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posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 05:52 AM
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Well, Obamacare is here, in whatever form the pols finally decide upon.
Hope you're happy now! To those who voted Obama in, not once, but twice, I hope you're happy with what you brought the rest of the world!

We have a few members here that will write that it is a good thing that they, and everyone else, is paying out more for health insurance, thanks to the new mandate/tax!

I think they are liars.

I think Obamacare is probably the best thing that'll happen for 3rd party candidates or even republicans. Because no-one is going to want to vote for the progressive morons again!

Ever.

I hope each and every one of you that voted in this crook/whine-baby/moron end up paying thousands more.

Because that's what you wanted, right?

Oh.

You wanted the "other" guy to pay more? Too damned bad. Suck it up, buttercup. Dig in and shell out like the rest of us who all said that this wealth distributing jackass would ruin the country.

I have half a mind to just go full on disabled just so you mouth-breathers can enjoy paying for MY healthcare!

That's it. Rant over. Post, ignore, I don't give a crap.



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posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 06:11 AM
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You can't see it.... but I am giving you a standing ovation in my head right now. Short, sweet, and on point. I couldn't have said it better myself. Wanting free rides/free lunches did indeed help get us where we are at. You will never convince the Obamanites that he is not God come to grace them with all things cheap and easy. They will eventually find out that he is a "put out or get out" kind of guy. Arse, gas, or ----- nobody rides for free. Some people take a little longer to learn than others. Because of that, the rest of us get to pay up along with them.
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posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 06:11 AM
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As far as i am concerned, the USA should adopt a similar strategy to Australia's healthcare system. We have it pretty great down under.

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 06:14 AM
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The "rest of the world"?

Do you really think that we care about the costs of your so-called obamacare?

We DO care about your petty little fights resulting in shutdowns, or even worse, governmental balance-keeping!

Stop that nonsense!

About 6.700.000.000 people are more or less dependant on this! Not just your own some 380.000.000 people!


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posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 06:14 AM
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Awesome rant.

You know, I remember vividly, you warning people prior to the last riglection about Obama, and now you have certainly deserved the right to gloat.

Well played rabbit, well played.

NB: Glad to see your hands are OK Beez.



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 06:28 AM
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I feel like this is just the beginning. We are like the reincarnated ROME. Our governments tentacles travel far and wide...Straight into our pocket book!



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 06:29 AM
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The Canadian one is pretty good as well ,so we kind of got them surrounded .It may be too soon to tell how it will work out for them ,but I suspect that OP is correct ....peace



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 06:32 AM
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daaskapital
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As far as i am concerned, the USA should adopt a similar strategy to Australia's healthcare system. We have it pretty great down under.

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...


It's good here in Canada
I got back far more than I paid into it anyways.



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 06:37 AM
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I have to agree with ya here Mr. Bunny. This is the kind of event that defines life in a "Before and After" it happened, kind of way. We'll remember Christmas and other Holidays as well as things like vacations ..before ACA compliance made so much out of reach to middle class America.

It's hard to get a politician we never actually meet and who realistically has little impact on our direct daily life to generate hate. This one managed to with this though. Deep, lasting and very real hate....from millions of people.

Someone said he'll be recalled as one of, if not the single most individually hated President. I think that's just being nice about things.



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 06:39 AM
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Is Obamacare that different to Canada and Australia?

I find it hard to gauge if a lot of doubt and naysaying is due to a fear of a "socialist" health care system.



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 06:42 AM
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You didn't ask me... but yes. It is that different. It's a whole other animal and a nightmarish one at that.


We do need healthcare reform. This is not it. This will hurt far more people than it will help if something drastic does not happen. Wrabbit (above) said it excellently. We will remember this event as a turning point in our history. It will be a "before & after" event here in the US for sure.
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posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 06:52 AM
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Are the people of Canada and Australia being asked to pay hundreds if not a thousand or more, per month, plus payroll taxes which have always been there ....for the privilege of spending another $5,000-$10,000 in uncovered deductible cost before since a dime of covered benefit?

