NFL says off duty Police better think twice and not carry weapons to a Game ?

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posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 08:57 AM
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fox8.com...
NFL Bans Off-Duty Officers’ Guns in Stadiums


CLEVELAND — A new NFL policy will prohibit off-duty Cleveland police officers from taking their guns into FirstEnergy Stadium.



Police say they received an internal memo on September 11 that the NFL banned all off-duty federal, state and local law enforcement officers from carrying weapons in any NFL stadium or facility.

So that means IMO only working Federal agents such as HLS and TSA can carry or be armed at NFL games...?
Most of the guys I know think and believe they are Police officers 24/7 and I doubt they would go to a game without their fire arm.

Dunno just thought this was weird.....
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posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 09:11 AM
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Don't know what to make of this. It is wrong no matter how you look at it.

I guess it could simply be another gradual shift toward disarming all people and making the distinction that 'off-duty' officers have the same lack of rights and are equivalent to serfs whenever they are not in uniform and being paid.



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 09:12 AM
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Perhaps the NFL is wising up to the fact that the police today are homicidal thugs with a god complex that thanks to the police union of duty or not have a license to kill with impunity and the NFL is doing whatever it can to keep its fan base safe?

I wish major cities and counties would adopt this attitude or allow the non-police to walk around armed.

At this point in time the police are so violent, corrupt and just plain bad (off duty or not) that the citizens won't call for them even if they need help and that is the situation that allowed the Mexican drug lords to run amok down south.

Kudos for the NFL



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 09:18 AM
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Well.... I'm sorry the NFL chooses to make their venues a safe working environment for killers and scumbags. (I mean in the stands...not the ones on the field.
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The *ONLY* reason I tolerate entering a place that prohibits my own CCW weapon is that I know these are places with cops, both on and off duty who are also carrying weapons. I know these are places with security as a primary focus in almost every case where a black letter law prohibition exists for my carry. A gated venue for entertainment IS a black letter law issue in my state. I can go...my gun, I suppose, could somehow go...but we can't go together.

If they want to disarm the ONLY reason I'd still enter their venue unarmed? They can go blow it out their tanks ..and I hope the victims of the next spree killing at an NFL venue sue them into total obliteration as an organization. They've just signed death warrants for people who don't even know they're dead from it yet.



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 09:35 AM
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I think it's a smart move by the NFL. There is no reason why they can't use other means of force to subdue a potential threat. Of course one would expect a gun would be caught while entering the game but I don't know how easy or not that is.

The last thing the NFL wants is to scare off people from coming to the games. While NFL is by far the most popular sport in the US it still has it's difficulties in selling out games in some cities. The prices you pay at the game are ridiculous enough what they don't need is a fan getting shot and killed at the game.

It's more of a business move imo.



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 09:43 AM
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I guess it could simply be another gradual shift toward disarming all people

A gradual shift to disarming all law abiding citizens... I doubt it will phase B.G.s with evil in their heart. I can think of all kinds of ways to preposition B.G. stuff during the week before a game... Maybe just a movie scenario mentality...? IMO those who do not care if they live or die and want to inflict as much damage and pain as possible..... this ruling will not mean much......?



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 09:44 AM
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If it's a business move, it's a losing one. Texas is among the states that permit and, in many cases, outright require every law enforcement officer in their state, currently working for a LEO agency to have their weapon in their possession 24/7.

In the case of those? The NFL made a decision to reject not just the cop, but his entire family and very likely, the people that family knows and associates with.

They played political correctness to suck up to the Anti-Gun crowd. What they've accomplished is a body count on a tragedy not yet done (with this announcement, every nut case knows nothing stops them now) and a BIG loss of business from a field of work that directly covers a couple million and touches 10's of millions ...sympathetic to the WRONG side of it for the NFL profit line.

Ignorance has a name. Today, it's the "NFL".



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 09:46 AM
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Why have we only heard this about one stadium if it is connected to the NFL?

Are the rest refusing? Can the NFL end the franchise if there is no compliance? Just wondering...



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 09:50 AM
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Guns don't kill people...

Power tripping LEO's on Bud Lite do.

The USA has extremely liberal gun laws so you are free to attempt to reconcile your bankrupt spirit with guns and ammo. Fail.



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 09:59 AM
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At first I thought it was a local thing to but then the article went on to say otherwise... or maybe I read it wrong? Possibly more will be posted later about the ruling and outcome?

Their game their rules... Last thing I heard was TSA was everywhere; long lines taking 1.5 hours to clear their security check points so maybe more will just op to stay home and watch the game on T.V. or pay-per-view...?
I bet it has been over 10 years since I have watched a game even on T.V. but for many the games are a big deal..



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 10:00 AM
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InverseLookingGlass
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Guns don't kill people...

Power tripping LEO's on Bud Lite do.

The USA has extremely liberal gun laws so you are free to attempt to reconcile your bankrupt spirit with guns and ammo. Fail.

Guns don't kill people and neither do LEOs when people have guns.

Shout down flail.



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 10:05 AM
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I did see several more cities mentioning it.


Charlotte Mecklenburg police told Eyewitness News the no-weapon rule is part of new NFL recommendations including the ban on bags, and off-duty officers carrying guns are more of a risk.

www.wsoctv.com...


"NFL recommendations"

That might be meaningful if true.



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 10:12 AM
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Auh my friend don't feed the trolls or ones who have a different opinion and want to voice it; some opinions are not worth commenting on; others have good points and deserve attention... No food and they usually go away... Or like a child just scream louder... You and I will not change our opinion and neither will a troll until they are robbed, mugged, raped, or had the stuffing's scared out of them by a gang or B.G. Funny I have seen more women at the gun range than ever before. Good for them!



