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The brain could be the medium between through which the "user" communicates to the body, to communicate to the external world. Tampering with the brain would only serve to tamper with the connection between the "user" and their body.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is nothing to date that scientifically supports one idea over the other. (The two ideas being 1: the user is separate from the brain and 2: the user is the brain)
This makes no sense. There's ZERO evidence that Consciousness is an emergent property of the material brain. Actually, this makes no sense but many in science start with this paradigm and they put consciousness in the prison of their belief system so to speak.
How does the material brain recall specific memories at will? How does the material brain know which specific memories I wish to recall? How does the material brain know the difference between a memory from the Army or a memory from a vacation?
I think someone earlier made the crazy statement, that you don't know the difference between memories, you just think you know. Again, these are the silly lengths people go to in order to fit consciousness into the paradigm that consciousness is an emergent property of the material brain.
At the end of the day, the human body is a machine that needs a User (Conscious Energy). It's just like the TV needs a User, your computer needs a User, the store across the street needs a User.
When I go to the store, how does the material brain know which store I want to go to? How does the material brain know the difference between the stores I want to go to?
The Human body needs a User just like any other machine
How do you know it's at will? I have random thoughts and random memories all day. The only time it's not random is when someone asks me to remember something and then I do my best to recall that info. Memory is very elusive and fuzzy. Memories morph and change over time. There are times I can't remember names or past even past events that someone else has a clear memory of.
the soul enters the body with the babies first breath and leaves with its last. I think it weighs about 21 grams.
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Ok.. I'll play.
So how do you explain the growing number of people in the world? Are you saying a massive amount of consious energy/ users is/are lined up waiting to get a body? And if so.. you still have a hard time explaining what the users are and where they come from.
There is no consious energy before the sperm and egg melt, or are you saying that each cell has it and that users are combined when melting?
If you are saying that the user enters the body when the brain is developed enough, then how does this happen? and how does an energy without a brain to reason with know where and when to enter?
Its always been ddifficult explaining souls. And that is what you have renamed in this thread. Personally I dont believe in that. You need a brain to think or reason...... So a soul is useless and not needed, therefor does not exist.
WHAT ARE YOU?
Keep in mind that everything you think how you think it and the things you do is all made up of patterns. Created by memories and experiences. So your soul is an string of events that your genetic makeup has arranged and made patterns and structures of. Thats all....edit on 7-10-2013 by br0ker because: (no reason given)
This is just funny! You can't even be honest in a conversation and this is because you're stuck in the paradigm that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain when there's zero evidence to support this notion.
You can't even be honest about memory recall. Of course you know that we can recall specific memories at will yet you act like there's nothing but random, fuzzy memories in your head. This is because in order to fit the paradigm, you can't even accept reality.
I can go on and on. In order for us to have an honest conversation about these things we first have to be able to accept the truth.
Yes, we can recall specific memories at will and there's no need to play dumb about it.
The fact is we can recall specific memories at will, know the difference between these memories and also know how we felt about these memories. This is the User interacting with the machine.
The material brain can store memories just like a computer can store information. It's the User that recalls these specific memories at will.
I gave examples of random fuzzy memories. How does that fit in with your notion? You are giving examples of memories that are not so fuzzy but how do you know if they aren't and how do you know they are called by will? Please explain without the "of course you know" rhetoric because I don't know. How do you know that those experiences actually happened? False memories do occur.
Cybernetics tells us that the human body is a machine. It's a machine that has specific functions. These functions need a User(Conscious Energy) in order for things like self awareness, self image, recall of specific memories at will and more to occur.
There are many definitions of cybernetics and many individuals who have influenced the direction of cybernetics. Cybernetics takes as its domain the design or discovery and application of principles of regulation and communication. Cybernetics treats not things but ways of behaving. It does not ask "what is this thing?" but "what does it do?" and "what can it do?" Because numerous systems in the living, social and technological world may be understood in this way, cybernetics cuts across many traditional disciplinary boundaries. The concepts which cyberneticians develop thus form a metadisciplinary language through which we may better understand and modify our world.
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Again, this whole soliloquy is nonsense. It just shows exactly what I'm saying. The last thing you want to admit is that we can recall specific memories at will because it doesn't fit your paradigm.
The material brain can't do this. The material brain doesn't know the difference between a memory from the Army or a memory from little league baseball. The User knows.
Yes, these memories are called at will.
When I want to recall a specific memory about driving to the store yesterday, I recall that specific memory at will.
When I want to recall a trip to Vegas for a Tyson fight, I recall that specific memory at will.
When I want to recall a specific memory from 6th grade graduation, I recall that specific memory at will.
It's for others who are trapped inside the paradigm that consciousness is an emergent property of the material brain to explain how the material brain knows which memories I wish to recall.
How does the material brain know the difference between these memories?
The fact is we know which part of the brain shows activity during memory recall. Just like we know which parts of the remote show activity when you're changing the channel on the TV. The body is a machine that's operated by a User. The brain stores these memories and the User can recall specific memories at will.
Of course this is a problem for those stuck in a paradigm that consciousness emerges from the material brain. This is because the material brain doesn't tell the material brain which specific memories you wish to recall. It doesn't know but it has the machinery to recall these specific memories when the User wants a specific memory recalled.
Of course you need 1 of two things. A convoluted explanation, which there isn't one or you just play dumb as evidenced by your post.