Ex-GOP insider unloads: Blame “neo-Confederate insurrectionists” for shutdown!

Willtell
reply to post by thesaneone

 

Nobody said anything about the downfall of America. Though you never know with fanatics.

Even though the “smallness” of the group is irrelevant since it could take one person to destroy the world, or a few with the technology we have, numbers are actually irrelevant.

It’s the inner power, distorted or not distorted, that can bring about the downfall of something. An idea that spreads inside that distortion, like Nazism, communism, radical Islam; I include Tea partyism amongst those negative poles of the human mind. That’s my opinion. And I believe I have proven my case.

edit on 8-10-2013 by Willtell because: (no reason given)

Actually . . . you are the one spouting rhetoric that sounds like Nazism . . . since you seem so familiar with their tactics, you should know about the "night of the long knives" very well. You know, what happens after people fall for the demonizing, dangerous rhetoric and excuse action against the opposition that dissent?

Willtell
reply to post by sealing

 

True, this is a very conservative forum. My hope is to offer my conservative friends here an alternative way of thinking conservative, expanding it to include more empathy and compassion without giving up their principles.

There is, I believe, a middle ground were unity and peace can happen.

I have seen many people say the 'right' thinks wrong.

Fact is what is the point ?

Want carbon copies of each other?

1 party ?

For all intents and purposes most people say they are the same.

Simple fact I don't really like people telling me what conservative ideology should be.

Not their place.

There are clear ldeological differences between right and left most is nothing but demagoguery.

Hell hollywood wrote the script for the last 5 years.

The West Wing.
Boston Legal
The Good Wife

Awe the poor left is just misunderstood.

The only problem in this country is the 'right'.

What a joke.

American politics is not based on reality. it is based on nothing but perception.

And the perception that is being peddled is 'neoconfederates' ?

Always with the labels.

solomons path

Willtell
reply to post by thesaneone

 

Nobody said anything about the downfall of America. Though you never know with fanatics.

Even though the “smallness” of the group is irrelevant since it could take one person to destroy the world, or a few with the technology we have, numbers are actually irrelevant.

It’s the inner power, distorted or not distorted, that can bring about the downfall of something. An idea that spreads inside that distortion, like Nazism, communism, radical Islam; I include Tea partyism amongst those negative poles of the human mind. That’s my opinion. And I believe I have proven my case.

edit on 8-10-2013 by Willtell because: (no reason given)

Actually . . . you are the one spouting rhetoric that sounds like Nazism . . . since you seem so familiar with their tactics, you should know about the "night of the long knives" very well. You know, what happens after people fall for the demonizing, dangerous rhetoric and excuse action against the opposition that dissent?

Nazis and fascism are extreme RIGHT wing group and ideology

reply to post by Willtell

This is what I painstakingly have tried to educate the people on this forum about. This is not a partisan left/right paradigm dispute, but a dispute between reality and delusion. Sight and blindness, truth and falsehood. Just because the sight and reality and truth side happens to fall this time on the side of the Democrats shouldn’t stop people from acknowledging the truth, and that the GOP tea party are the essence of POLITICAL MADNESS!

Do you think it's all caused by the international central bank steering committee that gives the *ordazz* to the Federal Reserve and most other central banks in most nations ?

the Basel Accords

Basel Committee


Obama LLC and Democrats support this and based the Dodd-Frank law on this.

The Tea Party opposes.


Big 'paradigm'.

..This outfit also caused the recent *collapse* and are going to cause the soon to be seen *collapse*.

damwel

solomons path

Willtell
reply to post by thesaneone

 

Nobody said anything about the downfall of America. Though you never know with fanatics.

Even though the “smallness” of the group is irrelevant since it could take one person to destroy the world, or a few with the technology we have, numbers are actually irrelevant.

It’s the inner power, distorted or not distorted, that can bring about the downfall of something. An idea that spreads inside that distortion, like Nazism, communism, radical Islam; I include Tea partyism amongst those negative poles of the human mind. That’s my opinion. And I believe I have proven my case.

edit on 8-10-2013 by Willtell because: (no reason given)

Actually . . . you are the one spouting rhetoric that sounds like Nazism . . . since you seem so familiar with their tactics, you should know about the "night of the long knives" very well. You know, what happens after people fall for the demonizing, dangerous rhetoric and excuse action against the opposition that dissent?

Nazis and fascism are extreme RIGHT wing group and ideology

That wasn't my point . . . I was speaking of their tactics and the use of them against those that dissent. I only used Nazism, as the OP seems so happy to invoke their imagery.

