Obama-Reid-Democrats ... Possible Explanation of the Madness ?

Obama-Reid-Democrats ... Possible Explanation of the Madness ?


The more we keep hearing the standard blame game primarily from Democrats against Republicans (and especially the "Tea Party"), the bigger question becomes --- *WHY*.

These two articles may offer some explanation.

It seems that the tactics *could be* from one particular set of rules and philosophies.

The interesting thing might be the possibility that Democrats have run out of genuine arguments and rebuttals.

The majority of elected representatives in the House of Representatives *does* in fact represent the majority of the population. *THAT* alone is just cause for a Democratic panic.

It’s up to Republicans to expose and reject the administration’s fear-mongering.

In an interview last Wednesday on CNBC, President Obama said, “When you have a situation in which a faction is willing to default on U.S. obligations, then we are in trouble.”

While he is speaking of House Republicans, the only faction that actually fits that description is the administration itself.

In a speech in Maryland later that day, Obama pressed the default issue again: “As reckless as a government shutdown is, as many people as are being hurt by a government shutdown, an economic shutdown that results from default would be dramatically worse.” ..................


Debunking the Democrats’ Default Dramatics

In the old days, if you wanted to see master propagandists at work, you looked to Moscow, where none honed the craft as crassly as the boys in the Kremlin. The Soviets were so excellent at manipulation and disinformation, at agitation and propaganda (read: agitprop), that they had a government department that specialized in the work. Entire elements of the arm of the state were employed in the ignoble task.

Here at home, Communist Party USA wasn’t too shabby either. CPUSA’s lieutenants excelled at what they called “campaigns.” These were carefully concerted efforts whereby they exploited an issue or cause to further an agenda. Such campaigns were a very effective, still vastly un-appreciated, tactic vigorously employed by the communist movement......................


Obama’s Shutdown Campaign

Hmmm.

reply to post by xuenchen


Honestly???? The only reason I support Boehner, is that let's get over the inevitable!!! For Christ's sake, let's just get this charade of fear over with, so that everyone can see how they were lulled into a coma to support ANY of these criminals whom are pretending to represent US versus whom they are actually representing! (Corporations and Bankers)

Let's just "GET ER DONE" so that we can rebuild and fire the whole damn bunch of em! (I only say, "fire" because I am feeling nice and in a Zen mode today! : )

reply to post by xuenchen


Snap lol , think we are on the same page :- www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Pinkorchid


Yep !!!

Good topic.

So the republicans lost the elction, tried to vote out obamacare 43 times, failed misserably, yea americans are so againt obama .

reply to post by Pinkorchid


Thanks for reposting the link to that thread! I missed it, and if wasn't for you reposting it in this thread, I never would have been aware of it!

Very disturbing......

reply to post by xuenchen


So much for the shutdown to DOD employees, today our local base personnel that was furlough was back at their jobs, they say that if they were to get paid for vacation they as well work.

So what a joke.

But then again it was expected. right?

The Obama administration can not allowe the blame to change too much in their direction because that will put the Democratic party in peril for next elections.

The administration no only has run out of arguments they can not longer lie to the people, because they have been caught with their pants down too many times already.

Specially when Obama tried to suggest that SS security checks would not be send, then he tried to keep DOD personnel out of their jobs so he could used them as a bargaining tool.

incredible.

this is the republicans fault, no amount of spinning can change that. if the house voted today for a clean CR, it would pass , then go to the senate, get passed there, and on to Obama and he would sign it. everybody knows it except for the people trying to somehow assign Obama the blame. remember that we still have the sequester hurting the economy, too...republicans want people to lose their jobs, they want more sick people, they want more poor people, they want more people angry at government, they want to destroy and tear down, rather than create and build up, they want failure, not success.

reply to post by dukeofjive696969

So the republicans lost the elction, tried to vote out obamacare 43 times, failed misserably, yea americans are so againt obama .

