like to explore.

EDIT... actually, what they responded to was a reply i made to someone else that had insulted me calling me stupid after merely voicing my opinion on the topic.... like this is a personal grudge for them and I'm really not clear on what their beef is but anyway... I have no idea why that person chose to jump and also insult me.

So that makes two names that just started attacking me with insults who I hadn't been talking to.

I have reported things like that before, but it usually backfires for some reason, lol!

I guess the mods come in and just see arguing and start deleting posts because they don't really care to know what's going on and just want it off the board... however, sometimes insults fly right on by and no one does anything...so I guess the natural instinct is to try one's luck at telling them to bug off.

I mean, seriously... I have no idea where any of that came from. I know people disagree but those were really just done to get a rise out of me, I do believe. I just wanted them to be aware how obvious it was... and well, started getting into it I suppose.

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Let me ask you this, Why do we pronounce Boehner Banner? If I remember "Hooked on phonics", it should be pronounced Bone Err!

Aazadan
The government needs more than it's current revenues in order to operate. If we hit the debt ceiling spending isn't going to stop, and the nation isn't going to default. They're simply going to confiscate the money from peoples bank accounts.

Current revenues are around $2.7 trillion.

I bet we could easily survive on that.

Just stop some imports and open production right here at home, and cut unnecessary binge spending.

Unemployment goes down and revenues increase.

And put some of the foreign debt holders *on hold* for a while.

Simple.

American should be pretty tired of going broke for the benefit of foreign interests by now.

even if they don`t raise the debt limit congress won`t let the nation default, they will stop payments to the disabled and the poor and use that money to pay the interest so that the nation doesn`t default.
balancing the budget and the economy on the backs of the old, the poor,the children and the disabled is how they have always done it and it`s how they will continue to do it.
The amount of payroll taxes that the government brings in every month should be more than enough to pay the interest,of course nobody else will get squat but the important thing is to make sure the interest is paid so that the bond ratings stay high and the rich don`t lose any money.