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 10:20 AM
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727Sky
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Auh my friend don't feed the trolls or ones who have a different opinion and want to voice it; some opinions are not worth commenting on; others have good points and deserve attention... No food and they usually go away... Or like a child just scream louder... You and I will not change our opinion and neither will a troll until they are robbed, mugged, raped, or had the stuffing's scared out of them by a gang or B.G. Funny I have seen more women at the gun range than ever before. Good for them!


Good advice though, sometimes I can't resist.



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 11:26 AM
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Wrabbit2000
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If it's a business move, it's a losing one. Texas is among the states that permit and, in many cases, outright require every law enforcement officer in their state, currently working for a LEO agency to have their weapon in their possession 24/7.

In the case of those? The NFL made a decision to reject not just the cop, but his entire family and very likely, the people that family knows and associates with.

They played political correctness to suck up to the Anti-Gun crowd. What they've accomplished is a body count on a tragedy not yet done (with this announcement, every nut case knows nothing stops them now) and a BIG loss of business from a field of work that directly covers a couple million and touches 10's of millions ...sympathetic to the WRONG side of it for the NFL profit line.

Ignorance has a name. Today, it's the "NFL".


I don't get why it's a losing one? Does the NFL not have their own security on duty during the games that should be handing these situations? Also does the NFL not have security check points that should prevent firearms from being brought into the game? If you ask me the less guns the better in a NFL stadium. If you think these officers are going to stop going to the games because if this you are highly mistaken.

Let's not forget that America seems to be anti police at the moment so please explain why this is a good thing.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what is being done here but I see it as an off-duty officer coming to the game to watch the game. The reason I ask that is I know a few weeks ago a NFL team hired add'l off-duty officers to mix in the crowd as civilians to ensure safety of the fans. I think it was in Seattle (49ers were in town).



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 11:33 AM
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Why do off duty police need to carry their guns? They are off duty and no one in the general public knows that they are police. They need to carry their guns when off duty at a football game so they can still feel like a badass knowing that no one else in the stadium is allowed to carry a weapon but there they are with theirs. There is already security and on duty police at every game in full force. There is normally State and Local police on duty at each game.



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 11:53 AM
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Wrabbit2000

The *ONLY* reason I tolerate entering a place that prohibits my own CCW weapon is that I know these are places with cops, both on and off duty who are also carrying weapons.



Really? I can't say that whether a business does or does not allow concealed carry ever enters my mind. Ever. I mean, it doesn't matter to me. I don't carry and I'm cool with those who choose to do so, but I have never really bothered to know or care.



posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 12:01 PM
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Hawkeye.... YES Officers will stop going to games because of this. YES their families will stop going to games because of this.

We have members of law enforcement here who can support what I am saying as factual statements, not guess work. There absolutely are departments and municipalities (Texas has more than most, as I know from law enforcement I've heard this directly from, relating to the '6 Flags over Texas' dispute) that are *REQUIRED*, not kindly asked, to carry their personal weapon 24 hours a day, every day they are alive and able to, while employed by the agency or department they work for.

Another example... FBI Agents cannot, by policy get drunk. *EVER*. Why? They carry. 24/7. Always. Never without it. Never. Ever. Hence.. they cannot, by policy, drink (to excess..if at all). Ever.

This whole thing about cops carrying off duty is not like you or I carrying on a CCW. Cops do this for a living. They do this to save our butts more often than not and no.... Deputy Dog Inc. sending their security out to the stadium to stand post with NO authority outside that of any private citizen? That does not...even come close...to replacing the authority, skill and life experience represented by ONE Off-Duty Cop. (in most cases).

All the cop-hate in the world won't get me to trust some idiot on a state Guard Card over a sworn and properly trained Police Officer....on or off duty. One has nothing even remotely to compare to the other.
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posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 12:09 PM
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It crosses my mind when a deliberate effort to systematically disarm legal people, including Police Officers of all people, is being done for even criminals to see in full color. Criminals aren't generally genius material, but they are very intelligent when it comes to what directly impacts them.

A whole stadium venue...to include every concession stand with cash, for one example, sitting now with absolutely no chance of anything but the private security? That's almost too tempting an invitation to those whom law never mattered for to begin with.

This is why I care though, and the lady this is about is who testified at my Statehouse and was instrumental in making sure my state passed the right to carry CCW. This is why it matters.



That lady watched her parents executed and over 20 other people die at the hands of a gunman so casual and with so much time to literally kill, he made a game of it and took his sweet time about doing it. She had a gun in her vehicle in the parking lot. She could not, by law, have it inside with her. That massacre directly led to Texas becoming a Shall Issue state clear back in the mid 90's. (1995).

That is why I care to NOT enter a place that deliberately disarms legal carriers and even sworn officers. I may not carry every day of my life ...but I know someone in any crowd of size IS carrying if I'm not. If I know NO ONE but criminals are? I won't be there. Simple as that.
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posted on Oct, 7 2013 @ 12:12 PM
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Wrabbit2000

Another example... FBI Agents cannot, by policy get drunk. *EVER*. Why? They carry. 24/7. Always. Never without it. Never. Ever. Hence.. they cannot, by policy, drink (to excess..if at all). Ever.


The FBI does not prohibit agents from consuming alcohol during off hours. However, the FBI enforces a strict Employment Drug Policy, which forbids the use of illegal drugs, such as marijuana. With special clearance, an FBI agent may be permitted to drink alcohol while working undercover.





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