In 1994, when Arizona started its shall issue concealed carry weapon (CCW) program, there was considerable interest in how many and what types of homicides would be related to the new law.
It appears that a person is three times safer with a concealed carry permit holder than they are with a police officer.
Attempting to determine how the homicide rate of people with CCW permits compares to that of police officers is not an easy task. There are several sources that show that people with CCW permits are far more law abiding than the general population.
One would like to believe that the same is true for police officers, but data is much harder to obtain for them. Agencies that employ sworn officers do not like to tarnish their name with the misdeeds of officers, and unlike a few states that track crimes committed by CCW permit holders, I do not know of any government database of crimes committed by peace officers.
Florida was chosen to represent CCW permit holders, because accurate numbers of permits were obtainable from the Florida Department of Agriculture. Florida has the highest total of CCW permits of all the states, and the number of resident concealed carry permits in Florida is reasonably close to the number of sworn state and local peace officers in the United States.
The Violence Policy Center (VPC) says that Florida tops the nation in killings by people with concealed carry permits. VPC has complete years in their data base for 2008 – 2011 for Florida. There are 27 total killings that are unjustified homicides by CCW permit holders, and 14 of those are domestic homicides. The rate of domestic homicides per 100,000 per year is .583 per 100,000 for CCW holders.
For the data that we have, police appear to be three times as likely to commit murder as a concealed carry permit holder.
If we include all unjustified homicides (suicides were not included) found in Florida by the VPC for CCW holders for the entire four years, the rate is only 27/2,400,713 or 1.125 per 100,000 population per year. This is comparable with the homicide rates in developed western European countries. It is 61% of the rate for police officers for domestic homicides alone.
There are no complete and definitive sources of data that will give us an accurate ratio of unjustified homicides committed by police compared to CCW holders. The numbers are very small and no one keeps a national record of them.
However, the numbers found for domestic homicide cases, which are some of the easiest solved and most highly publicised cases, offer strong evidence that CCW permit holders are less likely to commit unjustified homicide than police officers, as little as one third as much.
reply to post by greencmp
Could it be that your average CCP holder doesn't walk into the gun store and ask for targets that have women and children on them?????
Just a guess, but being that Homeland Security ordered a bunch of these targets, is it a wonder???
Wake the hell up folks!
May | add something? Not because |'m a medically retired cop and want to "stick up for the blue line" because |'m the first to call a shovel a spade, with that being typed. Could these numbers reflect that a majority of cops carry their weapon ALL the time? (| never did, |'d play golf w/guys that were strapped to the gills) add this to a cop is more likely to shoot first and let the chips fall where they may (read: "better judged by 12 than carried by 6") Your "everyday" Gun Nu... Uh, er... "Gun Enthusiast" isn't usually around violence at their work stations and will also NOT rely on 100's of hours of training, like a packing cop will/would do... The cop's job is to go home at night, that "Protect & Serve" just looks nice on the cars. A majority of those involved in law enforcement are in "it" for the wrong reasons and then 'bitterness' sets in and then they "snap"
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Good thread . . . I've have a couple comments regarding your OP
First, I see your article uses statistics from the VPC. You should know (or maybe you do) the VPC is a non-profit that is totally funded by the anti-gun lobby. It is the source of all of their statistics and has been proven to "fudge" their findings to support the anti-2nd agenda. Their "research" is bought and paid for, so to speak. I know that you didn't write the article, but I wouldn't trust their data . . . better to go right to the source and use the FBI crime statistics website. VPC will always skew the data to make gun owners out to be "unsafe".
Second, as a "civilian", I've taken numerous firearms courses alongside LEOs, from training centers like Gunsite in Paulden, AZ to my local range. I try to take at least three a year, as you just don't get the opportunity to practice from draw, from cover, or in movement by just going to the range. In every instance, the civilians have shown to be better marksmen and safer with their weapons. LEOs constantly fail to clear their targets and are consistently lectured on covering others (and themselves) with their firearms. Every course I've taken reserves the last day for "competitions" and these are almost exclusively won by "civilians".
I think this mainly has to do with their familiarity with handling their weapon, as familiarity breeds mental laziness. They simply do not think/concentrate the way they should when handling their weapon. Think of it like driving a car . . . you don't have to mentally go through each step and focus the way you did when you were a novice. Now, as civilians safety is beaten into your head when learning and becomes 2nd nature. It doesn't seem to be the case for LEOs . . . at least not the way they practice. I think that this is also demonstrated by the fact that the majority of accidental discharges and shootings, in this nation, are at the hands of off-duty LEOs.
That's not to say that there aren't very proficient LEOs out there . . . I've encountered many. In fact, one of my favorite range masters, at Gunsite, is ex-military and LEO and was even the head instructor for Arizona DPS. That said, even he would give the LEOs and ex-military a lot of ish for never besting or being as teachable as the civilians (especially the civilian women).
edit on 10/9/13 by solomons path because: (no reason given)
Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I think that one thing has been over-looked. Maybe I missed it. But I would think that a LEO who commits homicide does so because he/she thinks they can get away with it. Just like any other murderer.
"I'm a Cop, I know how these investigations go, so I can cover my tracks."
Fortunately, there are LEO's who look for these types. As in every segment of society, you have the good, the bad and the ugly.