As I understand it, that's a warped nightmare version of what Canada and Australia have. Feel free to correct me though, as I don't know those systems intimately.



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 07:04 AM
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Just a follow-up to some of the replies.

First thanks.

Second, the paws are better as long as I take my meds. (lord knows what'll happen there!)

Third, to my friends in different nations, it would be difficult to adopt your style of healthcare until the initial cost is dealt with.
Right now, that isn't being addressed. The only thing that is; is paying for a lower level of care.



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 07:10 AM
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In Australia, it comes under a tax/levy. Obviously it is much more complicated (the links in my initial post will tell you more), but hey, the tax covers most things under our healthcare system, and people get most treatment cheap, if not free.

Put it this way, we are in a much more stable boat than the USA.


Edit: That's for the public healthcare system. There is also a private on in Australia which co-exists.
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posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 07:10 AM
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PTSD and Bob's your uncle!



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 07:38 AM
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beezzer
I have half a mind to just go full on disabled just so you mouth-breathers can enjoy paying for MY healthcare!


I've had friends and family recommend the same to me. My body is pretty broke and I'm limited in what I can and cannot do. But some days are better than others, so I accomplish what I can do on those days (Often I'm flat on my back the entire next day)

I've been putting it off because it just doesn't feel right though and the optimist in me says I'll get better and return to work. Almost a year now not being able to work.

How does the ACA work for those 100% disabled?



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 07:45 AM
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I agree that having it enacted and the full horror of its implications realized is the best medicine. Now we have to 'walk it off', better that than to sit with our leg up on the ottoman never to walk again as per the doctor's orders.




posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 07:55 AM
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Obama care will cripple the USA. It will in effect turn us into a part-time workforce. It will fail on it's own merit, but the crisis it cause's in failing will be immense. IMHO it's just a way for BIG INSURANCE to get that much bigger. The different packages of coverage you can buy is, IMHO rigged. If you have the cash you'll get good coverage, if you dont have the cash you'll get crap coverage. Hell that's how it allways was. Except now it has a LAW attached to it.

How in the hell this is legal boggles my mind. Our supreme court is a group of idiots in robes. Bought and paid for. Obama care will be a enormous disaster for my country.



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 08:22 AM
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Well the whole stigma attached with something considered to be socialist does have it's naysayers .Our system is as old as dirt but seems to be moving away from it's original purpose to give healthcare to our society . Our present Harper Govt. although spouting great economic claims on one hand ,seems to be trying to (with financial transfer payments to the Provinces) make it a public private partnership .I suspect it's to transfer the body of the funds to the private corporations . The notion of scoliciasm does not create the fear in us as it does the US ...peace



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 08:55 AM
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TDawgRex

beezzer
I have half a mind to just go full on disabled just so you mouth-breathers can enjoy paying for MY healthcare!


I've had friends and family recommend the same to me. My body is pretty broke and I'm limited in what I can and cannot do. But some days are better than others, so I accomplish what I can do on those days (Often I'm flat on my back the entire next day)

I've been putting it off because it just doesn't feel right though and the optimist in me says I'll get better and return to work. Almost a year now not being able to work.

How does the ACA work for those 100% disabled?

If you go on disability and do get better, you can return to work. You can also be disabled and work part time if you are up to it physically.

I put off applying for a few years because I kept hearing the horror stories of how hard it was to get. I had gone through cancer, depression and anxiety and just didn't feel up to fighting for it. Well finally I applied and because of all kinds of things going on with my back including spinal stenosis, nerve damage in my leg and no heavy lifting with my right arm, they approved me right away. I have to wait two years for medicare though and don't know what to do in the meantime.

If you havn't been able to work in a years time, do apply! As long as you have documents from your doctors, you'll be fine. I think you had to work in the last 5 years. Don't waste time. People at the social security dept. are extremely helpful.

Oh and Beez, my hubby is disabled but he pays for his own medical coverage. Unless you are under a certain amount of income, you don't get any freebies.
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