Depends on who you are calling 'Americans'
Union Letter: Obamacare Will ‘Destroy The Very Health and Wellbeing’ of Workers

The roll out of President Obama’s health care reform package was always going to be tricky, with vehement opposition from his political opponents and pushback from employers large and small. But after announcing last week that penalties for companies failing to comply with the law will be delayed by a year, the Affordable Care Act has a new, high profile set of dissenters: Unions.

The leaders of three major U.S. unions, including the highly influential Teamsters, have sent a scathing letter to Democratic leaders in Congress, warning that unless changes are made, President Obama’s health care reform plan will “destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.”

If that’s not bad enough, the Affordable Care Act, if not modified, will “destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans,” the letter says.

The full letter, below: ....

Actually you seem to be able to get what ever opinion you want.
NBC: Poll: Obamacare remains highly unpopular as implementation looms

A CBS poll shows that 76% of the American people want Obama to negotiate with the GOP

Poll: Most Americans Oppose Obamacare

Big Majorities Oppose Obamacare, Say CBS, Fox, NBC/WSJ Polls

I like Rasmussen because you can actually SEE the questions.
54% Expect Health Care Costs To Rise Under Obamacare

50% Oppose Health Care Law’s Individual Mandate, 36% Favor

30% Think Obamacare Will Improve U.S. Health Care System


Health Care Law 45% View Health Care Law Favorably, 49% Unfavorably


Suppo rt for Government Shutdown Drops from 53% to 45%

64% Say Federal Government Has Too Much Power and Money

jimmyx
this is the republicans fault, no amount of spinning can change that. if the house voted today for a clean CR, it would pass , then go to the senate, get passed there, and on to Obama and he would sign it. everybody knows it except for the people trying to somehow assign Obama the blame. remember that we still have the sequester hurting the economy, too...republicans want people to lose their jobs, they want more sick people, they want more poor people, they want more people angry at government, they want to destroy and tear down, rather than create and build up, they want failure, not success.

Have the Democrats actually introduced a "CR" ?

If so, please post a quote & link.

Unless they are really powerless.

TIA.

dukeofjive696969
So the republicans lost the elction, tried to vote out obamacare 43 times, failed misserably, yea americans are so againt obama .

What election ?

The Republicans have a majority in the House Chamber.

The House represents the population equally by popular vote in each of the 435 districts.

It's all in the Constitution.

reply to post by jimmyx


Lets just pretend for a moment that this does all get resolved and , the budget gets passed fully.

Now , who will be to blame , when this Government calls for the rounding up ( through IRS ,identification of all Tea party supporters) and the immediate cleansing of the U.S of these individuals, will it be the republicans fault then for trying to stop it going through???

Or are we now all gung Ho for the death camps ( Fema) ?

reply to post by jimmyx

.republicans want people to lose their jobs, they want more sick people, they want more poor people, they want more people angry at government, they want to destroy and tear down, rather than create and build up, they want failure, not success.

What planet are you living on? The whole mess is just a dog and pony show for the dumbed down public. The real divide is not Republicans vs Democrats or Liberal vs Conservatives it is the ELITE vs the Serfs.

I suggest you read America’s Ruling Class

In one forum I was reading a commenter was living in Washington DC. He reported sitting in a restaurant listening to some democrat and republican Congressmen making fun of the stupid voters. He said it was glaringly obvious they considered themselves our 'betters' and not our representatives.

Voters Don't Like Political Class Bossing Them Around

There are many ways to describe the enormous gap between the American people and their elected politicians.

Most in official Washington tend to think that their elite community is smarter and better than the rest of us. Many hold a condescending view of voters and suggest that the general public is too ignorant to be treated seriously. Only 5 percent of the nation's voters, however, believe that Congress and its staff members represent the nation's best and brightest.

Gavin Newsom, the former mayor of San Francisco and now California's Democratic lieutenant governor, recognized the disconnect and wrote a book on it, "Citizenville." Unlike most politicians, Newsom doesn't just blame the voters. "It wasn't just that people weren't engaging with their government," he writes. "Elected officials weren't bothering to engage with the people, either -- that is, of course, until election time."

