reply to post by MaxSteiner
, immigrants are cowards. They would rather run and work somewhere else so they don't need to face the problems their own country faces.
It's easy to just "let it slide" when you know your family is being fed. I can guarantee you that should the money in the U.S. dry up for them, that
they'd be more volatile in their own nation. Something that is desperately needed to force change. All that's happening is a very few work hard,
send that money to their family while the rest of the country is suffering.
Secondly, why do you think America was the first to industrialize? Do you think we would have had the same success should the British kept control?
If we did, England would be reaping the rewards, not those who shed their blood and sweat to get it and the American people would probably not have
had a much better life than those in Mexico. **Edit** My point with this is that you have to fight and work hard to make a better country for not
only yourselves, but for your countrymen. Mexico (and other countries) need to face their own version of the "red coats" and fight to make their home
a place worth living.
But we're not discussing America here now are we? At least your thread starts out discussing dead refugees off the coast of Italy, in Europe. It's a
totally different scene in Europe than in the United States and a wider "reason" why they immigrate. For example, in Norway they immigrate because of
the rather lush benefits they receive. Like free (as in paid by the hard working Norwegian tax payers) money, housing, cars and drivers license that
is so expensive not many Norwegians can afford it. (We're talking over 5000 dollars US for a regular drivers license). In fact, many immigrants are
living better than the Norwegians.
They know this, so they come to Norway legally and become illegal immigrants as they destroy their passport. Norway cannot throw out any immigrants
until they're processed. And that becomes so much more difficult when they refuse to tell you where they come from and who they are. So they're
"stuck" in Norway with free health care, money for food and clothing, free housing and as mentioned above, free licenses. How they're a "credit" to
anyone is beyond me.
But let's talk about the crime illegal immigrants, heck, even legal immigrants bring into both the Americas and Europe. I shared a personal story
about my uncle who was side swiped by a truck driving far above the speed limit. It crushed his hips. Needless to say, he's no longer walking. What
I didn't feel pertinent to the discussion was revealing exactly who
was driving. But I'll reveal that now, it was an illegal immigrant from
Mexico who had neither insurance or a license.
And the bare bones, "bottom of the matter" truth is if America would have done the right thing in the beginning by ensuring American borders my uncle
would still be walking today. But alas, he's not and lives in constant pain despite taking a plethora of pretty little pills like valium and plenty
In Europe, there's a crime spree going on. Primarily rapes and murders. Not too long ago in Sweden, a sixteen year old girl was raped by six
non-western immigrants. Locally, a woman in her eighties was beaten, robbed, and raped by an African man. Than you have a man from Afghanistan in
Oslo who beats up young girls/women to rob them. He cut one such girl on the mouth, much like the Joker scar. (Glasgow smile.)
The crime rates for each year in Norway and surrounding countries are rising. And you have to understand, these Scandinavian countries could compare
to a 50's suburbia where crime was virtually non-existent. Not saying crime didn't happen, just very few and far between and would be head line news
for weeks if not months. Unlike now, where it's not even mentioned.
More than often, news papers will leave out the ethnicity of the criminals. Like my friend who was robbed at knife point by two African immigrants on
his way to town. The newspaper only mentioned "A man in his late 20's robbed by knife point". They do this because I can guarantee you that if
Norwegians truly knew just how much crime immigration brought, they'd be crying out for politicians blood.
Same within the United States. But it's felt more in Europe because Europe can be compared to a small pond. Throw a rock in a small pond and the
ripples seem bigger. America, like a vast ocean will hardly ripple when you throw a rock in it.
If American's knew, there would be hell to pay.
edit on 6-10-2013 by Auricom because: See **Edit**