reply to post by aboutface
I'm sorry... I moved away from this a bit because I seemed to have just fumbled the delivery of the outline so badly in folks responding the wrong
way. That's me, not anyone else. Everyone in class got it instantly ...and no one here is less than anyone there .. so it has to be wording in
delivery. (Bad Rabbit.. bad bad.. lol).
The answer, to our collective shock, was that there are NO values or cultural norms/taboos which are universal. Not one. Not even a basic one.
* Respect for elders or murder of parents? Err.. Japanese elders, as was explained, have and do choose to go off and die at times. Not in the
wilderness or elements, how some cultures put them out in the open but by withdrawing to privacy in their home to die. I hadn't heard that before
about Japanese culture so it came as a surprise. In America, that wouldn't be allowed to "just happen" in privacy. It'd be called a suicide to stop.
That was a gentle and kind example compared to another putting the elderly out onto the ice to die.
* Infanticide? Perhaps one of the most taboo things in Western society. It wasn't even allowed to be shown in a movie until recent years and was 100%
verboten when I was growing up. Heroes didn't die and babies never got killed. 2 constants in movies...and the latter one, absolute that I ever saw
back then. Yet.... China's one child policy is a modern example, ranging back to Sparta in old history putting infants on a local rock outcropping to
die by exposure, if found lacking in some obvious way. That's no constant value.
* Incest and Child Molestation? Well.. What IS incest and Child Molestation? It seems a value held pretty universally ..until that is asked. Then,
anything universal about it, just falls apart. Brides married off in pre-teen and early childhood isn't especially common but anything like rare,
around the world too. Those little children aren't in a platonic marriage, to say the least I'm sure. 1st cousin marriages are verboten in the
US....but often the favored arrangement in other cultures where arranged marriage is a norm.
* Religion? Well, the belief in something...? Hmm... Do we need to go here? lol.... If someone placed one of those novelty lightning balls you see in
mall stores within a primitive tribal village while all were asleep, to find in the morning? I'll bet half would worship the thing as a divine gift
and omen ...while the other half debated whether to go hunt down and kill whatever brought such a curse and doom in the night. err... I'm only half
kidding too.. lol
* Thou Shalt Not Kill! There is a winner right? Lets remove warfare entirely to make it work! So, does it work? Errr... No.. It doesn't, huh? I
support the Death Penalty...but I won't play semantic games to say it's something it's not. It is taking another life against their will. That is
killing.. Justification is secondary to cultural value matters. Honor killings are another where it's a true cultural value at work, to justify the
killing of another. (Very justified ..to some cultural thinking)
....anyway, on it went, and she's done this with classes for quite some time, apparently. She's yet to have a single example come that couldn't be
shown to be a value to SOME ...but NEVER ALL. Never universal. It shocked me a bit ....because prior to being put to that mental test, I never would
have agreed that Humans have *NO* universal and common values. Yet...there it is. If anyone disagrees to say we do? Please... share... Share what
cannot be debunked as Universal. I'd have fun returning to class with an example no one could shoot down in the first response or two.
Amazing and endlessly diverse world we live in, isn't it?
(For all my effort since, still no wins?? This game is like Tic Tac Toe. Every time you think you got an 'AH-HA!! That's Universal!" the X comes to
block the line of O's with a culture than doesn't agree..lol)
edit on 11-10-2013 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)