And actually, Nazism started as a "progressive" movement, which stood opposed to the "conservative" SA. Although, the more "leftist" faction of the Nazi party were also taken out by Hitler.

The Night of the Long Knives (German: About this sound Nacht der langen Messer ), sometimes called Operation Hummingbird or, mistakenly, sometimes in Germany, the Röhm-Putsch, was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany between June 30 and July 2, 1934, when the Nazi regime carried out a series of political murders. Leading figures of the left-wing Strasserist faction of the Nazi Party, along with its figurehead, Gregor Strasser, were murdered, as were prominent conservative anti-Nazis (such as former Chancellor Kurt von Schleicher and Gustav Ritter von Kahr, who had suppressed Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch in 1923). Many of those killed were leaders of the Sturmabteilung (SA), the paramilitary brownshirts.

reply to post by damwel


Not hardly:

A lot of people sure do love to put nazism and fascism on the right, but that is not the truth:

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ was a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Influenced by national syndicalism, the first fascist movements emerged in Italy around World War I, combining elements of left-wing politics with more typically right-wing positions, in opposition to communism, socialism, liberal democracy and, in some cases, traditional right-wing conservatism. Although fascism is usually placed on the far right on the traditional left–right spectrum, fascists themselves and some commentators have argued that the description is inadequate.[3]

en.wikipedia.org...

Authoritarian is what the care act is, and is what the left is.

Fascists sought to unify their nation through a totalitarian state that promoted the mass mobilization of the national community,[5][

Sounds familair doesn't it ?

Community ?

and were characterized by having a vanguard party that initiated a revolutionary political movement aiming to reorganize the nation along principles according to fascist ideology.[7] Hostile to liberal democracy, socialism, and communism, fascist movements shared certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism.

hostile to liberal democracy ?

Like that evil teaparty, and republicans not rolling over and let the potus, and his henchmen do whatever the hell they want.

Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation[5][8][9][10] and asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations

Expand territory there are a multitude of examples here both foreign and domestic issues.

Every expansion of power by the state takes power away from the people.

Lots of examples here.

Anyone saying that fascism can only exist on the right,well that is not true.

Point of fact the LEFT is more FASCIST than the right.

The biggest difference is the left tries to take the only means to fight oppression away from the people: Guns.

The Right seeks to preserve the power to fight oppression.

reply to post by damwel

Nazis and fascism are extreme RIGHT wing group and ideology

Sounds like ya got that all backwards !!

As a rule...

Most of the malarkey about fascism being 'right wing' *always* emanates from left wing sources.

Many of those left wing NGO sources are well hidden, and will always 'bite' when confronted.

They fight hard when the agenda is exposed.

And like a gila monster, won't let go until sundown.


Socialism, Communism, Fascism are all extreme fanatical left wing agendas.

Each suck money from the public and have gigantic government control.

Each has an elitist structure that control the wealth.

reply to post by damwel


Can you explain how the National SOCIALIST Party (Nazi party) is right wing? How is a group that is about so much government control that they lock up portions of their population for being the wrong race a right wing group? You may have noticed that I capitalized the word socialist in my first sentence. Last I checked, socialists are left wing. So again, what are you talking about?

reply to post by Willtell


The solution to your problem is to vote third party across the board. Obviously, this may not be entirely possible since some districts don't have a third party representative. In those cases, vote against the incumbent. I don't care if you are Democrat and the guy you need to vote for is Republican or vice-versa. Lifetime incumbents in Congress are the people who are destroying our country one election at a time.

Next push for term limits in Congress and an end to lobbying. It's harder to game the system when you are new to it and haven't been in Washington D.C. very long. Without lobbying, we can crack down on the corruption in the government.

Need money? Legalize all victimless crimes. That means an end to the war on drugs, gambling, prostitution, and guns. Without these things putting people into jail and not needing to spend nearly as much on policing our populous, our governmental costs would decrease. We'd also jump start our economy by suddenly legalizing many professions that up until now have been illegal. This will allow many new small businesses to fill the void and provide these services to Americans.

I can go on, but I would like to point out that even though I've given the Libertarian answer to these government problems I haven't said to get rid of social programs or deregulate corporations (if anything we need to increase monopoly regulation and break up corporations like Walmart, Apple, Cingular AT&T, and many more). Yet I believe that the answers I've given so far could go a long way to fixing many of our problems in this country.

reply to post by Willtell


These folks using "buzzwords beyond the stupid" are using disinformation tactics.