However, Newsom adds, "We have to disenthrall ourselves, as Abraham Lincoln used to say, of the notion that politicians and government institutions will solve our problems."

The data suggests that the American people have already gotten over that notion. In terms of being a good citizen, 67 percent of voters believe it is more important to do volunteer work for church and community organizations than it is to get involved in politics and political campaigns. Only 16 percent disagree and put political involvement first.

That is perhaps the biggest gap between the American people and the Political Class. Those in politics take the self-serving view that they are uniquely qualified to solve the nation's problems. Those in the general public have a much firmer grasp on reality.....

The real problem is a power struggle in the GOP. Something in the GOP is going break and this will all end. Although the GOP is now already afraid this will cost them the house in 2014 their primary goal is to keep the party intact and hope the damage is not to great. The problem for GOP is more and more Republicans are looking at their own jobs and not seeing this ending well and are now willing to cross party lines and vote the budget through clean. The problem for the speaker is if he calls the vote its over and the party will be even more divided however, the longer he waits the longer the American people wonder why he will not just call the vote. All the DNC has to do is keep demanding a vote and keep from saying anything else stupid and let the GOP keep wrecking itself.

reply to post by MrSpad

The real problem is a power struggle in the GOP.

I disagree.

If the real problem was 'a power struggle in the GOP',

then we would not be seeing the tactics used by the Left.

The real problem is outlined in the articles IMO.

reply to post by xuenchen


...well, there's this theory about what this shutdown is based on

< insert rolling eyes emoticon here >

xuenchen

dukeofjive696969
So the republicans lost the elction, tried to vote out obamacare 43 times, failed misserably, yea americans are so againt obama .

What election ?

The Republicans have a majority in the House Chamber.

The House represents the population equally by popular vote in each of the 435 districts.

It's all in the Constitution.

Fact the district maps are redrawn every ten years by the party that holds the House. Fact. The new maps for congressional districts that were redrawn as a result of the 2010 midterms look like they were drawn by a kindergartener. They were drawn that way to ensure electoral wins because if you just put a grid pattern and adjust the squares for population there would be no Republican majority. Please pull you head out of your ass and quit repeating the same nonsense day in and day out like you have some kind of valid point. No the House does not accurately reflect the people being governed, it reflects the product of badly Gerrymandered districts drawn by a political party quickly falling out of relevance.

All you have to do is look at the Senate to know what the truth is. If it was all what you say it is then the Senate would be split proportionally equal to the House. It is not, and the Republican Party has had no real net change in the amount of Senate seats it holds. And has found itself losing Senate races they could have won.

reply to post by xuenchen

Have the Democrats actually introduced a "CR" ?

If so, please post a quote & link.

Unless they are really powerless.

They are the minority in the house, hard to get a bill introduced when the Speaker has said he won't introduce anything from that side.

Weak spin attempt.

jimmyx
this is the republicans fault, no amount of spinning can change that. if the house voted today for a clean CR, it would pass , then go to the senate, get passed there, and on to Obama and he would sign it. everybody knows it except for the people trying to somehow assign Obama the blame. remember that we still have the sequester hurting the economy, too...republicans want people to lose their jobs, they want more sick people, they want more poor people, they want more people angry at government, they want to destroy and tear down, rather than create and build up, they want failure, not success.

Couldn't agree with you more! Except for the fact that it doesn't even have to go back to the Senate because the clean C.R. has already be voted on and passed over there.

reply to post by AlienScience


Kinda like the leader of the Senate doing the same thing????

Get over yourself trying to defend one party whom is the same as the other. Unless of course your being paid to defend them????

Most people are waking up to the fact the two party system has become nothing more that the bought and paid for arm of the military/industrial complex.

So either you want to admit that you still believe in the system that you adamantly fight to defend??? Or you admit that your lively hood depends on doing your job to perpetuate the fraud being committed against the Americans you attempt to defend.

So which is it?