Do We Live in a Proto-Theocracy? - Worshipping the State: How Liberalism Became Our State Religion

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Thank you for that read on "10 Sublime Wonders...". It is that type of ideas and information that I was looking for when I came across ATS. I am older and was raised a certain way but I could never be that person everyone wanted me to be, now I know because it was not me. I feel just like that article expressed about science and nature, but I was raised by people still living in the middle ages with tunnel vision.

MOMof3
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Thank you for that read on "10 Sublime Wonders...". It is that type of ideas and information that I was looking for when I came across ATS. I am older and was raised a certain way but I could never be that person everyone wanted me to be, now I know because it was not me. I feel just like that article expressed about science and nature, but I was raised by people still living in the middle ages with tunnel vision.

I too am humbled by the awe inspiring wonders of the universe and the sheer statistical unlikelihood of our very existence.

I find it difficult to differentiate that feeling from any religious faith. The question is, do we want to keep religion and state policy separate or have we found the new 'true' religion which abrogates that formerly universal concept to the intellectual garbage pail of history?

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The difference that I see in science and religions is: science does not hate or discriminate.

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Yup the left worship the big government state, which is controlled by wallstreet. So we need to come up with another world for that. How about the left worships corporatism?

MOMof3
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The difference that I see in science and religions is: science does not hate or discriminate.

You might want to reevaluate that assumption, I do not think that is true.

Even if that were true, there are also religions that don't hate or discriminate, would you want them to be intertwined with government?

You are essentially saying that we have found the one 'true' religion and that is OK for it to be wed with government. I did not expect that point of view to be upheld so thanks for giving voice to it.

When I talk to people about religion vs science I find that many do not really know what constitutes science.

The scientific method requires an hypothesis which is falsifiable. Any hypothesis which is not falsifiable is by definition pseudo-science (like religion). If you apply that boolean standard as a qualifier to the legitimacy of a law, most sociological policies quickly reveal themselves to be articles of faith rather than laws of nature or even consistently observable patterns of behavior.

The spurious conflation of science with liberalism is the issue here and as a result socialism has become the de facto guiding principle for public policy. Not logic and reason which was and is supposed to be the basis for state policy. Furthermore, logic and reason dictate the resistance to state policy, not the expansion of it.

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I admit that I have a bias against organized religion. I was born and raised in a multi generation Southern Baptist culture in 1951. I tried many different christian religions since, and came up with the same conclusion. When I was nine I accepted Jesus Christ as my Saviour and was baptized. I really believed the message Jesus preached, especially loved the Beatitudes, and I really tried to apply that teaching to my life. Then in the 1980's, it seemed the message began to change in the churches that I went to and I did not feel at home anymore.

I still believe in the teachings of Jesus, but I am not a fool anymore and know real people cannot be His sort of kindness and love.

Science has never filled me with false hopes and false realities.

MOMof3
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I admit that I have a bias against organized religion. I was born and raised in a multi generation Southern Baptist culture in 1951. I tried many different christian religions since, and came up with the same conclusion. When I was nine I accepted Jesus Christ as my Saviour and was baptized. I really believed the message Jesus preached, especially loved the Beatitudes, and I really tried to apply that teaching to my life. Then in the 1980's, it seemed the message began to change in the churches that I went to and I did not feel at home anymore.

I still believe in the teachings of Jesus, but I am not a fool anymore and know real people cannot be His sort of kindness and love.

Science has never filled me with false hopes and false realities.

I think that is a reasonable position that I share, I just mean to draw attention to the parallels between the articles of faith contained in religion and liberalism and to remind everyone that neither should guide public policy.

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So what do we rely on to guide policy if not facts that bear a reason to act or not act and compassionate reasoning to create our laws? How about we temper both and make reasonable laws to follow that are both moral and standard. This seems to be the current problem with our system of government, tipping side to side like a poorly designed cruise ship, when a raft would be sufficient.