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Aphorism
reply to post by colbe
Prayer – Or how to appear pious to others. I was under the impression prayer must be kept in a closet, yet everyone does it where they can be seen.
akushla99
sk0rpi0n
colbe you come across as someone who is sincere in faith. I'm sure you are spiritually strong enough not to be bogged down by the harsh,negative comments on this thread, that too from other 'christians'. We may not agree on everything everytime, and I don't want to nit pick your post over details... but I don't see anything wrong with praying. Of course,
What is surprising is that only a small percentage of posters so far have disputed prayer/orison...the main issue (remembering that this site is not a pulpit) is the psychological dynamic, especially (but not limited to) the elements making up the thrust of the dynamic...there is a snide disbelief contained in the dynamic that (on the one hand) professes the ALMIGHTINESS of the creator, schizophrenically pitted with the insane notion that the ALMIGHTY needs any help for anything...there are MASSIVE procedural problems contained in this assumption/insanity that are never addressed by the authors of these threads, if only because the sites' main thrust is discussion...it never happens...there is scripture bombardment (which answers nothing from personal understanding - essentially just copy/pasting slabs from the little golden book).
Offence is taken where it is not directed, because the main thrust of questions is never answered...so the posts become sermons of sorts...with ATS as the pulpit...so-called christians (followers of Christ) against what is thought to be non-believers (much of this posture being taken by the christians themselves) - prompting the 'Why does everyone slag christians so much' question - that answer has been answered so often, and is so obvious, that it is waaay beyond revisiting, because we come here to discuss, not to be preached to...
A more viable question (more in line with DISCUSSION) would have been...'Why does God need our help...if He is ALMIGHTY?'
That, is the premise upon which the OP is built...and it is a confronting question, because it reveals the schizophrenic thought process involved in maintaining such a shaky position...end of times prophecy, messiah mechanisms, devil-worship by opposite-proxy are peripheral to the question that is never answered (but has spawned a convenient lie - because it hides a central premise)...
God, who is almighty...the creator of all that is seen and unseen needs help?!
The next logical question...that should be asked if this is to be believed, is...How ALMIGHTY is the God you believe in?...and specifically this question, because there are NO GRADES OF ALMIGHTINESS...
Å99edit on 7-10-2013 by akushla99 because: (no reason given)
akushla99
reply to post by colbe
The 'Important messages from God' continues to be a wholly unqualified statement that means nothing...
The 'stock' of the OP requires 2 simple questions to be answered...these questions are NEVER answered...they are central to all extraneous belief...and they are never answered because they would collapse the Jenga tower that is built with mishapen blocks...
(Not particularly directed at the author of OP)
Do you trust/believe that God is almighty?
...and if you do...
Do you believe you are at liberty to qualify the word, and its implications?
...because if you maintain the first (that is an unequivocal statement denoting MIGHTY OVER, THROUGH, WITHIN ALL)...you CANNOT entertain the second...that includes the implications presented in the OP material...that are qualifications of the concept of AMIGHTINESS, which is NOT an unequivocal belief in the ALMIGHTINESS of God. There really is no way to escape this loop, once answered, except by ignoring your belief in ALMIGHTINESS...
Å99
colbe
sk0rpi0n
colbe you come across as someone who is sincere in faith. I'm sure you are spiritually strong enough not to be bogged down by the harsh,negative comments on this thread, that too from other 'christians'. We may not agree on everything everytime, and I don't want to nit pick your post over details... but I don't see anything wrong with praying. Of course,
skOrpiOn,
You lift my spirits, thank you. I am very sad reading the responses. You all may know my story...
I was far from God most of my adult life. I didn't care. I didn't know the faith but, Mary appearing
and her message to a seer in Georgia changed my life.
Notice, reading prophecy, no one talks like that down here (the messages from Heaven). If I was changed in one day, maybe they're true, yes? God speaks to us, you only have to believe.
Daily prayer, there's so much grace given. If I am down, I was last weekend, when I pray, I feel better. Prayer is a positive, try it. Talk to God from your heart.
love,
colbe
Here's one more current prophecy given a seer who lives in New York state. His name is Ned Dougherty.
Our Lord is speaking, about prayer, same as the OP and of the prophesied Second Pentecost (worldwide this time) is very near. It is called the Great Warning.
An excerpt, ATS rules:
+ + +
www.endtimesdaily.com...
Words given to Ned Dougherty
October 1, 2013
St. John the Baptist Eucharistic Chapel, Costa Mesa, CA, at 9:00pm
Message from Jesus of Divine Mercy
My dear son,
....all of you in Humanity are going through the most important time in your history.
These are the times that have been prophesied for many ages, when the Son of Man comes to you ever so powerfully to bring about a time of change for all of humanity. So, therefore, I speak to you directly now, as I speak to all of your brothers and sisters, who are open to hearing these messages.