Truth-there is no such thing as a "Neo-Confederate insurrectionist."

Truth-There are only "Politicians" and "The American People"

Truth- The civil war is the thing of the past. Slavery is abolished. The bill of rights is real and has been amended. No one in fact, wears the civil war colors nor maintains a civil war attitude or even flies the "rebel flag" with any real intention of resurrecting "the confederacy" (Except those doing civil war re-enactments)

Truth-there is no such thing as a "Neo-Confederate insurrectionist."

There is now, actually ever since Obama got elected. Remember Perry saying Texas could secede??

reply to post by xuenchen


Do you know the unseen?
Do you know what really goes on behind closed doors?

Just words that imply certain policy predilections
Conservative implies to conserve the present condition

Liberal implies open to change

Those certainly are valid differences, but when the differences get too polarized the nation becomes open to levels of conflict that most of us don’t want, such as violent civil strife or the present situation where the country and individuals can be extremely damaged.

A similar mentality, opposition to change, was present in the civil war era, therefore the term neo-confederate, implying a return to that mentality of the past by, not coincidently, the same states for the most part.

reply to post by neo96

reply to post by Willtell

Liberal implies open to change

That was hilarious it really was.

Except for what passes for liberal just recycles the same rhetoric decade after decade hoping the next generation will be stupid enough to buy in to the supremacy of the state.

Bettering living through government.

Government legislated morality,intelligence, wealth.

Sorry but for what passes for liberal today doesn't have one original thought among them.

Not one.

Liberals are not open to change, their way or the highway.

They are the most closed minded people I have even come to the misfortune of meeting.

What passes for conservative pretty much the same story.

Neither one is what they sell themselves as, and anyone who think's the left is better than the right is not facing the reality of American politics.

reply to post by neo96


That's because you are both misusing the word/tag "Liberal".

You are both describing "progressive" and calling it "liberal" . . . just as the Progressives in the U.S. have been since the New Deal. There is nothing "liberal" about the "progressive" agenda

Liberal is derived from the ideology of Liberalism . . . it has nothing to do with "change" (even though the dems like to use that word so often in their marketing campaigns).

Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis) is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.

I see nothing from the Democratic Party that espouses the virtues of being "liberal".

They are "progressives" . . .

American progressives tend to advocate progressive taxation and oppose what they describe as the growing and negative influence of large corporations. Progressives are typically in agreement on an international scale with left-liberalism in that they support organized labor and trade unions, they usually wish to introduce a living wage, and they often support the creation of a universal health care system. In the United States, liberals and progressives are often conflated, and in general are the primary voters of the Democratic Party which has a "large tent" policy, combining similar if not congruent ideologies into large voting blocs.

More so, both sides of the aisle are Collectivist in nature. Neither side wants the American people to be individualist, as that takes from their power. Liberalism is rooted in Individualism (liberty, equality, etc) going all the way back to John Locke.

Collectivists (whether progressive or conservative) want to impose their will on everyone else, to the detriment of those that dissent. Force is readily applied when needed . . . whether through imperialism (world police) or domestic statism (DHS).

reply to post by solomons path

That's because you are both misusing the word/tag "Liberal".

Nope

That is what the word liberal means in the modern vernacular.

Means the use of the state to take from the haves and give to the have nots.

Means the use of the state to legislate corporate products:

Those birth control pills,healthcare,education,homes,free cell phones, etc are all corporate products they deemed to be 'human rights'.

They really need to stop using the word liberal since they are the antithesis of what the word means.

Can't really fault people for calling them what they call themselves.

reply to post by neo96


Liberal only has that "modern vernacular" meaning in America. The rest of the world doesn't have this problem. The reason the two are conflated in America, is because the Progressives co-opted the term to fool the populace into believing they are something they are not.

So, maybe it's time we start exposing them for what they really are, right?

Stop letting them use the word "liberal". Stop letting them co-opt a term that means they believe in freedom, equality, and the natural goodness of humans . . . when their actions prove the opposite.

If the Democratic Party was truly the party of Liberalism . . . shouldn't Libertarians belong to the DP? To continue to let them use that label only gives liberals a bad name/image.

Let's start calling a spade a spade and not allow them to hide behind their masks any longer . . . They are Collectivists with a Progressive agenda, they are Statists. As you said . . . nothing liberal about that.

CB328

Truth-there is no such thing as a "Neo-Confederate insurrectionist."

There is now, actually ever since Obama got elected. Remember Perry saying Texas could secede??

And yet another truth replacing a fallacy sir. Texas is still part of the US.