I speak to you now about the condition of the world in which you live. As it has been ordained by the Father in Heaven, I am the Redeemer of all of mankind, and as you see, as you hear me now, I am ever most present to you, my son, as well as I am present to all of the sons and daughters of the Father in Heaven, who are open in these times to hearing my soft, yet determined voice to reach out to all of you in these times, because you need the help of the Heavenly Realms, because of all of the sins that have been accumulating in your world.
Because of the sins of mankind, my cup runneth over, yet the world has become a dangerous place now because of sin running riot. Dark forces have been manipulating all of the peoples of the Earth in ways that are damaging to all of your lives, and I am here now as the Redeemer of the world to bring about the necessary changes to bring the Earth back into the course that was set for it by the Father in Heaven from the very beginning of creation.
You must become part of the Father’s plans for humanity, if you want the Father in Heaven through His Son to change the course of humanity for the better. The challenge to all of the inhabitants of the Earth is to recognize that you all individually and collectively have a mission in life, and that mission for each and every one of you in these End Times is to follow the course set by the Father in Heaven.
I am here as His Son to bring about the necessary changes, so that a New Heaven and A New Earth will be ushered in for all of you in the very near future. I must call upon you now to increase your prayer life and to involve your family members and loved ones, who have fallen by the wayside, and who are in pursuit of their lives without even a passing recognition of who they are and why they are here on Earth. I am asking you to remind them in these times to recognize that you are all in the End Times, and this is not a time for any of you to ignore God’s calling to save the Earth from further destruction.
As the Son of Man during my journey on Earth 2,000 years ago, I instituted the most powerful form of prayer in the Adoration and Reception of the Holy Eucharist. I call upon all of you to recognize the power of the Holy Eucharist, for it is through the Adoration and frequent Reception of the Holy Eucharist that the tide of battle against the darkness and evil in the world will be turned overwhelmingly in the direction of the good that the Father in Heaven has planned for the world.
It is also, therefore, important that all of you renew your faith by returning to the confessional to unburden yourselves of the accumulated sins, so that you can truly become powerful spiritual warriors, free from the guilt and shame, and the bondages of sin.
It is so difficult for me to convey to you the importance of prayer in these times. You are living in a world, where all of you are easily swayed by what you see and experience in your lives, giving you knowledge which is visible and detectable to you.
But you must recognize that all prayer has a powerful force and energy that may not seem visible or detectable to you, but hear me now, it is through the power of your collective prayers that the future will be changed for the better. Therefore, I ask of you to set aside your mundane plans and self-serving existence to focus on your prayer life. If you want the changes to take place for the better of humanity, you must resolutely focus on your prayers and the power of your prayers.
I promise you that the world is already changing for the better, although you may not yet see how subtly the changes are happening, but the evil one sees how the tide is turning against him now because of the Power of Prayer!
I leave you now with this Final Message:
The Great Events of the Warning and the Tribulation are soon to take place within your lifetimes. You are so close now to the great events that are going to take place that there is no time now for you to delay in preparing to do the work of the Father in Heaven. ...
Message ended at 9:34pm.
guitarplayer
colbe
sk0rpi0n
colbe you come across as someone who is sincere in faith. I'm sure you are spiritually strong enough not to be bogged down by the harsh,negative comments on this thread, that too from other 'christians'. We may not agree on everything everytime, and I don't want to nit pick your post over details... but I don't see anything wrong with praying. Of course,
skOrpiOn,
You lift my spirits, thank you. I am very sad reading the responses. You all may know my story...
I was far from God most of my adult life. I didn't care. I didn't know the faith but, Mary appearing
and her message to a seer in Georgia changed my life.
Notice, reading prophecy, no one talks like that down here (the messages from Heaven). If I was changed in one day, maybe they're true, yes? God speaks to us, you only have to believe.
Daily prayer, there's so much grace given. If I am down, I was last weekend, when I pray, I feel better. Prayer is a positive, try it. Talk to God from your heart.
love,
colbe
Here's one more current prophecy given a seer who lives in New York state. His name is Ned Dougherty.
Our Lord is speaking, about prayer, same as the OP and of the prophesied Second Pentecost (worldwide this time) is very near. It is called the Great Warning.
An excerpt, ATS rules:
+ + +
www.endtimesdaily.com...
Words given to Ned Dougherty
October 1, 2013
St. John the Baptist Eucharistic Chapel, Costa Mesa, CA, at 9:00pm
Message from Jesus of Divine Mercy
My dear son,
....all of you in Humanity are going through the most important time in your history.
These are the times that have been prophesied for many ages, when the Son of Man comes to you ever so powerfully to bring about a time of change for all of humanity. So, therefore, I speak to you directly now, as I speak to all of your brothers and sisters, who are open to hearing these messages.
I speak to you now about the condition of the world in which you live. As it has been ordained by the Father in Heaven, I am the Redeemer of all of mankind, and as you see, as you hear me now, I am ever most present to you, my son, as well as I am present to all of the sons and daughters of the Father in Heaven, who are open in these times to hearing my soft, yet determined voice to reach out to all of you in these times, because you need the help of the Heavenly Realms, because of all of the sins that have been accumulating in your world.
Because of the sins of mankind, my cup runneth over, yet the world has become a dangerous place now because of sin running riot. Dark forces have been manipulating all of the peoples of the Earth in ways that are damaging to all of your lives, and I am here now as the Redeemer of the world to bring about the necessary changes to bring the Earth back into the course that was set for it by the Father in Heaven from the very beginning of creation.
You must become part of the Father’s plans for humanity, if you want the Father in Heaven through His Son to change the course of humanity for the better. The challenge to all of the inhabitants of the Earth is to recognize that you all individually and collectively have a mission in life, and that mission for each and every one of you in these End Times is to follow the course set by the Father in Heaven.
I am here as His Son to bring about the necessary changes, so that a New Heaven and A New Earth will be ushered in for all of you in the very near future. I must call upon you now to increase your prayer life and to involve your family members and loved ones, who have fallen by the wayside, and who are in pursuit of their lives without even a passing recognition of who they are and why they are here on Earth. I am asking you to remind them in these times to recognize that you are all in the End Times, and this is not a time for any of you to ignore God’s calling to save the Earth from further destruction.
As the Son of Man during my journey on Earth 2,000 years ago, I instituted the most powerful form of prayer in the Adoration and Reception of the Holy Eucharist. I call upon all of you to recognize the power of the Holy Eucharist, for it is through the Adoration and frequent Reception of the Holy Eucharist that the tide of battle against the darkness and evil in the world will be turned overwhelmingly in the direction of the good that the Father in Heaven has planned for the world.
It is also, therefore, important that all of you renew your faith by returning to the confessional to unburden yourselves of the accumulated sins, so that you can truly become powerful spiritual warriors, free from the guilt and shame, and the bondages of sin.
It is so difficult for me to convey to you the importance of prayer in these times. You are living in a world, where all of you are easily swayed by what you see and experience in your lives, giving you knowledge which is visible and detectable to you.
But you must recognize that all prayer has a powerful force and energy that may not seem visible or detectable to you, but hear me now, it is through the power of your collective prayers that the future will be changed for the better. Therefore, I ask of you to set aside your mundane plans and self-serving existence to focus on your prayer life. If you want the changes to take place for the better of humanity, you must resolutely focus on your prayers and the power of your prayers.
I promise you that the world is already changing for the better, although you may not yet see how subtly the changes are happening, but the evil one sees how the tide is turning against him now because of the Power of Prayer!
I leave you now with this Final Message:
The Great Events of the Warning and the Tribulation are soon to take place within your lifetimes. You are so close now to the great events that are going to take place that there is no time now for you to delay in preparing to do the work of the Father in Heaven. ...
Message ended at 9:34pm.
I do not know what spirit this person is hearing from but it is not the Holy Spirit, the bible is very clear that the world will become worse and worse as time goes on and as in the days of Noah so shall the days be of the coming of the son of man. And as far as the new heavens and new earth the old one the one we live on now will be destroyed by fire and the elements will dissolve it will not be an improved earth based on this present earth. Finally nowhere in the bible are we instructed to adorn the eucharist and hold it up to worship the eucharist is an invention of the RCC.
akushla99
reply to post by colbe
"I am not sure what you mean, say it again simply to help me and others understand. I'll try to answer anyway... 1. I believe God is almighty, I trust Him, human respect isn't trustworthy because of our fallen nature. 2. If you are talking about the written Word of God, no. It is not easy to understand. God gave the authority to interpret the written Word to the Church who guided by God compiled the written Word." Quote colbe
They were very simple questions colbe...and only 2...(...and there is no mention anywhere in my posts about whether human is trustworthy)...the 1st question relates specifically to your concept of ALMIGHTINESS...your answer informs anything you say/write, and anybody who claims they believe that God is ALMIGHTY.
The answers relate directly to the OP, in that, having thus claimed that you (or anyone else) believe in the ALMIGHTINESS of God, CANNOT answer the 2nd question in the positive, without qualifying ALMIGHTINESS, which then brings into question how ALMIGHTY you (or anyone else) thinks God is...sending you back to a negative response on question 1 - that you already answered in the fullsome positive - YES, ALMIGHTINESS! - without equal, unable to be challenged, creator of the vast heavens and everything contained within and without. In answering the first question to the affirmative, there cannot be a situation where ALMIGHTY GOD COULD NEED ANY HELP WITH ANYTHING - he/she created it all, and can dissolve it in the blink of an eye.
1. Do you believe that God is ALMIGHTY?
2. If you answered yes, can you qualify this Almightiness? (Hint: your answer should be NO!)
In answering NO, you cannot then believe that an ALMIGHTY being would need help...
Å99